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No shock here, glad she set the record straight for the armchair would be developers making this sound more negative then normal
Senior Producer on the project has replied to all the CONCERN ™
Memba when Spencer said Starfield wasn't delayed. Or Halo will launch feature complete and not be delayed. Or that Hellblade wasn't CGI...
I memba
We've seen these threads before and they always end the same way. One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions. The other side puts their fingers in their ears and say "Nah nah nah I can't hear you, this is all concern and random and pinch of salt nah nah nah"
Halo: Infinite
Hellblade 2
- Showed a trailer in 2019 that was meant to be in game. It wasn't
- Game gets delayed a year
- Game launches feature light
- Game has missing features to this day
Starfield
- Trailer is CGI. Microsoft said it was in game
- Trailer turns out to be CGI
- Microsoft said Hellblade was in production, using UE5, which wasn't even out
- Game didn't enter production until 12 months after Microsoft said it was
Redfall
- Microsoft stated it would release on time, even doubling down on the release date
- Shows a lack of footage and instead releases artwork
- Community says it will be delayed. Microsoft say "no"
- Game get delayed
Forza 5
- Little information about the game
- Microsoft said it will release on time
- Microsoft said the game is now delayed
Now? Rumors of fable being delayed with piss-poor excuses of lack of experience - which is objectively false, and the 'fans' and community state the game isn't being delayed?
- Was supposed to launch with RT and 60fps
- Game launches with RT in photo mode and garage
- Only runs at 30fps.
When are people going to seriously ask what the hell is going on with the xbox division? Even the terrible reveal of the xbone, and the xbone itself, doesn't compare to how shitty the division is now and I'm an xbox fan of 20+ years. You can enjoy a football team, but still hate the direction the management is taking it (See Manchester United in the UK for example).
Phil Spencer needs to be replaced. Turning away Marvel, Letting insomniac go, mismanagement of Halo, Hellblade, Forza, Starfield and now Fable, show's he has no clue about the industry. The Xbox Series is his first console launch and he has nothing to show for it. And if anyone thinks it's acceptable to hand-wave away the failures because "publisher of the year", then give your head a wobble, because you're being bamboozled.
There's no shame in wanting better.
You didn't think this post through did you lol?We've seen these threads before and they always end the same way. One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions. The other side puts their fingers in their ears and say "Nah nah nah I can't hear you, this is all concern and random and pinch of salt nah nah nah"
Halo: Infinite
Hellblade 2
- Showed a trailer in 2019 that was meant to be in game. It wasn't
- Game gets delayed a year
- Game launches feature light
- Game has missing features to this day
Starfield
- Trailer is CGI. Microsoft said it was in game
- Trailer turns out to be CGI
- Microsoft said Hellblade was in production, using UE5, which wasn't even out
- Game didn't enter production until 12 months after Microsoft said it was
Redfall
- Microsoft stated it would release on time, even doubling down on the release date
- Shows a lack of footage and instead releases artwork
- Community says it will be delayed. Microsoft say "no"
- Game get delayed
Forza 5
- Little information about the game
- Microsoft said it will release on time
- Microsoft said the game is now delayed
Now? Rumors of fable being delayed with piss-poor excuses of lack of experience - which is objectively false, and the 'fans' and community state the game isn't being delayed?
- Was supposed to launch with RT and 60fps
- Game launches with RT in photo mode and garage
- Only runs at 30fps.
When are people going to seriously ask what the hell is going on with the xbox division? Even the terrible reveal of the xbone, and the xbone itself, doesn't compare to how shitty the division is now and I'm an xbox fan of 20+ years. You can enjoy a football team, but still hate the direction the management is taking it (See Manchester United in the UK for example).
Phil Spencer needs to be replaced. Turning away Marvel, Letting insomniac go, mismanagement of Halo, Hellblade, Forza, Starfield and now Fable, show's he has no clue about the industry. The Xbox Series is his first console launch and he has nothing to show for it. And if anyone thinks it's acceptable to hand-wave away the failures because "publisher of the year", then give your head a wobble, because you're being bamboozled.
