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[nial]

How did R&C 2016 manage 7M+ but Rift Apart will probably struggle to break 4M?

Maybe they should have continued with the reboot after all.

2021 PS5 exclusive and $70 vs. $40.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Crazy to think that games like COD or GTA can make 1b within a day and here you can have games with 20m+ sellers that did not reach 1b.

Surprised that Uncharted Collection brought less revenue than Days Gone, despite more sales. I wonder how they count stuff PS+ numbers?

Exactly. And the RoI from Bloodborne wasn't deemed high enough to greenlight a sequel.

It's just simple math.

Too many people are willing to believe untrue things just because they personally liked a game.

Also keep in mind that now it is much more expensive to hire From to do a game - they have become much more prestigious studio now.

 

[MisterXDTV]

How did R&C 2016 manage 7M+ but Rift Apart will probably struggle to break 4M?

Maybe they should have continued with the reboot after all.

PS4 game vs PS5 exclusive game (when PS5 was basically impossible to buy)

You do the math

 

[Gudji]

Who needs E3 when we get these leaks.

 

[Godot25]

So Days Gone sold way better than Death Stranding, but Bend was not allowed to make a sequel but Kojima got his bag?

 

[X-Wing]

Spider Man is their biggest game.

So Days Gone sold way better than Death Stranding, but Bend was not allowed to make a sequel but Kojima got his bag?

71 aggregated score vs 82 aggregated score.
Also Kojima is a third party, Sony is the publisher. Development costs are probably lower than have Bend waste time on a Days Gone sequel that would win them another yellow MC.
People need to stop whinning about Days Gone, get over it.

 

[SlimySnake]

How did R&C 2016 manage 7M+ but Rift Apart will probably struggle to break 4M?

Maybe they should have continued with the reboot after all.

$40 vs $70.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

As a total Returnal asslicker, I feel like my previously homicidal son graduated college.

 

[Fake]

So Days Gone sold way better than Death Stranding, but Bend was not allowed to make a sequel but Kojima got his bag?

Good guy Sony.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Who or what the fuck is leaking all of this?

Also shitcanning any chance of a Days Gone sequel will forever sting.

 

[Dane]

Looking at the chart:

-Both Days Gone and Bloodborne had actually very good PPUs (profit per units) coupled with long legs. TLOU 2 had a great PPU too.
-Until Dawn and Horizon mostly sold at discount.
-Ghost of Tsushima is likely their biggest budget to net profit ratio (if the 60 million USD budget is true), no wonder why its a game that stores tend to not offer discounts like they do with the rest.

 

[Gaiff]

Who or what the fuck is leaking all of this?

Also shitcanning any chance of a Days Gone sequel will forever sting.

Hacker group who asked Sony for $2M worth of BTC but Sony refused to comply.

 

[FrankWza]

PS4 game vs PS5 exclusive game (when PS5 was basically impossible to buy)

You do the math

Yup. This is why crossgen exists. Demand for new Sony consoles is too high to meet. Even if the splits are 70-30 that 30% at $49.99-$69.99 matters

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Not with first games. Nintendo wasn’t selling 30 million copies of Zelda before.

Absolute shit show from Sony here. If they expect new IP to hit 10 million out of the gate then lol

Two key ingredients you missed...

Zelda games were cheaper to make on the Wii and WiiU.

Zelda games rarely go on discount meaning that 6 million copies is worth substantially more than for Nintendo.

Zelda games always had significantly better roi.

New IP hits 10 million out of the gate all the time. Got to be open world though.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Looking at the chart:

-Both Days Gone and Bloodborne had actually very good PPUs (profit per units) coupled with long legs. TLOU 2 had a great PPU too.
-Until Dawn and Horizon mostly sold at discount.
-Ghost of Tsushima is likely their biggest budget to net profit ratio (if the 60 million USD budget is true), no wonder why its a game that stores tend to not offer discounts like they do with the rest.

The chart shows Net Sales per game, not Net profit per game.

 

[kiphalfton]

The greatest leak of all time. insane sales for Days gone and DriveClub. I dont understand Sony.

Guess Sony doesn't see it the same way.

 

[Woopah]

When the document with engagement numbers will leak?

We need the really important data here.

It already has, showing number of players and average player time.

Sorry bro but these are mostly PS4 era sales. Pre 2022.

Latest figures from Sony's own fiscal year reports state that the digital split is now 75% for their first party games.

Do you have a link to the bolded?

 

[The artful mincer]

Damn at Ghost of Tsushima!

Look at it's revenue it's nearly as high as Horizon despite not selling half as many copies.

