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Starfield | Review Thread

What scores do you think StarfieId will get?

  • 40-45%

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • 45-50%

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 50-55%

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • 55-60%

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 60-65%

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 65-70%

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • 70-75%

    Votes: 5 0.8%
  • 75-80%

    Votes: 15 2.3%
  • 80-85%

    Votes: 81 12.5%
  • 85-90%

    Votes: 241 37.3%
  • 90-95%

    Votes: 243 37.6%
  • 95-100%

    Votes: 55 8.5%

  • Total voters
    646
  • Poll closed .

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
How long till Philly boy runs to Sony to try to cut some of the expensive damage they put into this game?

Microsoft made a big mistake making this exclusive. They could have easily sold about 4 million copies on PlayStation and took 60% of the profits and got back some of that 500m they spent on it.

Anyway, this game had to be a big win for Microsoft. It had all the hype in the world, and it won't even be close to a game-of-the-year contender. Seen a lot of refunds and I've seen a lot of people complain it's kinda boring.
FYI ICYMI - Microsoft estimated that Starfield would sell 10 million copies on PlayStation and still made it exclusive.

Even if we assume $45 avg. price for 10 million copies, that's like $315,000,000 in pure net profit for Xbox. They let it go, hoping that the increase in Game Pass subscriptions and, more importantly, Xbox console sales will recover that.

Considering the game is not in the "must-play" territory and is currently sitting at a lower score than Halo Infinite, I doubt their plan/hopes of recovering this lost money via console sales and increased market share would be successful.
 
So I've put in many hours into starfield and while there's many good points, it just feels outdated. It's like a game from 2008. The engine has had its days and the Bethesda formula needs to evolve too. Oh and fuck todd Howard. What happened to being able to fully explore space? That aspect is non existent. My score would also be a 7/10.
 
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graywolf323

Member
How long till Philly boy runs to Sony to try to cut some of the expensive damage they put into this game?

Microsoft made a big mistake making this exclusive. They could have easily sold about 4 million copies on PlayStation and took 60% of the profits and got back some of that 500m they spent on it.

Anyway, this game had to be a big win for Microsoft. It had all the hype in the world, and it won't even be close to a game-of-the-year contender. Seen a lot of refunds and I've seen a lot of people complain it's kinda boring.
IIRC didn’t we learn from the FTC trial that Microsoft actually thought Starfield could sell 10+ million on PS5?

FYI ICYMI - Microsoft estimated that Starfield would sell 10 million copies on PlayStation and still made it exclusive.

Even if we assume $45 avg. price for 10 million copies, that's like $315,000,000 in pure net profit for Xbox. They let it go, hoping that the increase in Game Pass subscriptions and, more importantly, Xbox console sales will recover that.

Considering the game is not in the "must-play" territory and is currently sitting at a lower score than Halo Infinite, I doubt their plan/hopes of recovering this lost money via console sales and increased market share would be successful.

edit: I was badly beaten
 
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Topher

Gold Member
So I've put in many hours into starfield and while there's many good points, it just feels outdated. It's like a game from 2008. The engine has had its days and the Bethesda formula needs to evolve too.

I'm guessing the engine is probably responsible for pretty much all the issues I have with the game. Can't believe they are sticking with this thing with TES VI.
 

Dunnas

Member
Its not gonna move the Xbox Brand and Subscription services like how they planned or wished. Next chance would be ElderScrolls6
Yes, indeed, the next chance will be in 5-6 years. They won't be releasing any other potentially great games until ES6. ES6 has no chance of impressing anyone either. It will be on the same engine with the same quirks. At least all the people that apparently love Skyrim and hate Starfield will have a good 5 years now to start coming up with reasons for why ES6 sucks, even if it is everything they say they want in this thread, but only scores an 89.99, which as everybody know, means that a game is terrible.
 
FYI ICYMI - Microsoft estimated that Starfield would sell 10 million copies on PlayStation and still made it exclusive.

