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[JeloSWE]

From developers are great at combat and encounter design, art design (Elden Ring is amazing), and many other things.

They are terrible at performance optimization. Every single game of theirs have had issues. Elden Ring has many documented performance related problems.

This RTX debacle is an illustration. Any other dev would at least put in DLSS, FSR or both to offset performance hit. Yet here we are. Not to mentioned performance issues still present in the title which are only somewhat mitigated by a recent top CPUs.

They are among the least technically competent developers out there. I don't know what they do to be so inepts but on PC:

• No 120fps+ mode.
• No Wide Screen Support, not even in single player mode, just big fat black polygons covering the rendered game.
• HDR does not work in Borderless Window, due to using old API, it only works in true full screen which causes jarring black screen on alt+tab.
• Lighting model is almost PS3 level. Indoor lighting is terrible with few proper shadowcasting light sources.
• No DLSS, XeSS, or FSR.
• They camera is still bugged on pad. Even after they added the "Don't Center Camera" toggle. The camera STILL starts to slowly center as soon as the R3 is engaged, this will even make the camera move in the wrong direction if you apply soft pressure.
• Game still stutters when rotating the camera, often when looking at certain directions.
• Etc and so on....

 

[paolo11]

No performance improvements on ps5?

 

[scydrex]

No performance improvements on ps5?

No... performance downgrade with RT.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

From even looking in RT's general direction is like that guy who goes to AutoZone and buys $800 worth of chrome hubcaps and flame decals for his '96 Kia Sportage

 

[Skifi28]

Well that's the mistake your making, because the PS5 version running in performance mode runs way better than the standard PS4 version running on a PS5 in compatability mode now, this was fixed about a week after release

Honestly do not understand the people still playing the game like this, all you're doing now is gimping the visuals of the game for no reason

How exactly does it run better? The ps4 version on ps5 is pretty much locked 60. Meanwhile the framerate of the ps5 version, even on performance, is all over the place and generally hovers in the 50s with stuttering. It was never fixed, not a week after release and not a year later.

 

[paolo11]

I guess I’ll get the ps4 version. Does it share trophies with ps5 version or separate trophy list?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I guess I’ll get the ps4 version. Does it share trophies with ps5 version or separate trophy list?

Separate list, I believe.

 

[Evolved1]

Well that's the mistake your making, because the PS5 version running in performance mode runs way better than the standard PS4 version running on a PS5 in compatability mode now, this was fixed about a week after release

Honestly do not understand the people still playing the game like this, all you're doing now is gimping the visuals of the game for no reason

I'm skeptical.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Well that's the mistake your making, because the PS5 version running in performance mode runs way better than the standard PS4 version running on a PS5 in compatability mode now, this was fixed about a week after release

Honestly do not understand the people still playing the game like this, all you're doing now is gimping the visuals of the game for no reason

I've been playing the PS5 performance mode since January when I bought it. It still has lots of dips and performance issues.

I heard the PS4 one is locked 60 the entire time.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Huh I think they may have lowered the resolution or done something on PS5.

Trying to fight the guy that's right before Maliketh... Standing from the Maliketh Site of Grace and walking to him I noticed some shimmer on the walls. And as you get closer to the entrance there's some really bad shadows and it's also badly popping up. I don't remember either yesterday.

 

[Evolved1]

They are among the least technically competent developers out there. I don't know what they do to be so inepts but on PC:

• No 120fps+ mode.
• No Wide Screen Support, not even in single player mode, just big fat black polygons covering the rendered game.
• HDR does not work in Borderless Window, due to using old API, it only works in true full screen which causes jarring black screen on alt+tab.
• Lighting model is almost PS3 level. Indoor lighting is terrible with few popper shadowcasting light sources.
• No DLSS, XeSS, or FSR.
• They camera is still bugged on pad. Even after they added the "Don't Center Camera" toggle. The camera STILL starts to slowly center as soon as the R3 is engaged, this will even make the camera move in the wrong direction if you apply soft pressure.
• Game still stutters when rotating the camera, often when looking at certain directions.
• Etc and so on....

So that camera bug on PS5 was infuriating to me. I just played through it. However, recently I was dicking around with the dual sense edge controller settings and changing the analog curve to "smooth" almost completely fixed it. That was surprising and pretty confusing to me, still not sure why that would have any effect, but just as someone who is SUPER sensitive to that kind of jank, it's pretty much gone now.

Obviously... expensive way to fix the problem. Maybe someone can investigate / corroborate.

 

[Fredrik]

Glad to have a 4000 series card when something like this drop!!!

Go to Abandoned Coffin..,
I’m sorry but there is nothing to be glad about here. Saw the fps counter go as low as 44fps when looking up from the site of grace toward the dragon when the sun was low and created lots of shadows. 4090

 

[scydrex]

Go to Abandoned Coffin..,
I’m sorry but there is nothing to be glad about here. Saw the fps counter go as low as 44fps when looking up from the site of grace toward the dragon when the sun was low and created lots of shadows. 4090

Whattttt

 

[Fredrik]

Whattttt

Yeah. If I did camera sweeps left and right I could see it drop every time I looked up the dragon area. And this is at 1440p btw.