That's a Golden Franchise now up there with God of war and The Last of Us.

 

[SlimySnake]

Wait, that doesn't make sense since we know from their latest report that the digital split is 67% for software that sells both physically and digitally (3P + 1P). Don't have the 1st party split on hand but surely it's not 75%?

i recall seeing the 75% figure recently. maybe it was 67% and i misremembered.

 

[leo-j]

Some of these sold waaaay more than I thought. 7M of Days Gone and they didn’t want to make a sequel?

I think the dev said most of its sales were at a discounted price, selling 4-5 million copies at $20 a pop doesn’t make a big return ? Idk but the game running on ps4 pro/5 at 60 fps 1440-2160p played so well I was shocked the game reviewed as badly as it did.

 

[Gaiff]

Does the net sales column include the cut to the retailer? I assume it does.

 

[ProtoByte]

Nothing confusing about any of this. The Driveclub studios was not under Sony's jurisdiction, and neither is Fromsoftware. Are we really that mournful of no Bloodborne stuff with as many From games and from wannabees we get?

As for Days Gone, I'm sorry, but the game really wasn't all that. The game was price dropped quicker than any recent 1st party game I can remember for a reason. Before and after release, before the politics came out in full force and the creatives did their woe is me routine, no one was capping for it like that. One second you guys want new IP, the next you want sequels to mediocrity. Well, Bend is doing a new IP that probably isn't going to retread aspects of TLOU this time.

 

[The artful mincer]

People look at the revenue on the right! That's alot more important than unit sales.

We can really see what are the premier franchises based on that

 

[demigod]

Look at those digital splits Thick Thighs Save Lives rofif And all my other physical brothers, so much for this being the last gen with discs.

You got s in the Alan Wake 2 thread arguing with me that physical is dead and wouldn’t help sales. Where yall at adamsapple and Alan Wake .

 

[Aenima]

Horizon outsold TLOU huge surprise to me.

It did not. Thats TLOU PS4 version. When you combine the PS3 version the total of TLOU copies are way higher.

Almost 13 million for GT Sport, 12.7m sold. Last oficial info i think was about 8 million players, some years ago. Pretty good for a game that released barebones and had weak sales at the start.

 

[Hypereides]

Who or what the fuck is leaking all of this?

Also shitcanning any chance of a Days Gone sequel will forever sting.

Rhysida

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www.sentinelone.com

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

i recall seeing the 75% figure recently. maybe it was 67% and i misremembered.

The thing is that the split has remained mostly unchanged for some time now, and even lowered a bit in favor of physical post-pandemic. Anyway, physical is not really dying like some people on the interwebz proclaim, or if it is it's a rather slow one (on Sony and Nintendo consoles), which means PS6 will most likely come with a disc drive.

 

[rhodesianshepard]

So Days Gone sold way better than Death Stranding, but Bend was not allowed to make a sequel but Kojima got his bag?

Days Gone went through development hell. It took 6 years to release and when it did it was a buggy mess. DS took 3.5 years development time with a brand new studio led by Kojima. For investment in future projects, Sony betting on Kojima over Bend studios in 2019 makes complete sense

 

[jm89]

Days gone hordes had so much potential to be much more, and the fact that the game actually sold well, it's a shambles sony have dumped the IP.

What are they smoking.

 

[Amish Prince]

Ghost of Tsushima is probably their biggest net profit for a new IP.

Well yeah. Suckerpunch put that game together in like 3/4 actual dev years at most. Unlike some Sony first party studios that have twice the staff and have 5/6/7 year dev cycles lol

 

[Dane]

The chart shows Net Sales per game, not Net profit per game.

Net Sales in millions of USD at the right.

 

[nial]

Why is everyone forgetting the fact that Death Stranding, a new IP that only sold 4 million units, is getting a sequel?

 

[Magic Carpet]

Robot Dino's beat out Drama Zombies.
Aloy should be in all games going forward.

 

[BennyBlanco]

now all the righteous indignation from the ex Bend guys about Days Gone not getting a sequel makes sense.

I wasn’t a huge DG fan but if they’re really making a fucking Uncharted spinoff I would’ve rather seen how a DG sequel turned out.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

No Forbidden West sales numbers?

 

[Shifty1897]

Some of these games went on sale for $10-15 later in their lives, which makes 5-7 mil in sales less impressive.

 

[Robb]

I think the dev said most of its sales were at a discounted price, selling 4-5 million copies at $20 a pop doesn’t make a big return ? Idk but the game running on ps4 pro/5 at 60 fps 1440-2160p played so well I was shocked the game reviewed as badly as it did.