There's no shame in wanting better.
You didn't think this post through did you lol?
We've seen these threads before and they always end the same way. One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions. The other side puts their fingers in their ears and say "Nah nah nah I can't hear you, this is all concern and random and pinch of salt nah nah nah"
Halo: Infinite
Hellblade 2
- Showed a trailer in 2019 that was meant to be in game. It wasn't
- Game gets delayed a year
- Game launches feature light
- Game has missing features to this day
Starfield
- Trailer is CGI. Microsoft said it was in game
- Trailer turns out to be CGI
- Microsoft said Hellblade was in production, using UE5, which wasn't even out
- Game didn't enter production until 12 months after Microsoft said it was
Redfall
- Microsoft stated it would release on time, even doubling down on the release date
- Shows a lack of footage and instead releases artwork
- Community says it will be delayed. Microsoft say "no"
- Game get delayed
Forza 5
- Little information about the game
- Microsoft said it will release on time
- Microsoft said the game is now delayed
Now? Rumors of fable being delayed with piss-poor excuses of lack of experience - which is objectively false, and the 'fans' and community state the game isn't being delayed?
- Was supposed to launch with RT and 60fps
- Game launches with RT in photo mode and garage
- Only runs at 30fps.
When are people going to seriously ask what the hell is going on with the xbox division? Even the terrible reveal of the xbone, and the xbone itself, doesn't compare to how shitty the division is now and I'm an xbox fan of 20+ years. You can enjoy a football team, but still hate the direction the management is taking it (See Manchester United in the UK for example).
Phil Spencer needs to be replaced. Turning away Marvel, Letting insomniac go, mismanagement of Halo, Hellblade, Forza, Starfield and now Fable, show's he has no clue about the industry. The Xbox Series is his first console launch and he has nothing to show for it. And if anyone thinks it's acceptable to hand-wave away the failures because "publisher of the year", then give your head a wobble, because you're being bamboozled.
There's no shame in wanting better.
You're having a laugh, right? We had a thread not long ago discussing how starfield was going to be delayed, before the official announcement that it was delayed. Go back and read that thread.Where did he say all of that ?
Good contribution to the discussion of games on a gaming forum.You didn't think this post through did you lol?
Every thread you deflect and put your fingers in your ears. If you're not going to contribute then to the discussion then don't respond.
No shock here, glad she set the record straight for the armchair would be developers making this sound more negative then normal
You're having a laugh, right? We had a thread not long ago discussing how starfield was going to be delayed, before the official announcement that it was delayed. Go back and read that thread
I won my gold!You're having a laugh, right? We had a thread not long ago discussing how starfield was going to be delayed, before the official announcement that it was delayed. Go back and read that thread.
Good contribution to the discussion of games on a gaming forum.
Every thread you deflect and put your fingers in your ears. If you're not going to contribute then to the discussion then don't respond.
Ironic that both of you will pay for gold to support this website, then bring down the reputation of the site by posting lazy 'edgy' images and gifs instead of engaging. Good job.
You seriously want me to respond to this? So that when I show you the quotes you go "nuh uh, you said he said it wasn't CGI when aclkshually he said "it was in game footage""?Where did Phil Spencer say Starfield won't get delayed, or Hellblade was CGI, or Halo will launch 'feature complete' ?
True, but they still are just a racing dev, even if they are the best in what they do it is not crazy to imagine they will have a hard time to transition to a real game with a universe, story, characters, dialogues, motion capture, quests, sidequests, gameplay mechanics, etc.
We don't know nothing about the game and we already have an Xbox Ambassador spilling the beans and a senior producer doing damage control. This is not normal.
That's not true. Sometimes I actually post slightly seriously.Every thread you deflect and put your fingers in your ears. If you're not going to contribute then to the discussion then don't respond.
One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions.
