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Verge: MS launching Hi-Fi Rush and Pentiment on other platforms, Sea of Thieves later in 2024

avin

Member
It looks like they're dipping a toe in, and the reception of these initial games will determine what they then think to try. I have no idea what their endgame is, and I'd guess they don't either.

avin
 
Ironically enough, MS would benefit from financial perspective in releasing titles like Starfield titles on PS5 more than the smaller games.

Xbox audience can’t support modern AAA dev costs as it just can’t recoup the dev and there aren’t enough GamePass users to subsidize it. There is still Steam as a wild card, but even that may not be enough to offset $300mil dev and marketing budgets.

On the other hand releasing these sorts of titles on PS5 could damage the brand from perspective of “Why should I buy an Xbox” side.

It’s going to be fascinating to see what Microsoft and its Gaming side management do over this year. IMO, whatever occurs Thursday, MS is going to be watching for reactions, sales, etc and responding pretty quickly.

Also, I wonder if adorably digital XSX replacement is still going forward.

Well if you can bring forward some compelling software packages then launching on a much larger userbase such as the PlayStation and Nintendo community makes a lot of sense.

But you'd need to fully invested in the software division and abandon the hardware altogether. Seems to me that their end goal could be to have Xbox on all devices. This is definitely Satya's baby. Phil is just the nanny.
 

jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
Microsoft bringing their games to other platforms without gamepass would be pretty fucking funny.
Remember how many Xbox fans argued MS wont put games anywhere that doesnt have Game Pass?

"If Sony wants CoD they need to allow Game Pass on PlayStation"

Fun times.

Hell, maybe that's gonna be revealed Thursday. I doubt it but it would be wild.

This is obviously just the cautious beginning.
Of course.

"The first two games" says it all.

I just wonder are they gonna be more consistent than Sony and PC ports....

MLB The Show isnt on PC.

Demon's Souls, GoT...IIRC were from the Nvidia leak. Nothing.
 
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How the heck is this what you comprehend from that tweet?
Where does that say or imply increased Xbox console sales?

Happy Cracking Up GIF by Regal
Can't you read?

Protip: read the tweet above Tom's.
 

jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
If this was a "super smart move" from Microsoft, they would have done it waaay sooner. lol

Thank you.

And someone said Sony shills were gonna start new narratives.....

Please.

Like that one post about the Xbox OEMs rumor could be a way for PS games to be on Xbox.

There are new narratives....and its coming from Xbox land.
 
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sendit

Member
So the game with the highest “player engagement” and a game with “overwhelmingly positive” reception is going to competing consoles. Makes sense from a business perspective.

Starting from the top down.
 
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If this was a "super smart move" from Microsoft, they would have done it waaay sooner. lol

Agreed. This is more of a "We spent billions of dollars on developers and two ENTIRE publishers and realized our ROI was gonna be found severely wanting".

Starfield(will it or won't it be ported aside) was their test of whether or not they could make any kind of headway by snaking a game and going exclusive to gain ground.

Once it failed to do so, I'd imagine Bethesda had much to say about lost revenue if they'd been allowed to be multiplatform(quality of Starfield aside). I've read some rumors about them not being happy about being made to go exclusive.
 

Topher

Gold Member
If this was a "super smart move" from Microsoft, they would have done it waaay sooner. lol

In their defense, there is no way Microsoft could see how this generation was going to go. Phil Spencer thought Xbox Series was going to beat PS5. Took a while before they realized things were not going to turn around for Xbox.
 

jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
People made that argument, but not with CoD

Lets not forget how some ppl were acting before the anti trust investigation. As in the day and the few weeks after the acquisition was announced. It took the investigation for some to realize...shit...CoD wont be exclusive.

Many of us said when the acquisition was announced money talks and MS would be fools to make it exclusive.