Even if we assume $45 avg. price for 10 million copies, that's like $315,000,000 in pure net profit for Xbox. They let it go, hoping that the increase in Game Pass subscriptions and, more importantly, Xbox console sales will recover that.

Considering the game is not in the "must-play" territory and is currently sitting at a lower score than Halo Infinite, I doubt their plan/hopes of recovering this lost money via console sales and increased market share would be successful.
I was just joking if I'm being honest. It's too late for them to run to Sony.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Yes, indeed, the next chance will be in 5-6 years. They won't be releasing any other potentially great games until ES6.
Nothing that is gonna move the needle. Sarcasm or not, these titles are meant to take Xbox and Gamepass to new heights. Its not happening atm and I doubt Hellblade 2 will if Halo and Forza havent. EC6 is a console selling title, the others arent
 

Madflavor

Member
"Since when is 86 a bad score!?"

Depends on the size and scope of a game, the size and experience of a studio, the marketing and hype levels, etc etc. Let's actually break this down to create some context:
  • Bethesda is a very experienced studio who has made some of the best and most legendary RPGs in history.
  • This is Bethesda's first new IP with their Open World RPG approach, in a very long time. Tapping into Sci-Fi Space Exploration, a genre that many people have interest in.
  • It was hyped up as a system seller, and GOTY material. The direct videos marketed it as next level.
  • The way it was marketed clearly directed people into thinking it would place a big emphasis on space and planetary exploration using your custom built ship. (Yes they did, stop trying to gaslight people into thinking they're wrong.)
  • Xbox has been in a bad spot for a good amount of time now, with their competition putting out GOTY level games year after year after year.
So right now the game on MC is sitting at an 86 on Xbox, and could likely go down a bit more. Is this "bad"? If you keep the above points in mind, then sorta. It's not the quality we should expect and deserve, simple as that. It may not be a "bad game" but it certainly seems to be a disappointing one.
 

Gudji

Member
86 is not a bad score.

The problem is that the Xbox fanbase hyped it as the Game of the Generation. Now this same fanbase is complaining about reviewers giving the game a low score because they're anti-Xbox.



I'm trying to ignore this game and keeps showing up on my timeline.

But people from this community want to convince you that it's one of the best exclusives ever created.

People have the live with the consequences after they overhyped this game.

Senjutsusage tweet.

tenor.gif
 

drganon

Member
86 is not a bad score.

The problem is that the Xbox fanbase hyped it as the Game of the Generation. Now this same fanbase is complaining about reviewers giving the game a low score because they're anti-Xbox.



I'm trying to ignore this game and keeps showing up on my timeline.

But people from this community want to convince you that it's one of the best exclusives ever created.

People have the live with the consequences after they overhyped this game.

That beastoftruth guy just might be even more retarded than sage.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Been thinking about this too. I only saw one or two posters doing that.

There were a lot more than one or two hyping up Starfield my man. I was one of them. Folks need to be honest about this. The hype for this game was unreal. Has the overall public reaction to the game risen to that hype? Absolutely not. Does that take away from my enjoyment of the game? Absolutely not.
 

BlueLyria

Member
I'm seeing a lot of copium out there.
Tbh I'm also on copium for a technical patch, but I swear I'm seeing quite a few posts that just make it seem they're forcing themselves to like the game, specially on twitter and reddit.
 

Vroadstar

Gold Member
No doubt.

Tbh it’s sad to see veteran Bethesda’s first new IP and new universe and biggest game in 25 years used this way.
This release should be an exciting event for everyone.

But it’s console war fuel and parts of the hobby will try to find faults and criticize the game instead of playing it no matter how good it is.

It makes me wish it wasn’t exclusive…
…but it also makes me understand why MS made it an exclusive.

If there is one game that could punch through the walls and wake people up on a global scale so they realize that Xbox actually exist - it’ll be this game.

”What’s an Xbox?” might not be said again.


From that point of view it might actually be worth the 10 million less games sold that MS expected. People inside their bubbles might peek outside their walls to see what the noise is all about.