We've seen these threads before and they always end the same way. One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions. The other side puts their fingers in their ears and say "Nah nah nah I can't hear you, this is all concern and random and pinch of salt nah nah nah"
Halo: Infinite
Hellblade 2
- Showed a trailer in 2019 that was meant to be in game. It wasn't
- Game gets delayed a year
- Game launches feature light
- Game has missing features to this day
Starfield
- Trailer is CGI. Microsoft said it was in game
- Trailer turns out to be CGI
- Microsoft said Hellblade was in production, using UE5, which wasn't even out
- Game didn't enter production until 12 months after Microsoft said it was
Redfall
- Microsoft stated it would release on time, even doubling down on the release date
- Shows a lack of footage and instead releases artwork
- Community says it will be delayed. Microsoft say "no"
- Game get delayed
Forza 5
- Little information about the game
- Microsoft said it will release on time
- Microsoft said the game is now delayed
Now? Rumors of fable being delayed with piss-poor excuses of lack of experience - which is objectively false, and the 'fans' and community state the game isn't being delayed?
- Was supposed to launch with RT and 60fps
- Game launches with RT in photo mode and garage
- Only runs at 30fps.
When are people going to seriously ask what the hell is going on with the xbox division? Even the terrible reveal of the xbone, and the xbone itself, doesn't compare to how shitty the division is now and I'm an xbox fan of 20+ years. You can enjoy a football team, but still hate the direction the management is taking it (See Manchester United in the UK for example).
Phil Spencer needs to be replaced. Turning away Marvel, Letting insomniac go, mismanagement of Halo, Hellblade, Forza, Starfield and now Fable, show's he has no clue about the industry. The Xbox Series is his first console launch and he has nothing to show for it. And if anyone thinks it's acceptable to hand-wave away the failures because "publisher of the year", then give your head a wobble, because you're being bamboozled.
There's no shame in wanting better.
Forza Horizon 5 runs at 30 fps? And when did they say it would be 60 fps RT? Never happened.We've seen these threads before and they always end the same way. One side looks at the evidence, facts and data and draw logical conclusions. The other side puts their fingers in their ears and say "Nah nah nah I can't hear you, this is all concern and random and pinch of salt nah nah nah"
Halo: Infinite
Hellblade 2
- Showed a trailer in 2019 that was meant to be in game. It wasn't
- Game gets delayed a year
- Game launches feature light
- Game has missing features to this day
Starfield
- Trailer is CGI. Microsoft said it was in game
- Trailer turns out to be CGI
- Microsoft said Hellblade was in production, using UE5, which wasn't even out
- Game didn't enter production until 12 months after Microsoft said it was
Redfall
- Microsoft stated it would release on time, even doubling down on the release date
- Shows a lack of footage and instead releases artwork
- Community says it will be delayed. Microsoft say "no"
- Game get delayed
Forza 5
- Little information about the game
- Microsoft said it will release on time
- Microsoft said the game is now delayed
Now? Rumors of fable being delayed with piss-poor excuses of lack of experience - which is objectively false, and the 'fans' and community state the game isn't being delayed?
- Was supposed to launch with RT and 60fps
- Game launches with RT in photo mode and garage
- Only runs at 30fps.
When are people going to seriously ask what the hell is going on with the xbox division? Even the terrible reveal of the xbone, and the xbone itself, doesn't compare to how shitty the division is now and I'm an xbox fan of 20+ years. You can enjoy a football team, but still hate the direction the management is taking it (See Manchester United in the UK for example).
Phil Spencer needs to be replaced. Turning away Marvel, Letting insomniac go, mismanagement of Halo, Hellblade, Forza, Starfield and now Fable, show's he has no clue about the industry. The Xbox Series is his first console launch and he has nothing to show for it. And if anyone thinks it's acceptable to hand-wave away the failures because "publisher of the year", then give your head a wobble, because you're being bamboozled.
There's no shame in wanting better.
At this point, there’s no way you haven’t seen the multiple posts showing the experienced hires they’ve made since they game was greenlit. Multiple industry veterans!
Spouting the ‘they only have racing experience’ line is misinformation.
Here’s the description for Xbox Ambassadors
Can you show me where it says ‘Xbox Ambassadors’ will have any access to insider knowledge?
