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[funkygunther]

Biden states he will blow up a pipeline and now a pipeline is blown up. That's all i am saying.

that's obviously not what he said, but did you remember that video from February or was it linked to you from somewhere else?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

NATO is talking too much , blowing up the gas pipe lines is clearly an escalation from Russia in international water. Basically they now declared war.

Declared war against whom? As you said, it's international waters (right outside of Denmark's maritime boundary), which means it's not an act of war.

 

[Thaedolus]

Biden states he will blow up a pipeline and now a pipeline is blown up. That's all i am saying.

Now you’re just making shit up. He didn’t say anything like that. You posted the video yourself where he said nothing of the sort. You’re playing right into the hands of the disinfo/conspiracy people.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Biden states he will blow up a pipeline and now a pipeline is blown up. That's all i am saying. We will see who did it at the end and if anything comes from it. I just state not a good look for the US.

Like if u don't want to be targeted for a crime u didn't commit, maybe not tell people before it happens u are the one that will do exactly that. 200 IQ strat.

You cannot actually be serious and think that the US did this.


I would like to think I know you well enough by now to know you are not that ridiculous.

 

[Wildebeest]

Russians blew up their own pipeline in a desperate attempt to restart the engine of their strategy of hybrid propaganda war, making it so nobody knows what is going on, and they don't trust anything. At this point it is pointless as every fool and their dog knows their game and doesn't doubt that they are the villains. They started an illegal war with no provocation, are committing horrible war crimes against civilians on the daily. All they have to do is stop nonsense actions like blowing up their own infrastructure and pull out their troops, all the way, including Crimea.

 

[drganon]

Calm down there guys.

Let me show you the best motivational speech you will hear today.

Well I don't know about you guys, but that would just fill me up to the gills in confidence about the mission and my superiors.

 

[winjer]

Russians blew up their own pipeline in a desperate attempt to restart the engine of their strategy of hybrid propaganda war, making it so nobody knows what is going on, and they don't trust anything. At this point it is pointless as every fool and their dog knows their game and doesn't doubt that they are the villains. They started an illegal war with no provocation, are committing horrible war crimes against civilians on the daily. All they have to do is stop nonsense actions like blowing up their own infrastructure and pull out their troops, all the way, including Crimea.

Exactly. Russia has done so many "false flag" operations, it has become the default for their army.

 

[RJMacready73]

Are there acutal morons on here think that the US took out that pipeline? like actual breathing humans?..

 

[Whitecrow]

Yep, personally I'm sure Russia blow it up. Self-sabotaging to cause distrust is a common thing in war.

 

[Chittagong]

Are there acutal morons on here think that the US took out that pipeline? like actual breathing humans?..

It's not a particularly controversial opinion for a couple of reasons:

1. US has consistently opposed the Nord Stream project
2. Blocking Russian gas has opened a huge new market for US gas suppliers
3. Europe has overnight become by far the biggest market for US LNG, representing 65% of its exports

That said, there are many cases for Russia to attack its own gas pipeline.

1. Distract attention away from the sham referendums and annexation
2. Sow discontent in Europe
3. Hike LNG prices to pay for the war. LNG prices had fallen back to last year level, but are now soaring again.

On the balance, seeing the LNG price effect, I am now leaning towards Russia since hiking energy prices has been a big driver of this whole conflict.

 

[Odinnii]

Are there acutal morons on here think that the US took out that pipeline? like actual breathing humans?..

No it makes sense that Russia blew up their own pipeline that they spent billions on.

 

[winjer]

No it makes sense that Russia blew up their own pipeline that they spent billions on.

Considering that Russia is blowing up it's own army in this invasion, sending it's soldiers with little to no training and no equipment to battle, getting it's equipment destroyed or captured by Ukraine, and destroyed their on economy in pursuit of a war, it is not far fetched that they would destroy their own pipeline to try to hurt the EU.
And you can be sure that when Ukraine gets into Crimea, Russia is going to destroy all the infrastructure they build, including the Crimean Bridge that connects to Russia.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

 

[FunkMiller]

No it makes sense that Russia blew up their own pipeline that they spent billions on.

Why, it's almost as if the reason to blow the pipeline up is to sow the exact kind of discord that we're seeing from the usual suspects right now.

Of course it was the fucking Russians.

Their playbook for decades has been to try and drive wedges between the western alliance.

I honestly can't believe people are still dumb enough to fall for their obvious, unsubtle, bullshit strategy.