Yeah I guess it just became a money issue.. But still, even if it reached these numbers at a discount that’s a LOT of exposure for a brand new IP.

 

[SlimySnake]

Well yeah. Suckerpunch put that game together in like 3/4 actual dev years at most. Unlike some Sony first party studios that have twice the staff and have 5/6/7 year dev cycles lol

Infamous Second son came out in March 2014.

Their next game released in july of 2020. They literally took 6 years and 4 months. Longer than GG, SSM, ND, Insomniac, PD, Evo Studios, and well everyone other than Sony Bend who took 7 years to make Days Gone.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It was "problematic" according to some reviewers (Sony is very woke since then) plus metacritic wasn't very high.

Buy yeah, they could make sequel that would be better in every way (like Uncharted 2) and sell millions.

And if the retards actually paid attention to the game, instead of being the bigoted trash NPCs they are in life, they would have noticed the game was pretty damned progressive for a 1%er biker stereotype. But no, they complained about the gruff white male commenting on his GF/Wife's ass.

 

[rofif]

Look at those digital splits Thick Thighs Save Lives rofif And all my other physical brothers, so much for this being the last gen with discs.

That's what I thought!
3rd party and indies? maybe more on digital.

But day1 big fucking games? Of course people prefer god of war on a freaking disc with goodies too.

Death Stranding sold much better than I expected too! ALmost 5 mil!

 

[Fake]

It did not. Thats TLOU PS4 version. When you combine the PS3 version the total of TLOU copies are way higher.

Almost 13 million for GT Sport, 12.7m sold. Last oficial info i think was about 8 million players, some years ago. Pretty good for a game that released barebones and had weak sales at the start.

But where is the indication of the combine sales?

The last sales chart leak was indeed separeting the remaster from the base game, so that sales numbers are probably PS4 version alone.

 

[bender]

Exactly. And the RoI from Bloodborne wasn't deemed high enough to greenlight a sequel.

It's just simple math.

Too many people are willing to believe untrue things just because they personally liked a game.

And some of those people like Days Gone.

 

[Withnail]

So Days Gone sold way better than Death Stranding, but Bend was not allowed to make a sequel but Kojima got his bag?

It’s almost as if greenlighting a game is based on more than just what the previous game sold

 

[SlimySnake]

No Forbidden West sales numbers?

Leak is from before Feb 2023.

And if the retards actually paid attention to the game, instead of being the bigoted trash NPCs they are in life, they would have noticed the game was pretty damned progressive for a 1%er biker stereotype. But no, they complained about the gruff white male commenting on his GF/Wife's ass.

yep. there was an interracial lesbian couple. black bikers. Indian love interest. And even christain zealots as the main bad guy.

but nooo, a man staring at his wife's ass is too much for west coast based critics who have probably never had sex with a woman.

 

[adamsapple]

You got s in the Alan Wake 2 thread arguing with me that physical is dead and wouldn’t help sales. Where yall at adamsapple and Alan Wake .

 

[Blood Borne]

This has to be fake. Gran Turismo Sport didn’t sell 13 million copies

Gran Turismo Celebrates 25th Anniversary with 90 Million Copies Sold

Polyphony Digital has released a special announcement marking the 25th anniversary of the Gran Turismo series, revealing that more than 90 million copies of Gran Turismo games have made their way into players' hands thus far. The official 25th anniversary of Gran Turismo is Friday, December 23, m

www.gtplanet.net

 

[SlimySnake]

So Days Gone sold way better than Death Stranding, but Bend was not allowed to make a sequel but Kojima got his bag?

Days Gone 2 was rejected by studio heads over at Bend. not Sony themselves.

Kojima was contractually obligated to make Death Stranding 2. He signed on to make two Death Stranding games back in 2015.

 

[Hypereides]

Jimbo is going anyway and Hulst has given us fuck all but safe sequels of late.

So yes, fire him.

One might say, its time to holster... The Hulst.

Spoiler: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH

 

[Godot25]

It’s almost as if greenlighting a game is based on more than just what the previous game sold

Yeah. Forcing Bend to work on The Last of Us Online which was now cancelled was way better use of their time...

 

[GHG]

This has to be fake. Gran Turismo Sport didn’t sell 13 million copies

Gran Turismo Celebrates 25th Anniversary with 90 Million Copies Sold

Polyphony Digital has released a special announcement marking the 25th anniversary of the Gran Turismo series, revealing that more than 90 million copies of Gran Turismo games have made their way into players' hands thus far. The official 25th anniversary of Gran Turismo is Friday, December 23, m

www.gtplanet.net

GT Sport sold 8m as of the end of 2019.