The anti trust investigation did help make some ppl think more logically. Some....lol.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
I've heard that theory before but don't think I buy it. Seems like something that comes from folks who are trying to rationalize Sony games on PC more than an actual strategy for Sony.
I remember Mike saying whenever PS started porting games to PC that for a relatively small investment it was free money for Sony and might get some interested in the console who wasn’t prior

So likely some bean counter ran it up the pole and some suit saw dollars
 

Topher

Gold Member
I remember Mike saying whenever PS started porting games to PC that for a relatively small investment it was free money for Sony and might get some interested in the console who wasn’t prior

So likely some bean counter ran it up the pole and some suit saw dollars

Yeah, I can see that as a pitch being thrown out as justifying the strategy. Definitely secondary to cashing in on another platform, however.
 

BlackTron

Member
In their defense, there is no way Microsoft could see how this generation was going to go. Phil Spencer thought Xbox Series was going to beat PS5. Took a while before they realized things were not going to turn around for Xbox.
I'm skeptical that he would bet they could beat PS5 with Series, but for sure he did not expect to lose so bad that they internally argue over why TF they even have Xbox at all.
 

ADiTAR

ידע זה כוח
In their defense, there is no way Microsoft could see how this generation was going to go. Phil Spencer thought Xbox Series was going to beat PS5. Took a while before they realized things were not going to turn around for Xbox.
Didn't he had this interview where he said they were already at a huge disadvantage from Xbox One era, the one from Kinda Funny. And it's not like they course correct anything.
 

Topher

Gold Member
I'm skeptical that he would bet they could beat PS5 with Series, but for sure he did not expect to lose so bad that they internally argue over why TF they even have Xbox at all.

He told Nadella that they had the "ingredients for a winning plan". He sounded very confident to me. He didn't come out and say they were going to win, but I think he definitely believed they could.

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Didn't he had this interview where he said they were already at a huge disadvantage from Xbox One era, the one from Kinda Funny. And it's not like they course correct anything.

Yeah, his tune changed dramatically after reality set in.
 
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bender

What time is it?
In their defense, there is no way Microsoft could see how this generation was going to go. Phil Spencer thought Xbox Series was going to beat PS5. Took a while before they realized things were not going to turn around for Xbox.

That's no defense of Microsoft as Phil, or anyone really, should have known there was next to no chance of Series beating PS5.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
He told Nadella that they had the "ingredients for a winning plan". He sounded very confident to me. He didn't come out and say they were going to win, but I think he definitely believed they could.

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Yeah, his tune changed dramatically after reality set in.
They and I mean Ybarra and Spencer really thought they were on track to relive the 360 days

I heard it often and honestly listening to them talk in a non pr type of way, like you do with friends at a bar, I really bought into it as well.
 

BlackTron

Member
He told Nadella that they had the "ingredients for a winning plan". He sounded very confident to me. He didn't come out and say they were going to win, but I think he definitely believed they could.

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Yeah, his tune changed dramatically after reality set in.

Oh yeah, I remember this. It stings even worse because this is his reaction to the PS5 reveal. The reply email is even better though.
 

Topher

Gold Member
They and I mean Ybarra and Spencer really thought they were on track to relive the 360 days

I heard it often and honestly listening to them talk in a non pr type of way, like you do with friends at a bar, I really bought into it as well.

I don't think those guys would have the jobs they do without an overabundance of confidence and swagger. Read that email and Phil Spencer even says he was warned about being too cocky by the Board of Directors.
 

ZehDon

Gold Member
There is nothing "super smart" about being forced to find other avenues for revenue streams by opening the door to your "exclusives." It's a natural state of things when it that position.
Considering Hi-Fi Rush was shadow dropped, Pentiment is the niche game of niche games, and Sea of Thieves is Rare's most successful game, I'm not sure Microsoft were "forced" anymore than Sony were "forced" to release Helldivers II on Steam. Based solely on this rumour, I see the sum of a simple calculation. Sony release their GaaS titles as multiplatform - why? It's gives those titles the strongest possible player base, a necessity for multiplayer GaaS titles. With SoT, Microsoft may be following that lead. With Pentiment and HiFi Rush, I see titles that aren't driving platform adoption moving to other platforms. Again, Sony are already doing this in the PC space with their heavy hitters, but it's been happening with titles previously associated with their platform for a while. At this point, I'd imagine every GaaS title - like Halo Infinite's F2P multiplayer - have also been considered.