 

[Nikodemos]

People tend to keep forgetting, time and time again, that for Putin money has no value whatsoever, as long as it's not located in one of his own accounts.
Also, an asset that is no longer operational ceases to be an asset; it becomes a liability instead.

 

[Ironbunny]

The intelligence people here in northern Europe tend to think that the blowing up of pipes by ruZZia will be used as an excuse to move their fleet into the shipping lanes. That way they can disrupt the whole sea area where the pipe is layed with a false reason of protecting the pipeline.

Edit: ruZZian media now accuses US for the it.

 

[M1chl]

 

[ape2man]

The intelligence people here in northern Europe tend to think that the blowing up of pipes by ruZZia will be used as an excuse to move their fleet into the shipping lanes. That way they can disrupt the whole sea area where the pipe is layed with a false reason of protecting the pipeline.

Edit: ruZZian media now accuses US for the it.

The fucker really wants a war .... he really wants to end it.

 

[Fenix34]

Mordor will be close their borders?

 

[Lunarorbit]

Biden states he will blow up a pipeline and now a pipeline is blown up. That's all i am saying. We will see who did it at the end and if anything comes from it. I just state not a good look for the US.

Like if u don't want to be targeted for a crime u didn't commit, maybe not tell people before it happens u are the one that will do exactly that. 200 IQ strat.

Really? This is ridiculous. The Cia warned the EU that the pipeline would be targeted back in June. Let's give Ukraine billions in support and then fuck over our allies and friends in Europe by fucking with their heating supply
Get outta here with this bullshit.

 

[Odinnii]

Why, it's almost as if the reason to blow the pipeline up is to sow the exact kind of discord that we're seeing from the usual suspects right now.

Of course it was the fucking Russians.

They're playbook for decades has been to try and drive wedges between the western alliance.

I honestly can't believe people are still dumb enough to fall for their obvious, unsubtle, bullshit strategy.

Dude Russia been trying to get the sanctions lifted since the war began, the whole point of the pressure on EU was that they could have had all the cheap Gas they wanted with one simple decision.
Destroying the pipelines ties europe's hands and leaves them no choice but to commit to supporting Ukraine.
How does this help Russia in any way?

 

[winjer]

Dude Russia been trying to get the sanctions lifted since the war began, the whole point of the pressure on EU was that they could have had all the cheap Gas they wanted with one simple decision.
Destroying the pipelines ties europe's hands and leaves them no choice but to commit to supporting Ukraine.
How does this help Russia in any way?

The EU already committed on cutting ties with Russia. In the last months it has made plenty of deal to get gas and oil from other sources.
Both the EU and the USA are committed to helping Ukraine.
That pipeline will soon become useless, so Russia destroying it is both a good way to claim a "false flag action" against the west and it's also in their policy of scorched earth.
Considering there are quite a few people claiming it was the USA, shows that it's having some effect as a false flag operation, even in the west. In Russia it's probably going to be a success.

 

[GreenAlien]

1. Distract attention away from the sham referendums and annexation
2. Sow discontent in Europe
3. Hike LNG prices to pay for the war. LNG prices had fallen back to last year level, but are now soaring again.

None of that makes up for the very real possibility of turning Germany this winter. A possibility that is now pretty much dead. Even if germans rebell and topple their government, and they very well might once they realise their social system, pensions and "Wirtschaftswunder" are unsustainable without cheap gas. There is no point to lifting sanctions now. It's done.

 

[M1chl]

I think we should light it on fire, I think it would be glorious. Then we can talk who did it.

 

[Lasha]

I thought Russia would do it to prevent legal claims against its cash held outside of Russia for failing to deliver on contracts. Nobody else benefits from sabotaging the pipeline except Russia.

 

[Odinnii]

The EU already committed on cutting ties with Russia. In the last months it has made plenty of deal to get gas and oil from other sources.
Both the EU and the USA are committed to helping Ukraine.
That pipeline will soon become useless, so Russia destroying it is both a good way to claim a "false flag action" against the west and it's also in their policy of scorched earth.
Considering there are quite a few people claiming it was the USA, shows that it's having some effect as a false flag operation, even in the west. In Russia it's probably going to be a success.

Getting Gas is one thing. Getting Gas for the same price/volume EU can get from Russia is impossible.

 

[winjer]

Getting Gas is one thing. Getting Gas for the same price/volume EU can get from Russia is impossible.