86 is not a bad score.

The problem is that the Xbox fanbase hyped it as the Game of the Generation. Now this same fanbase is complaining about reviewers giving the game a low score because they're anti-Xbox.



I'm trying to ignore this game and keeps showing up on my timeline.

But people from this community want to convince you that it's one of the best exclusives ever created.

People have the live with the consequences after they overhyped this game.


DForce DForce I agree, before, it was that one game that "could punch through the walls, wake people up on a global scale, and what's an Xbox?" might not be said again. But apparently, that's not overhyping now. yikes!

I'm pretty sure, some fans here are punching through walls, but for another reason.

Comedy Central Punch The Wall GIF by Workaholics
 
There were a lot more than one or two hyping up Starfield my man. I was one of them. Folks need to be honest about this. The hype for this game was unreal. Has the overall public reaction to the game risen to that hype? Absolutely not. Does that take away from my enjoyment of the game? Absolutely not.
Well I'm not just talking about hype threads, I meant those guarantees of goat status and such. I only saw like one or two of those kinds of posts, and it was around the time of the Starfield Direct.
 
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UltimaKilo

Gold Member
FYI ICYMI - Microsoft estimated that Starfield would sell 10 million copies on PlayStation and still made it exclusive.

Even if we assume $45 avg. price for 10 million copies, that's like $315,000,000 in pure net profit for Xbox. They let it go, hoping that the increase in Game Pass subscriptions and, more importantly, Xbox console sales will recover that.

Considering the game is not in the "must-play" territory and is currently sitting at a lower score than Halo Infinite, I doubt their plan/hopes of recovering this lost money via console sales and increased market share would be successful.
Microsoft has that kind of cash to burn. No one game is going to save them, only a steady output of games at the quality of Starfield or above will.

MS seemingly is betting that they can throw their weight around long enough to be the last man standing.

What I don’t understand is why they haven’t re-engaged Nintendo about putting GamePass on their system. There must be a number big enough for Nintendo to agree, no?
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
There were a lot more than one or two hyping up Starfield my man. I was one of them. Folks need to be honest about this. The hype for this game was unreal. Has the overall public reaction to the game risen to that hype? Absolutely not. Does that take away from my enjoyment of the game? Absolutely not.
I was one as well and honestly I should know better because anytime I get that hyped about a game or a show it simply can't live up to what I have built up in my head

This will be a game I keep coming back to though and not a lot of games do that for me
 

Adam_802

Member
How long till Philly boy runs to Sony to try to cut some of the expensive damage they put into this game?

Microsoft made a big mistake making this exclusive. They could have easily sold about 4 million copies on PlayStation and took 60% of the profits and got back some of that 500m they spent on it.

Anyway, this game had to be a big win for Microsoft. It had all the hype in the world, and it won't even be close to a game-of-the-year contender. Seen a lot of refunds and I've seen a lot of people complain it's kinda boring.

Lmao what copy pasta is this?
 

GHG

Gold Member
Microsoft has that kind of cash to burn. No one game is going to save them, only a steady output of games at the quality of Starfield or above will.

MS seemingly is betting that they can throw their weight around long enough to be the last man standing.

What I don’t understand is why they haven’t re-engaged Nintendo about putting GamePass on their system. There must be a number big enough for Nintendo to agree, no?

What's in it for Nintendo?

Nintendo don't need them.

If anything exposing their userbase to gamepass would be a massive detriment to their business model.
 

UltimaKilo

Gold Member
What's in it for Nintendo?

Nintendo don't need them.

If anything exposing their userbase to gamepass would be a massive detriment to their business model.
The only thing in it for them would be cash. If I were at Nintendo, I’d put a number so big that I’d be forced to accept if they agreed. Let’s say half Nintendo’s market cap? 25 billion? 🤣
 

L*][*N*K

Banned
And that's also not what you said. Again, coverage does not have to mirror the review. A review is one guy's opinion. Where did you get the idea everyone at IGN has to agree?
But it is not a matter of LIKE or DISLIKE, some things in a review are objective opinions and they are contradicting those opinions, this is really not that hard to understand I don’t know why do you keep going in circles
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Microsoft has that kind of cash to burn. No one game is going to save them, only a steady output of games at the quality of Starfield or above will.