Imagine stacking up a random YouTuber to an actual Senior Producer working in Playground…or even the interview with the Spanish dev last month where development was described in positive terms.
Personally my biggest issue with Halo is that they were so close to making such a good Halo game and fell short at the hurdle. I can't help but wonder 'what if', if Spencer had taken more of a hands-on role or pushed 343i more. But after a 12 months delay, the craig incident and the abysmal roll out of missing features, I find it hard to give 343i or Spencer, any more lee-way on excuses.That's not true. Sometimes I actually post slightly seriously.
I just think it was obvious your post was a giant wall of only the most negative things you could think of, and didn't come off as balanced.
- It's fine to criticize Halo for it's content roll-out and missing features. But it's also fair to note that it reviewed well, is generally extremely fun to play. Everyone has known 343 has issues for a while now. I don't see many people denying that. Compared to some of their previous issues, they at least seem to have gotten the core gameplay right, which is pretty important.
True, and i was being overly-critical of Forza to show the poor messaging from Xbox. FWIW Playground games are one of the best studios in the industry and have consistently knocked it out of the park. Horizon 2 on the X1X is probably the best looking game of last generation.
- Forza missing ray tracing is just not that big a deal when Gran Turismo is as well, and ray tracing basically doesn't even hardly exist on current gen consoles outside of a few Insomniac games where I barely notice it. That is my actual opinion. Ray tracing is just not something I expect to see at all this entire gen in any meaningful way. And Forza runs at 60fps, even performing well on last gen consoles.
I'll put money on Hellblade making an appearence at the microsoft event, which i believe is going to be the best event they have done in years. However, the messaging was terrible. Spencer should have been honest with the slow progress, everyone would have understood why the progress was slow. But to show a cgi trailer, lie about it, then say it's in production when it isn't, is just bizarre. It makes me wonder if Spencer/the xbox team should get a new PR firm.
- Hellblade 2, I don't know what the huge issue is here either. The game is coming along slowly. They haven't delayed or announced a release date. It looks good visually. My main issue is just waiting to see what the actual gameplay looks like. You mention Unreal 5 barely being ready, and on that point I agree - it sucks. I've criticized the slow rollout of Unreal 5 relative to the launch of this gen on multiple occasions. Maybe it was a dumb decision of MS to invest in it this early. I guess we'll see. Seems like more of a mistake on Epic's part honestly, and MS is paying the price for betting on Unreal with Ninja Theory and the Coalition. Hopefully they can eventually see some benefit from that, but I don't know if I'm actually mad at MS for working on Unreal 5. I think lots of people are.
Same here.
- Redfall. Looks like shit, not my type of game. I have zero interest in it. Your criticism on that is fine. The rollout of this so far has been a joke. I don't know anyone that genuinely defends Redfall.
I didn't mention Perfect Dark because I honestly believe this will be a major hit. They shouldn't have hyped it or even picked Perfect Dark as a series to resurrect, but i believe it will be a good game. One of those kind of hits that's hyped up for all the wrong reasons, but knocks it out of the park for all of the right reasons.
- Perfect Dark: You didn't even mention this one. The reports on this one seem fairly corroborated, so that is a huge black eye for MS management ability.
That's fair feedback. I have said in the past that Flight Simulator is the best looking game right now, and for Microsoft to launch that kind of Niche game in the modern gaming environment is brilliant. It's like a love-letter from the past.That's pretty much the full extent of the issues that we know of. They still have like another 20 studios we don't really know about their plans yet.
When I read through that whole list, the only main thing sticking out to me is that Halo has some issues, and the Initiative rumors. I genuinely think most everything else as far as we can tell - is mostly fine. You also didn't mention Flight Simulator, or Psychonauts 2, so we might as well throw in a compliment when they do something well.
RIP E3. Microsoft will drop some big announcements this time around. Call me optimistic, but i can see 1 or 2 secret announcements of games that will drop this year.And after this exhaustive recounting of shit everyone already knows, this is exactly why I usually just throw out some jokes. Because nothing here is new or interesting. E3 is in 2 weeks, and we'll know some more then.