Doesn't matter. What matters is not being dependent on Russia.

 

[Doczu]

Doesn't matter. What matters is not being dependent on Russia.

It will matter once people can't afford to heat their house

 

[Brazen]

How does this help Russia in any way?

All you comrades fleeing mobilization, come back to the MUTHAland and defend MUTHA RUSSIA!!!

Spoiler

That's how it helps Russia.

I think we should light it on fire, I think it would be glorious.

Honestly that would be less harmful on the environment, if possible, no expert on that but I assume to be the case.

 

[winjer]

It will matter once people can't afford to heat their house

Gas price is already dropping significantly.
Besides, there are other sources of energy.
No point in sleeping with the devil, just for some cheaper gas.

 

[FunkMiller]

Dude Russia been trying to get the sanctions lifted since the war began, the whole point of the pressure on EU was that they could have had all the cheap Gas they wanted with one simple decision.
Destroying the pipelines ties europe's hands and leaves them no choice but to commit to supporting Ukraine.
How does this help Russia in any way?

As others have pointed out, the EU has completely turned away from Russia now. That is not an avenue for Putin anymore. Hence why we're seeing these desperate, pathetic attempts to destabilise the NATO allies.

Nothing Putin is doing makes much sense anymore, because he literally has nowhere good to go. He's fucked it. Comprehensively. All his leverage is fast disappearing, and we're now in the stage of someone desperately trying anything to change the course of this conflict. None of it's going to work. Glorious.

 

[Nikodemos]

I thought Russia would do it to prevent legal claims against its cash held outside of Russia for failing to deliver on contracts. Nobody else benefits from sabotaging the pipeline except Russia.

This is actually a good point. As long as the pipeline is physically intact, Gazprom is on the hook for contract breach if they don't deliver. Their "experiencing technical difficulties" stalling tactic can only buy them so much time.
If the pipe is destroyed, they have an easy out, via "force majeure". They can also dismantle the Western-supplied components to reinstall them elsewhere, ex. on a line to China.

 

[Kenpachii]

Ah nvm the german guy is standing straight next towards him lamo, i am just being a idiot.

 

[funkygunther]

It will matter once people can't afford to heat their house

people have been saying this from the very start

 

[FunkMiller]

people have been saying this from the very start

And it's been absolute horseshit the entire time.

 

[Thaedolus]

Huh, I wonder why they have morale problems

 

[ForAcademicPurposes]

When the United States tells it's citizens abroad to gfto of the country it usually means shit is about to go down soon.

 

[sinnergy]

When the United States tells it's citizens abroad to gfto of the country it usually means shit is about to go down soon.

Bomb on kremlin ? Putin his birth place and the land bridge with Ukraine would be a good start ..

But it’s probably because planes won’t fly anymore.. after sanctions .

 

[sinnergy]

Really? This is ridiculous. The Cia warned the EU that the pipeline would be targeted back in June. Let's give Ukraine billions in support and then fuck over our allies and friends in Europe by fucking with their heating supply
Get outta here with this bullshit.

Some people are hilarious.. they rather have Russia as the police of the world because bad USA always meddles .. but who will if they don’t ? Please sent in some good replacements.

 

[sinnergy]

The fucker really wants a war .... he really wants to end it.

Yes and he probably will get it , best is to handle before he does …

 

[funkygunther]

When the United States tells it's citizens abroad to gfto of the country it usually means shit is about to go down soon.

that has been the case since the beginning: https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-a...n-on-withdrawals-from-personal-bank-accounts/(March 10)

it's being restated now because:

“Russia may refuse to acknowledge dual nationals’ US citizenship, deny their access to US consular assistance, prevent their departure from Russia, and conscript dual nationals for military service,” the alert said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/28/politics/us-embassy-russia-warns-americans-leave/index.html

 

[M1chl]

 

[InverseAgonist]

Yes this thread is filed with people who think we will just walk this off that’s even more amazing … yikes . And ask people their education level , like you are superior or something, even more amazing .

I don't really understand the former.