MS seemingly is betting that they can throw their weight around long enough to be the last man standing.

What I don’t understand is why they haven’t re-engaged Nintendo about putting GamePass on their system. There must be a number big enough for Nintendo to agree, no?
Unless Xbox creates a first-party-only Game Pass tier, I don't think either PlayStation or Nintendo would agree to that proposition.

If Xbox creates a first-party tier, I think both PlayStation and Nintendo would be happy to make that deal. It'll be beneficial for all parties involved: PS, Nintendo, and Xbox. It'd be similar to EA Play.
 
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Topher

Gold Member
Well I'm not just talking about hype threads, I meant those guarantees of goat status and such.

We had some saying GOAT. Some saying GOTG. Even more saying GOTY. We even had folks in the review prediction thread scoffing at the mere suggestion that the score would be less than 90. One guy said if it scored less than 90 then metacritic would be exposed as a sham. I'm not going to go and dig up the posts because I don't think it is worth it, but I remember them.

So let's look at this realistically from where we were. At this point, Starfield looks to be a distant third in GOTY based on reaction and reviews. That's no where near what the hype said it would be.

Look....I'm adamantly defending the game itself because I love it, but at some point we have to acknowledge that expectations were quite a bit inflated. So if you are enjoying the game then it is time to put away the nonsense about the hype and let go of the need for hype and reality to be the same. It is still a great game.

I was one as well and honestly I should know better because anytime I get that hyped about a game or a show it simply can't live up to what I have built up in my head

This will be a game I keep coming back to though and not a lot of games do that for me

Yeah, I got carried away with it. My hype was sky high and then fell dramatically when I realized the limited space exploration and space combat. But.....after putting in 40 hours, my excitement level has risen back up and I'm not worried about the game's accolades anymore. Just enjoying the hell out of this, because with all the game's warts, I'm personally finding it to be extremely rewarding. In the end, that's what I paid for. Not metacritic scores.
 

L*][*N*K

Banned
What I don’t understand is why they haven’t re-engaged Nintendo about putting GamePass on their system. There must be a number big enough for Nintendo to agree, no?
For the whole industry’s sake, I am glad you don’t call any shots at Nintendo or Microsoft.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
The first 5 minutes of this video need to be required watching for everyone.

As if it wasn't obvious before, at least someone is exposing what's going on behind the scenes.
Seriously. We've been discussing this "influencer" shill-like access journalism BS for years now.
We have talked about it here for a long time but people don't listen and/or just don't care

Have said it before Xbox has armies of people they give free stuff to influence positive affinity (I believe was the erm used)
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
I understand what you say, but it's also not completely true.

When you have point of interest in a planet you have no idea about what it is, you land close to it and then you have to walk a bit to reach it, so you have the whole walking toward a point of interest, slowing starting to see it getting bigger and bigger the more you get close etc, that random content can be bland and repeated, or can be something cool like a relict of ship or an abandoned mine or some event with npcs or whatever and let's be honest, every game has some bland and repeated content, even stuff like latest zelda and ER (i will say they have both more than "some" repeated content).

People with better english could explain my point better but you have to settle with my explanation.

It feels less natural and cohesive than just walking around because you see a point of interest in a menu before landing and doing the walking toward the objective experience, but when you actually land the experience is similar to exploring points of interest in skyrim.

If people were expecting to have 1000 skyrim maps to explore exactly like they do in skyrim then it's their fault, the deep dive clearly said that exploration was different from their previous game and more tuned to a big scope, and even thinking of having 1000 skyrim maps (or bigger) full of non-repeated content was moronic to say the least, rdr2 was in development for 9 years with a bigger budget and it has some repetition aswell. [....]