Once the official podcast (seriously?) drops, if we see Xbox lining up major non-GaaS exclusives for PlayStation release, such as Starfield, that's when I'd say Pappa Microsoft told Phil he has to pay off those acquisitions, and selling Series S for pennies just ain't mathing. But, based on this rumour and the insiders walking back their clickbait, I'm not seeing the gun to Spencer's head just yet.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
They are starting small like Sony on PlayStation pC, just a matter of time until Halo is on PlayStation
It's Xbox's master plan.
While Sony is busy porting games to PC and earning what MS spends on toilet paper from it, they'll utilise Sony's platform to actually earn a shit load of money and build a fanbase.
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HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
I don't think those guys would have the jobs they do without an overabundance of confidence and swagger. Read that email and Phil Spencer even says he was warned about being too cocky by the Board of Directors.
That email echos what I have said many times here how Ybarra and Jason Ronald openly chuckled about the PS5 specs and even after 12 hours Phil really downplaying the PS5 specs, Cerny kicked all their butts
 

BlackTron

Member
I don't think those guys would have the jobs they do without an overabundance of confidence and swagger. Read that email and Phil Spencer even says he was warned about being too cocky by the Board of Directors.

He started the day stressed but literally felt so confident from the PS5 reveal that he emailed his boss while bringing up being warned about being overconfident. I'm impressed
 

BlackTron

Member
That email echos what I have said many times here how Ybarra and Jason Ronald openly chuckled about the PS5 specs and even after 12 hours Phil really downplaying the PS5 specs, Cerny kicked all their butts
It was an interesting time on this forum for sure. We had this toss up of better specs vs SSD. The SSD didn't make that big of a difference and PS5 won anyway because turns out the Xbox specs weren't actually better.
 

mrqs

Member
He told Nadella that they had the "ingredients for a winning plan". He sounded very confident to me. He didn't come out and say they were going to win, but I think he definitely believed they could.

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Yeah, his tune changed dramatically after reality set in.
Honestly, I know it's just a multi-trillion dollar company, but this is heart-crushing. The frustration of it not working out must be super stressful.
 

DryvBy

Member
Your line of thinking makes no sense .. they're not holding a podcast just to announce 3 ports. They'll most likely be discussing the future of the brand, if there's any disc-less SKU coming soon or possibly when and what the next gen window might start. If they just wanted to announce the ports, this is a simple news-wire blog post ala Ori 2.

Then Phil and Co is even dumber than I thought if what you're saying is correct. A quick tweet could have squashed the rumors that's caused fans to want to bail on them.

I've said this before. There's no way we're going to hear the truth this week, and there's no way they looked at the past holidays sales and thought everything is fine. Even Gamepass isn't anywhere near where they want it to be.

They are going to give a few examples, say "case by case", and talk up how great Xbox is to play at with some internal changes. And this is the best case scenario for Xbox fans.
 

reinking

Gold Member
They and I mean Ybarra and Spencer really thought they were on track to relive the 360 days

I heard it often and honestly listening to them talk in a non pr type of way, like you do with friends at a bar, I really bought into it as well.
I think they had a great system with the XBSX and they thought they had Halo Infinite. I would have been confident too.

I believe Xbox pays too much attention to Sony and Phil's email kind of makes that point for me. They always seem focused on "beating Sony." Perhaps some of that focus should have been directed internally and on what shape Halo Infinite was really in. What other software could they acquire, even third party, to come up with a stronger launch line up? Basically, focus on being a better Xbox. Instead, they thought they could buy customers with Game Pass and then they shifted to buying up studios. Some day they will get it, the majority of customers don't like being bought or bs'ed. We just want good games.