You're right. Another thread about a vague rumor, until it turns out to be true, like the other threads about vague rumors.What evidence? This is another thread about a vague rumour that descends into the usual "something something bad management something something development hell something something should have used Unreal 5" armchair dev bullshit.
Which parts aren't false BS?The bulk of this is false BS
Why would you lie because of video games?
Surejan.gifForza Horizon 5 runs at 30 fps? And when did they say it would be 60 fps RT? Never happened.
Except those other companies rarely double-down on the release date and say it's definately on time, only to delay it less than a month later.And games are always supposed to release on time until they are delayed. That’s the whole idea of a delay and there have been quite a few of them outside of MS first party.
I don't think thats necessary is it?Extremely retarded take even by Spencer hater standards.
You seriously want me to respond to this? So that when I show you the quotes you go "nuh uh, you said he said it wasn't CGI when aclkshually he said "it was in game footage""?
Memba when you just made stuff up for no good reason? I do because it happened not even a hour ago.Memba when Spencer said Starfield wasn't delayed. Or Halo will launch feature complete and not be delayed. Or that Hellblade wasn't CGI...
I memba
Which points was I right about?Yes, I seriously want you to respond to this.
Since you brought it up as direct quotes from Spencer.
So, respond.
You were dead wrong in most of the points you made in your grand masterpiece.
What did I say in my previous reply to you? That I know the disingenuous debate schtick, and here you are. "redfall never said anything beyond summer 2022". Remind me what year it is launching now?Forza Horizon 5 runs at 60 FPS. They never said in game RT.
Epic have said the first Hellblade trailer was running real time using UE5.
Redfall never had a release date beyond "Summer 2022"
Halo's 2019 trailer was content that's in the game. You are probably talking about the 2018 slip space engine trailer, which was never said to be a representative of the game, just an engine show case.
Threats? Very mature of you. However, I won't reply in future as no good debate will come from Me or You on this topic and it will tip-toe towards the line of console warring and slap fights. We've laid out our thoughts and others can decide who to agree/disagree with.so ......
respond or shut up, I guess ?
If your memory was more than an hour long, you would remember the Halo and Starfield threads, Mr Goldfish.Memba when you just made stuff up for no good reason? I do because it happened not even a hour ago.
Threats? Very mature of you. However, I won't reply in future as no good debate will come from Me or You on this topic and it will tip-toe towards the line of console warring and slap fights. We've laid out our thoughts and others can decide who to agree/disagree with.
You got any receipts for those Phil Spencer quotes?If your memory was more than an hour long, you would remember the Halo and Starfield threads, Mr Goldfish.
ThisLater than expected?
AAA games now normally need 5+ years to be produced. So I don't really expect a fable game before 2024.
You're right. Another thread about a vague rumor, until it turns out to be true, like the other threads about vague rumors.
You'd be 100% correct if it wasn't for the direction that other games have taken. This is less about Fable - As playground have never put a foot wrong, and more about mounting evidence that studios are not getting the correct resources; be it people, money, management, that they need in order to acheive excellence.So your fact-driven evidence-based approach involves just believing every vague rumour you hear?
I mean what is this thread even about? We know nothing about the game. We've seen nothing about the game. How can anyone draw any conclusions? Every major game goes through development challenges and is "scoped" from its original conception. There's no evidence that Fable is having any more challenges than any other game.
This idea that people have that every successful games can just goes from conception to release all perfect and fully formed, with no difficulty or challenges during development is just nonsense.
There's been more unbelievable rumors and leaks that happenned to be true...Not saying this one is or isn't but man nothing can top the Halo reach (I think it was reach) gameplay played on a CRT in a barn....I haven't seen anything crazier but true.So your fact-driven evidence-based approach involves just believing every vague rumour you hear?
I mean what is this thread even about? We know nothing about the game. We've seen nothing about the game. How can anyone draw any conclusions? Every major game goes through development challenges and is "scoped" from its original conception. There's no evidence that Fable is having any more challenges than any other game.