Well, it's good you're enjoying the exploration. Different strokes, as they say. Personally, to me, it just looks bland and boring. Exploration is supposed to excite a sense of wonder and discovery. Instead, we have long treks through nothing at all:



And if you go to 18:20-20:00, he talks about how many of the points of interest are just copy and paste. So, even after you schlep for minutes through an empty, barren landscape to get to the POI, it is just a repeat of what you've already seen before half a dozen times -- the same structure, same layout, even the same enemy placement and sometimes loot. That is a far cry from the feeling of open-world exploration we got in Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Morrowind.

As for expectations, well, I don't think I had any specific expectations -- except that I wanted it to deliver what I had loved about Bethesda games in the past: a big open world to freely explore, a palpable sense of immersion in that world, a sense of wonder and discovery connected to free exploration, and interesting quests. It sounds like Starfield does have some interesting quests, but (for me anyhow) fails on the other counts. It's a Bethesda game all right, but it doesn't have the same magic that made Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim so memorable for me.

I have also heard (repeatedly) that it takes 20 hours before the game starts to get good. I don't have that sort of patience. If a game doesn't grab me in the first couple hours, I'm out. The load screens and fast travel are another issue, but I've banged on long enough.

Anyhow, enjoy the game. It certainly has a lot of fans.
 
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avin

Member
There were a lot more than one or two hyping up Starfield my man. I was one of them. Folks need to be honest about this. The hype for this game was unreal. Has the overall public reaction to the game risen to that hype? Absolutely not. Does that take away from my enjoyment of the game? Absolutely not.

You don't think we have to maybe wait until the public gets to play the game, before we can know what their reaction is?

avin
 
We had some saying GOAT. Some saying GOTG. Even more saying GOTY. We even had folks in the review prediction thread scoffing at the mere suggestion that the score would be less than 90. One guy said if it scored less than 90 then metacritic would be exposed as a sham. I'm not going to go and dig up the posts because I don't think it is worth it, but I remember them.

So let's look at this realistically from where we were. At this point, Starfield looks to be a distant third in GOTY based on reaction and reviews. That's no where near what the hype said it would be.

Look....I'm adamantly defending the game itself because I love it, but at some point we have to acknowledge that expectations were quite a bit inflated. So if you are enjoying the game then it is time to put away the nonsense about the hype and let go of the need for hype and reality to be the same. It is still a great game.



Yeah, I got carried away with it. My hype was sky high and then fell dramatically when I realized the limited space exploration and space combat. But.....after putting in 40 hours, my excitement level has risen back up and I'm not worried about the game's accolades anymore. Just enjoying the hell out of this, because with all the game's warts, I'm personally finding it to be extremely rewarding. In the end, that's what I paid for. Not metacritic scores.
I'm just speaking to what I saw. Not trying to claim they don't exist. I won't even get to start the game until 7pm tonight. Can't wait to get started, and tbh I don't care at all about goty, goat, or any of that nonsense, personally speaking.
 

Topher

Gold Member
You don't think we have to maybe wait until the public gets to play the game, before we can know what their reaction is?

avin

A significant portion of the public has been playing the game since Friday. I will, however, be interested to see the Steam reviews.

I'm just speaking to what I saw. Not trying to claim they don't exist. I won't even get to start the game until 7pm tonight. Can't wait to get started, and tbh I don't care at all about goty, goat, or any of that nonsense, personally speaking.

I hear ya man. I'm loving it myself. As others have said, give it time to sink in though. Once the game clicks, it is fantastic.
 
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Banjo64

cumsessed
The only thing in it for them would be cash. If I were at Nintendo, I’d put a number so big that I’d be forced to accept if they agreed. Let’s say half Nintendo’s market cap? 25 billion? 🤣
There is no number that is acceptable to allow a Trojan Horse in which has the overall long term goal of putting you out of business or seriously reducing your revenue.
 
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