*edit -I did not mean to rant, I do get annoyed when I think about what could have been.
 
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TheBomb

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He's right though, I disliked HiFi Rush and yet have to play more of Pentiment, but those seem to be games that received critics and players good feedbacks but sadly just a few people played those, bringing those games to different systems is a great things.

Great for PS5 players who get new good games, great for MS who can say "look our studios can produce good things", good for the devs because they dev games so they can be played and enjoyed... I don't see anything wrong here.
I agree, but big titles needed to make money. Those supposedly announced this week will be curious buys. That’s it. That’s how I feel.
 

MarkMe2525

Member
These people sell themselves as analysts, pundits, and experts on the theme.

One of the main issues with this drama is the lack of critical thinking coming from people like this. They just repeat marketing/narrative speech.

'Consoles Sales don't matter'
Narrative: It must be true. Consoles are obsolete, and MS's ambition goes beyond these irrelevant plastic boxes.

'Viral Marketing with Game Pass, increase in sales'
Narrative: People playing on Game Pass will tell their friends to play x, y game, and more people will end up buying games.

"MS buying ABK"
Narrative: Good for gaming. AB games coming out day one on Game Pass, back catalog, dormant IP will make a return. Microsoft will fix AB, etc.

Lets remember another clown:
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After reading the tweet you were responding too, I believe you were disagreeing with the idea that "Xbox bringing more games to other platforms will get more people on Xbox", and not "Tom claiming that he thought ""the move was smart"" generally speaking." That was my mistake. I will clarify that I also don't agree with the initial tweet that said " making underdog games available on other platforms will bring more players on xbox". I don't think this is going to necessarily hurt their hardware business, but it absolutely won't help it. In saying that, I would not normally classify predictions or someone's opinions as "spin".

I do agree with Tom that MS bringing more games to traditionally rival platforms, is smart move for their business. MS bringing games to as many platforms as possible is their best bet at driving more revenue and more importantly, profit. The more games they sell, the healthier the division is, naturally. Hopefully this leads to continued investment into more core games and hardware for their Xbox and Gamepass customers, which I am.

You kind of just threw a bunch of random and out of context paraphrased things at me, that maybe Tom or other people have said, in response to my question. I see those phrases used often (mostly out of context or the "quote" is incomplete) in defense of or against Xbox, so I wanted to talk about them. I personally don't agree with the way that they were framed in your post.

The first "quote" is just mischaracterizing MS evolving strategy and the subsequent coverage it receives. MS exploring avenues to reduce their dependency on consoles to generate revenue and making those avenues "central pillars" of their business model, does not equal "consoles obsolete". It makes sense for them to try to expand as well, there console business hasn't exactly been on fire for the past decade. Also quoted was "MS's ambition goes beyond these irrelevant plastic boxes." Which (minus the hyperbole) is 100% plain as day obviously true. MS backs this idea up, by releasing EVERY 1st party developed game on PC, supporting Gamepass on PC, and bringing xcloud to an ever-increasing number of devices. Not to mention spending 68 billion to acquire a foothold within the mobile space, as well as shepherd and support some of the largest multiplatform games on the planet. Back in 2015, I would have agreed that MS shied away from releasing sales figures to shield themselves from criticism regarding the Xb1 lagging behind in sales, but it is a completely different story today, 9 years later.

The second quote is commonly used out of context or is incomplete. I remember the original article that kicked up this debate that many misused in defense of gamepass or against gamepass. The claim was never that all games that come to Gamepass see an increase in sales (oddly I see this claim often being incorrectly used in attack against gamepass, where it is framed as some lie MS spreads). It did state that Gamepass could increase sales of specific games that fit in a few different scenarios. The article stated that "games in gamepass, that had an upcoming sequel, saw a 25% increase in pre-orders on average" and that a game in Gamepass "increased franchise wide sales by 10% on average". Also, multiplatform indie games with small marketing budgets could see a large lift in sales due to increased exposure, similar to how "Rocket League" blew up so quick due to its release on PS Plus.