This idea that people have that every successful games can just goes from conception to release all perfect and fully formed, with no difficulty or challenges during development is just nonsense.
At this point, there’s no way you haven’t seen the multiple posts showing the experienced hires they’ve made since they game was greenlit. Multiple industry veterans!
Spouting the ‘they only have racing experience’ line is misinformation.
Here’s the description for Xbox Ambassadors
Can you show me where it says ‘Xbox Ambassadors’ will have any access to insider knowledge?
Imagine stacking up a random YouTuber to an actual Senior Producer working in Playground…or even the interview with the Spanish dev last month where development was described in positive terms.
Still waiting for a confirmation Forza Horizon 5 runs at 30 fps. Must be my eyes because I play the game basically every other day and it runs at 60 fps.You're right. Another thread about a vague rumor, until it turns out to be true, like the other threads about vague rumors.
Which parts aren't false BS?
Surejan.gif
Except those other companies rarely double-down on the release date and say it's definately on time, only to delay it less than a month later.
I don't think thats necessary is it?
Sure, but these people are used to tools they don't have access to anymore. Assets and planning can be perfect and it can still be coming together with duck tape or not at all.At this point, there’s no way you haven’t seen the multiple posts showing the experienced hires they’ve made since they game was greenlit. Multiple industry veterans!
Spouting the ‘they only have racing experience’ line is misinformation.
Every game has a long long list of cut content because the final product is never as ambitious as the idea. But regardless it’s good to go into an unreleased product cautious. I’m excited for fable but I’m not expecting a ground breaking game. Fable 2 with great graphics a decent story and a beautiful open world is the my current expectation. Anything more is adding to that.I don’t know anything about video game development but I worked in both film and advertising industries and it is a usual practice. You set up some goals but during prep and development find out there is bloat and other useless waste of resources so you tighten it up. And scaling down always works in the project’s favour. Nothingburger.
Senior Producer on the project has replied to all the CONCERN ™
Very dumb and ignorant statement lil Jimmy.I said it before, but giving a full RPG game to a studio who only made racers before was never a smart move. There's absolutely no reason to expect them to able to deliver a great RPG, especially based on the "writing" in Forza. I have no idea why they ever greenlit this project using this studio.
and more about mounting evidence that studios are not getting the correct resources; be it people, money, management, that they need in order to acheive excellence.
And that responsibility starts and stops at the top.
You got any receipts for those Phil Spencer quotes?
Biggest problem in the industry imo. Movie making industry as well. Results in everything being very mediocre to bad, which if you have been paying attention, is pretty much all we get from western game and entertainment creators anymore.Hire by merit, not gender or skin color.
Really shows the sad state of homogenization today. Everyone is worried that some well funded devs with a nearly spotless track record are making a game in a different genre.Not to discredit Playground or anything, but were they the best choice for Fable?
Some use Guerrilla as a good example, but Killzone and Horizon are still within the same action genre, although completely different.
But Fable and Forza? That would require a huge change not only in mechanics but also in programing, world and level design, quest design etc. etc.
Really shows the sad state of homogenization today. Everyone is worried that some well funded devs with a nearly spotless track record are making a game in a different genre.
Apparently playground put on a PowerPoint presentation and convinced Phil it was a good idea.Not to discredit Playground or anything, but were they the best choice for Fable?
Some use Guerrilla as a good example, but Killzone and Horizon are still within the same action genre, although completely different.
But Fable and Forza? That would require a huge change not only in mechanics but also in programing, world and level design, quest design etc. etc.
You'd be 100% correct if it wasn't for the direction that other games have taken. This is less about Fable - As playground have never put a foot wrong, and more about mounting evidence that studios are not getting the correct resources; be it people, money, management, that they need in order to acheive excellence.
And that responsibility starts and stops at the top.
Not to discredit Playground or anything, but were they the best choice for Fable?
Some use Guerrilla as a good example, but Killzone and Horizon are still within the same action genre, although completely different.
But Fable and Forza? That would require a huge change not only in mechanics but also in programing, world and level design, quest design etc. etc.