 

[NikuNashi]

Seriously, FROM really needs to hire Bluepoint on the tech field ...

 

[Caio]

New feature​

Ray Tracing support has been added for PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X and PC versions.


Ray Tracing can be activated in the settings menu:

• PS5 / XSX: Game Options > Ray Tracing
• PC: Graphics > Ray Tracing Quality

WTF
[*]Minimum

• OPERATING SYSTEM: WINDOWS 10
• PROCESSOR: Intel Core i5-10600K or AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT
• MEMORY: 16 GB RAM
• GRAPHIC CARD: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti, 8 GB or AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT, 12 GB
• RECOMMENDED GRAPHICS SETTING: 1080p - Low quality – Low Ray Tracing

Yes ! I'm gonna try it now, on my XSX. I'm loving Elden Ring, level 82 right now, and can't stop playing it. I believe exploration will be better with Ray Tracing

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

From even looking in RT's general direction is like that guy who goes to AutoZone and buys $800 worth of chrome hubcaps and flame decals for his '96 Kia Sportage

Yeah when they said they added Ray Tracing to the game I assumed that was just the name of a new NPC

 

[paolo11]

How exactly does it run better? The ps4 version on ps5 is pretty much locked 60. Meanwhile the framerate of the ps5 version, even on performance, is all over the place and generally hovers in the 50s with stuttering. It was never fixed, not a week after release and not a year later.

What’s the difference between IQ on ps4 and ps5 version running on ps5? Better resolution on ps5?

 

[The Last Ninja]

What’s the difference between IQ on ps4 and ps5 version running on ps5? Better resolution on ps5?

Better resolution and more foliage. Limgrave kinda looks like a desert on the PS4 version (comparatively). But it does run at a pretty much locked 60 FPS. The PS5 version dips a lot. Don't know what the other poster was going on about saying the PS5 version performs better..

 

[TheUsual]

There's no fucking difference except low frame rate.

WTF lol

The Dark Souls of ray tracing

 

[Buggy Loop]

Fucking consoles with trash RT holding PC for ray tracing implementations

These console RT, i.e AMD centric implementations, have been pure trash.

Shadows

The most useless RT feature

 

[BbMajor7th]

RT mode tanks Castle Morne on PS5 - the entrance hall was running at about 15-20 FPS (it was raining, which probably didn't help).

 

[Lethal01]

Time to finally play this game.

 

[M1987]

Yeah. If I did camera sweeps left and right I could see it drop every time I looked up the dragon area. And this is at 1440p btw.

Wtf,that's crazy

 

[omegasc]

Tried it on PS5... for 5 minutes. Took 2 screenshots, compared. Huge difference in performance. Back to "performance" mode with VRR. Seems like a PoC for future titles when RTX 6080Ti is available. With DLSS 7.8 to target 60fps.

 

[Braag]

They added RT but no DLSS. Wut?

Just tried it out on my 3090 and if I put it on low at 1440p I get 50-55fps in limgrave. Medium drops it by another 8 fps and high-maximum setting at 1440p gives me 30-40 fps.
Not worth the fps drop, though it does improve the visuals quite a bit. But without DLSS or FSR it just doesn't make sense.

Edit: After further testing if I hang around in the same area for a few minutes then my fps suddenly jumps to 50-60 even with RT at maximum but initially entering a forested area tanks the fps until it slowly kinda picks up as you stay in that area. Very weird, never seen performance be so all over the place lol.

 

[Captain Toad]

Peoples saying that RT is useless have no fucking clues.

"Useless" might be a BIT strong, but if it comes at the expense of performance or other graphical features (which is almost always right now), we are better off without.

 

[Buggy Loop]

"Useless" might be a BIT strong, but if it comes at the expense of performance or other graphical features (which is almost always right now), we are better off without.

When implemented right, it is THE graphical feature.
We’ve hit a wall with rasterization where no matter how much artists you pour on the game so that it drips with shaders and textures… they aren’t physically lit correctly in the world and these screen space reflection glitches will never make the game feel like it should. It’ll pay off way more to have competent RTGI solution than trying to make the best looking rasterization.

We’ll drown in RT enabled games soon and it’ll become the norm, lumen is a form of RT and a big reason why unreal 5 looks like it does. The tsunami of UE5 games coming in the coming years will make RT the new baseline. By next gen they’ll likely go RT Lumen for more accuracy for consoles.

It’s the difference between looking like a PS3 game

And next gen

 

[jaysius]

"Useless" might be a BIT strong, but if it comes at the expense of performance or other graphical features (which is almost always right now), we are better off without.