I asked because you scare me. You know not of what you speak yet are talking a lot about complicated things in here. I find this a common phenomenon in this thread. When I see you and others making ridiculous comments (You wanted to drop a "hydrogen bomb" but not a "nuclear one yet" ?!?) which are factually wrong in objective reality and that should be common knowledge to anyone educated, it reminds me of Gell-Mann Amnesia:

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.​

​

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.” – Michael Crichton (1942-2008)​

​

See, as I explained in this thread when the war was first starting I spent some time in a former life at SAIS in Bologna and studied Cold War Strategy and had a passing interest in this idea of Iraq as a contemporary virtual/buffer state in the same manner as the Roman Empire's use of them more formally in the 1st century AD, this is admittedly heavy influenced by my reading of Luttwak, but it was en vogue at the time. So, I know a thing or two about the situation and when people spurt shit which is just flat wrong, it makes me question what else they are wrong about that I'm missing. Do they really have a clue about International Relations? Or what war is like? Why are they pushing for continued war past the Minsk II protocol boundaries? It makes one think and all my past conversations and positions are in this thread.

I've left this thread because I find it exasperating and a cesspool. I only came back because I had a notification.

I would love to have an honest conversation about why there are rumors that the Ukrainians and Russians were close to signing a real end to this conflict in the Spring but were torpedoed by the West. See:

This is what a bombshell story in Ukrainska Pravda said at the time, but which was almost completely ignored in Western mainstream media:​

​

"According Ukrainska Pravda sources close to Zelenskyy, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Boris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought two simple messages. The first is that Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with.​

​

And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they [the UK and US] are not. Johnson’s position was that the collective West, which back in February had suggested Zelenskyy should surrender and flee, now felt that Putin was not really as powerful as they had previously imagined, and that here was a chance to “press him.”"​

​

The Ukrainian media English-language report went on to emphasize that Three days after Johnson left for Britain, Putin went public and said talks with Ukraine “had turned into a dead end”.​

Is this really in the best interest of the people of Donetsk and Eastern Ukraine as well as the soldiers who are dying and civilians who are being raped and murdered? I've long advocated turning off this war ASAP as the consequences of it dragging on are bad all around, in direct human cost, indirectly in food shortages in the 3rd world and energy in Europe. As well as the simple truth that the longer this goes on, the higher the likelihood that a far-tail, low probability event of dramatic effect happens. That's simple math, you're rolling the dice ever day this drags on.

And that's avoiding why the West would be wanting to keep this going? Is there some geopolitics about beating down the ascendent Russian/Chinese axis? Or what about putting down the Russians who signed a military defense agreement with the Saudi's last year, bringing them closer into their orbit -- is this a scheme to ensure they are locked into the Petrodollar and away from the Russians/Chinese and what would become the immediate downfall of the dollar? Who knows, but I do know I won't get a decent conversation here on it!

 

[TransTrender]

This is how Splatoon happens

 

[MachRc]

See, as I explained in this thread when the war was first starting I spent some time in a former life at SAIS in Bologna and studied Cold War Strategy and had a passing interest in this idea of Iraq as a contemporary virtual/buffer state in the same manner as the Roman Empire's use of them more formally in the 1st century AD, this is admittedly heavy influenced by my reading of Luttwak but it was en vogue at the time. So, I know a thing or two about the situation and when people spurt shit which is just flat wrong, it makes me question what else they are wrong about that I'm missing...................

 

[Doczu]

Gas price is already dropping significantly.
Besides, there are other sources of energy.
No point in sleeping with the devil, just for some cheaper gas.

I didn't say that, Russia is no valid partner for any energy contract and they have to be stopped at all cost, but the amount of gas needed is higher than many think and i would love to see those lower prices before i will pass judgment. For my household the prices went up by 90%. There is not talk about it going lower.
People in my country are fucked cause gas went up (almost all newly built houses from the last 15 years are gas heated), coal is not available and also absurdly overpriced (guess where we imported most of our coal from when our mining had to be shut down) and electric heating is not popular, but those that have it got fucked with upcoming 200-400% electricity bills.
People are NOT HAPPY and many households face a real problem of not being able to pay the bills. Who are they going to blame? Russia? Sure, they are responsible for most of the problems, but the goverment will have a lot to do to keep people calm.

people have been saying this from the very start

Yes, i have and i still do. It's good to see Russia losing, but i am facing a real possibility that i won't be able to keep up with the rising costs and might end losing my house and with a remaining high debt to pay off cause mortgages in Poland aren't tied to your property, they are tied to you as a person. And i am not the only one in this situation.
This was probably Putins plan to weaken western societies and it is working. And as long as politicians won't find a way to help people in dire situation, then would they support them?

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Everyone should refrain from acting like they know exactly how it blew up and any opinion to the contrary is ridiculous and impossible. This is how you make an a-hole out of yourself.