I'm already tired of typing so I'll just say that the 3rd quote is still to early to call. I think it's reasonable for some to predict that all or most of those things mentioned will happen, and some to predict that they won't. I would not classify dissenting opinions and predictions as "spin" or inherently negative . As far as the Patcher quote, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Patcher has said all kinds of things throughout the years, such as "Playstation is DOOMED" "PC players are the reason for Anthems bad reception", "WarCraft's growth will stall in 2005". Again, what he does is not "spin", it's manufactured click bait.
 

bender

What time is it?
After reading the tweet you were responding too, I believe you were disagreeing with the idea that "Xbox bringing more games to other platforms will get more people on Xbox", and not "Tom claiming that he thought ""the move was smart"" generally speaking." That was my mistake. I will clarify that I also don't agree with the initial tweet that said " making underdog games available on other platforms will bring more players on xbox". I don't think this is going to necessarily hurt their hardware business, but it absolutely won't help it. In saying that, I would not normally classify predictions or someone's opinions as "spin".

I do agree with Tom that MS bringing more games to traditionally rival platforms, is smart move for their business. MS bringing games to as many platforms as possible is their best bet at driving more revenue and more importantly, profit. The more games they sell, the healthier the division is, naturally. Hopefully this leads to continued investment into more core games and hardware for their Xbox and Gamepass customers, which I am.

You kind of just threw a bunch of random and out of context paraphrased things at me, that maybe Tom or other people have said, in response to my question. I see those phrases used often (mostly out of context or the "quote" is incomplete) in defense of or against Xbox, so I wanted to talk about them. I personally don't agree with the way that they were framed in your post.

The first "quote" is just mischaracterizing MS evolving strategy and the subsequent coverage it receives. MS exploring avenues to reduce their dependency on consoles to generate revenue and making those avenues "central pillars" of their business model, does not equal "consoles obsolete". It makes sense for them to try to expand as well, there console business hasn't exactly been on fire for the past decade. Also quoted was "MS's ambition goes beyond these irrelevant plastic boxes." Which (minus the hyperbole) is 100% plain as day obviously true. MS backs this idea up, by releasing EVERY 1st party developed game on PC, supporting Gamepass on PC, and bringing xcloud to an ever-increasing number of devices. Not to mention spending 68 billion to acquire a foothold within the mobile space, as well as shepherd and support some of the largest multiplatform games on the planet. Back in 2015, I would have agreed that MS shied away from releasing sales figures to shield themselves from criticism regarding the Xb1 lagging behind in sales, but it is a completely different story today, 9 years later.

The second quote is commonly used out of context or is incomplete. I remember the original article that kicked up this debate that many misused in defense of gamepass or against gamepass. The claim was never that all games that come to Gamepass see an increase in sales (oddly I see this claim often being incorrectly used in attack against gamepass, where it is framed as some lie MS spreads). It did state that Gamepass could increase sales of specific games that fit in a few different scenarios. The article stated that "games in gamepass, that had an upcoming sequel, saw a 25% increase in pre-orders on average" and that a game in Gamepass "increased franchise wide sales by 10% on average". Also, multiplatform indie games with small marketing budgets could see a large lift in sales due to increased exposure, similar to how "Rocket League" blew up so quick due to its release on PS Plus.

I'm already tired of typing so I'll just say that the 3rd quote is still to early to call. I think it's reasonable for some to predict that all or most of those things mentioned will happen, and some to predict that they won't. I would not classify dissenting opinions and predictions as "spin" or inherently negative . As far as the Patcher quote, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Patcher has said all kinds of things throughout the years, such as "Playstation is DOOMED" "PC players are the reason for Anthems bad reception", "WarCraft's growth will stall in 2005". Again, what he does is not "spin", it's manufactured click bait.

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diffusionx

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They're obviously not going to stop with just these games, especially if they find a stronger audience on the other platforms (which is highly likely). I wouldn't be surprised if we see Shitfinite and Starfield on PS before the end of the year.
 
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