It's the carrot that Nvidia has created because they know they do it the best and people will keep chasing it, it's what stagnant tech creates, fetishizing a trivial feature.

 

[lh032]

why they always going to stupid RT shadows? give me lighting

 

[Fredrik]

why they always going to stupid RT shadows? give me lighting

Should be shadows, lighting, reflections. There is definitely a difference with what we got but not big enough. And the shadows don’t always get cast from the light source, I was inside Volcano Manor and it looked cool and all and then I stood beside the site of grace in the main hall and no shadow were cast ???

 

[hlm666]

ER high preset with high RT on a 3080 at 1440p. Havn't tried medium or low yet to see if the performance hit is less. This was a fresh run after the update so my shader cache had probably been nuked aswell, it was a little better without obs recording. The lows were probably about 3 fps better.

 

[skneogaf]

I tried the ray tracing on high using a 4090 at 4k. It's definitely not life changing but I could tell straight away.

I wonder if mods can now mess around with the ray tracing implementation and turn it up to eleven?

 

[Tarin02543]

my 3060 starts buzzing when i go from RT off to low.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Checks to patch notes to see if they fucked up the Blasphemous Blade.

No?

Yay!

 

[Puscifer]

barely any noticeable difference and major frame hits. people have been complaining

I would disagree, launched it on PC and the RTAO makes a big difference. The video doesn't do it proper justice but the world feels more grounded as a result.

 

[Tarin02543]

I would disagree, launched it on PC and the RTAO makes a big difference. The video doesn't do it proper justice but the world feels more grounded was a result.

I agree, overall image is better

 

[Filben]

. Is the graphical difference gameplay style worth it to go through it again?

In my experience it never is. I started RDR2 on PC after finishing it on PS4 with that infamous bad image quality. I started again with CP2077 after upgrading my GPU but didn't play longer than a few hours. I tried to replay so many games after upgrading my hardware to "experience" them again with better graphics.

But after a few hours you'll realise you won't be playing a game for its graphics. You either play it again because there are things left unfinished or it plays great and is fun.

That's why I didn't bother to reinstall ER again for this update. Already played it for 110hours and it wasn't for its graphics and visual effects. I'll go again if they release the expansion.

 

[Puscifer]

my 3060 starts buzzing when i go from RT off to low.

Coil whine baby

I agree, overall image is better

It's kinda weird to me that just like dying light, actual RT lighting and reflections are of utter indifference but RT AO and shadows, shockingly, grounding objects is something I've definitely noticed because everything starts to look and feel attached to the game world.

 

[The Cockatrice]

I would disagree, launched it on PC and the RTAO makes a big difference. The video doesn't do it proper justice but the world feels more grounded was a result.

Ah yes, shimmering AO on grass and 30 fps loss. What a huge difference.

 

[Puscifer]

Ah yes, shimmering AO on grass and 30 fps loss. What a huge difference.

Ahh yes, except neither of those are there or even observable in the video.

Ah yes, talking out your ass.

 

[RoboFu]

I would disagree, launched it on PC and the RTAO makes a big difference. The video doesn't do it proper justice but the world feels more grounded was a result.

Wow those ps5 fps are horrible. Either lock it to 30 or be above 60.

 

[gaming_again]

Great Club is a BEAST now.

 

[Mister Wolf]

From needs to move on to UE5. From, Team Ninja, and Platinum Games all use shit tier in house engines. You'd think because it's their personal engine they'd be good at using it, yet here we are.

 

[Puscifer]

Wow those ps5 fps are horrible. Either lock it to 30 or be above 60.

You get a better looking game with the same performance what's to complain about lol

 

[The Cockatrice]

Ahh yes, except neither of those are there or even observable in the video.

Ah yes, talking out your ass.

You can literally see the grass ao shimmering in the video lmfao. If youre blind or ignorant thats your problem. Also love how you completely ignored the framedrops.

with the same performance

 

[Puscifer]

You can literally see the grass ao shimmering in the video lmfao. If youre blind or ignorant thats your problem. Also love how you completely ignored the framedrops.

Console performance is exactly the same, but I'm also playing on PC.

 

[The Cockatrice]

but I'm also playing on PC.

Timer. I also love playing on a 4090 a cross-gen game at 40 fps just to get shitty ao grass and better shadows, that hardly impact the visuals of the game since, ER is a pos from a technical pov ofc and only its artstyle is what matters, not how detailed shadows are.

 

[Captain Toad]

Can you just turn off the RT and get the old performance?

 

[Puscifer]

Timer. I also love playing on a 4090 a cross-gen game at 40 fps just to get shitty ao grass and better shadows, that hardly impact the visuals of the game since, ER is a pos from a technical pov ofc and only its artstyle is what matters, not how detailed shadows are.

Speak for yourself, I think what's shown is great. And that direct comparison of no rt/max rt shows a huge difference LOL. Anywho, I like it and think it makes enough of a difference that I'm keeping it on. Keep on keeping on m8