We've seen corruption all over the world to the point that I wouldn't be surprised by any reasoning for this, but it's too soon to draw any conclusions.

 

[winjer]

I didn't say that, Russia is no valid partner for any energy contract and they have to be stopped at all cost, but the amount of gas needed is higher than many think and i would love to see those lower prices before i will pass judgment. For my household the prices went up by 90%. There is not talk about it going lower.
People in my country are fucked cause gas went up (almost all newly built houses from the last 15 years are gas heated), coal is not available and also absurdly overpriced (guess where we imported most of our coal from when our mining had to be shut down) and electric heating is not popular, but those that have it got fucked with upcoming 200-400% electricity bills.
People are NOT HAPPY and many households face a real problem of not being able to pay the bills. Who are they going to blame? Russia? Sure, they are responsible for most of the problems, but the goverment will have a lot to do to keep people calm.

Yes, i have and i still do. It's good to see Russia losing, but i am facing a real possibility that i won't be able to keep up with the rising costs and might end losing my house and with a remaining high debt to pay off cause mortgages in Poland aren't tied to your property, they are tied to you as a person. And i am not the only one in this situation.
This was probably Putins plan to weaken western societies and it is working. And as long as politicians won't find a way to help people in dire situation, then would they support them?

What is your country. Most of EU already has it's winter reserves close to 100%.

 

[Ironbunny]

I don't really understand the former.

I asked because you scare me. You know not of what you speak yet are talking a lot about complicated things in here. I find this a common phenomenon in this thread. When I see you and others making ridiculous comments (You wanted to drop a "hydrogen bomb" but not a "nuclear one yet" ?!?) which are factually wrong in objective reality and that should be common knowledge to anyone educated, it reminds me of Gell-Mann Amnesia:

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.​

​

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.” – Michael Crichton (1942-2008)​

​

See, as I explained in this thread when the war was first starting I spent some time in a former life at SAIS in Bologna and studied Cold War Strategy and had a passing interest in this idea of Iraq as a contemporary virtual/buffer state in the same manner as the Roman Empire's use of them more formally in the 1st century AD, this is admittedly heavy influenced by my reading of Luttwak, but it was en vogue at the time. So, I know a thing or two about the situation and when people spurt shit which is just flat wrong, it makes me question what else they are wrong about that I'm missing. Do they really have a clue about International Relations? Or what war is like? Why are they pushing for continued war past the Minsk II protocol boundaries? It makes one think and all my past conversations and positions are in this thread.

I've left this thread because I find it exasperating and a cesspool. I only came back because I had a notification.

I would love to have an honest conversation about why there are rumors that the Ukrainians and Russians were close to signing a real end to this conflict in the Spring but were torpedoed by the West. See:

This is what a bombshell story in Ukrainska Pravda said at the time, but which was almost completely ignored in Western mainstream media:​

​

"According Ukrainska Pravda sources close to Zelenskyy, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Boris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought two simple messages. The first is that Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with.​

​

And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they [the UK and US] are not. Johnson’s position was that the collective West, which back in February had suggested Zelenskyy should surrender and flee, now felt that Putin was not really as powerful as they had previously imagined, and that here was a chance to “press him.”"​

​

The Ukrainian media English-language report went on to emphasize that Three days after Johnson left for Britain, Putin went public and said talks with Ukraine “had turned into a dead end”.​

Is this really in the best interest of the people of Donetsk and Eastern Ukraine as well as the soldiers who are dying and civilians who are being raped and murdered? I've long advocated turning off this war ASAP as the consequences of it dragging on are bad all around, in direct human cost, indirectly in food shortages in the 3rd world and energy in Europe. As well as the simple truth that the longer this goes on, the higher the likelihood that a far-tail, low probability event of dramatic effect happens. That's simple math, you're rolling the dice ever day this drags on.

And that's avoiding why the West would be wanting to keep this going? Is there some geopolitics about beating down the ascendent Russian/Chinese axis? Or what about putting down the Russians who signed a military defense agreement with the Saudi's last year, bringing them closer into their orbit -- is this a scheme to ensure they are locked into the Petrodollar and away from the Russians/Chinese and what would become the immediate downfall of the dollar? Who knows, but I do know I won't get a decent conversation here on it!

The whole problem is claim that ruZZia should have a right for some buffer state. Looking at Poo-tins maps many indepent countries would fall under that trap. No thanks.