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Kokoloko85
Member
Yeah they are entitled to that.
I dont know much about the company/individual/s, heard they are making money off the emulator Yuzu, which might be dodgy on its own
Kumomeme
Member
from what i see, they are should very well aware the role of emulation. it is for preservation and even the emulator itself required certain original file(like prod key) from console and rip the game from the game card to function. basically the user still need to own Switch console and even bought the game to play. i dont remember any action taken toward to Visualboy, Desmume, Citra, Dolphin etc.
however the issue is the piracy scene as whole. there is people rip the game and even the prod key for free. this group of people is the one that they should chase, not the creator of the emulator itself as these stuff also fueled other emulators like Ryuujinx.
but perhaps it is more troublesome chasing all those pirates secattered everywhere so they might think it is better just to try cut the 'snake' head which is in this case most popular Switch emulator out there, Yuzu.
perhaps it is also something related to paid content on the creator's patreon on their case and the emulator become very popular, reaching certain numbers that the company cant turn their blind eye anymore.
we will see how it turn out.
however the issue is the piracy scene as whole. there is people rip the game and even the prod key for free. this group of people is the one that they should chase, not the creator of the emulator itself as these stuff also fueled other emulators like Ryuujinx.
but perhaps it is more troublesome chasing all those pirates secattered everywhere so they might think it is better just to try cut the 'snake' head which is in this case most popular Switch emulator out there, Yuzu.
perhaps it is also something related to paid content on the creator's patreon on their case and the emulator become very popular, reaching certain numbers that the company cant turn their blind eye anymore.
we will see how it turn out.
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nkarafo
Member
So?
There are more things in that chain of events.
1. The people who dump and upload pirated copies.
2. The sites that host these copies.
3. The people who download the pirated copies without owning the originals.
4. The emulator that runs these copies.
1 these 4 is not illegal. The other 3 are. Guess which one Nintendo is after.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
its the easiest way to stop piracy.
Topher
Gold Member
This isn't a way to stop piracy at all. No more than suing makers of sports cars will stop speeding.
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Cyberpunkd
Member
Are we still pretending 1 million people played on emulator for the sake of game preservation or maybe because they just enjoy 60FPS? Difficult argument seeing how they did it before they were able to buy the game…
StueyDuck
Member
Topher
Gold Member
Not pretending anything. Just don't see how creating an emulator facilitates piracy. People pirate.
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nkarafo
Member
So if i stab you and the police can't find me are you going to sue the company who made the knife and make them remove their products from the shelves?
I mean, they can't find me so that's the easiest way to stop further stabbings am i right? Doesn't matter who's at fault here, only who is the easiest to find.
Also, you are very naive if you think this will stop piracy. People can still mod their Switch and play pirated copies on it.
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Cyberpunkd
Member
hinch7
Member
This is always a daft take. It doesn't matter how many times something has been downloaded, high chances are that pirates were never going to buy it anyways.. so its all moot point. I guess Nintendo want to scare off emulation developers before the launch of the Switch 2.
Skirting around copyright protection though, is where Nintendo has some grounds. Would suck if we lost Yuzu.
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Pejo
Member
Man I've been reading stuff about this all day and the only thing I know for certain is that most gamers have no fucking idea how the law works. Even the ones that "claim" to be lawyers. The thread on Reddit on this topic is just full of contradictions back to back. I guess some Article 1201 of the DMCA seems to be the sticking point as to why Nintendo thinks they have a leg to stand on when previous emulator lawsuits lost.
Basically its the issue that Yuzu, just to function, depends on circumventing a digital protection (the bios 'passcode' that you have to rip from your own Switch to allow it to play games). This makes it illegal according to DMCA, regardless of any of the other stuff. The fact that they profit from it, or any of the other FUD around this issue seems to not matter by comparison to this fact. That's what I've come to understand after sifting through tons and tons of garbage information and misinformation.
Old emulators were not susceptible to this because they didn't have to circumvent protections to get the emulator to run the games, according to "lawyers" on reddit.
Basically its the issue that Yuzu, just to function, depends on circumventing a digital protection (the bios 'passcode' that you have to rip from your own Switch to allow it to play games). This makes it illegal according to DMCA, regardless of any of the other stuff. The fact that they profit from it, or any of the other FUD around this issue seems to not matter by comparison to this fact. That's what I've come to understand after sifting through tons and tons of garbage information and misinformation.
Old emulators were not susceptible to this because they didn't have to circumvent protections to get the emulator to run the games, according to "lawyers" on reddit.
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Topher
Gold Member
Yes, but if it’s not a PC game originally you need an emulator to run it on a PC.
And what you just described automatically means piracy.....
No....it doesn't
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Cyberpunkd
Member
Topher
Gold Member
No, but it FACILITATES it.
No, it doesn't. The act of piracy is not easier because of an emulator. In fact, an emulator is not even needed for someone to be guilty of piracy. Heck, some emulators will emulate the game running off the original disc.
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nkarafo
Member
No, but it FACILITATES it.
Nope. The existence of an emulator has zero effect in the process or copying a game. It doesn't make dumping, decrypting, hacking, etc any easier at all. There are also other ways to play these pirated dumps so even if the emulator didn't exist, nothing would change.
Red5
Member
No, but it FACILITATES it.
The hardest part is dumping ROMs from the DVD's, decrypting them and getting the console BIOS which usually requires hardware.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
nkarafo
Member
Also
Cyberpunkd
, here's a fun fact: People dump and distribute pirated copies of games decades before an emulator even exist for those games. There are tons of arcade game dumps that have never been emulated in MAME or any other emulator yet. Systems like the Jaguar CD, the Nuon, Philips CDi, had already their whole library dumped and easily obtained online before any emulator existed and for some they still don't exist. And games for modern systems like the PS4, PS5, etc are all dumped as well, before any emulator is available to play them.
So how exactly does an emulator that doesn't exist makes the process of pirating a game easier?
Yer one of the Nintendo stock holders?
Cyberpunkd
, here's a fun fact: People dump and distribute pirated copies of games decades before an emulator even exist for those games. There are tons of arcade game dumps that have never been emulated in MAME or any other emulator yet. Systems like the Jaguar CD, the Nuon, Philips CDi, had already their whole library dumped and easily obtained online before any emulator existed and for some they still don't exist. And games for modern systems like the PS4, PS5, etc are all dumped as well, before any emulator is available to play them.So how exactly does an emulator that doesn't exist makes the process of pirating a game easier?
yer one of the crew members?
Yer one of the Nintendo stock holders?
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Seeing people people defend Nintendo on this is a real mask-off moment. I feel like people needed to be reminded of some things:
- Nintendo does not care about you or any of their "fans". They won't notice you defending them online.
- Emulation is the only way to play a large portion of Nintendo's library without hunting down original hardware and original copies of the game, or hacking those old systems and pirating the games through whatever method is available for that particular system.
- Fan emulators have almost across-the-board provided better experiences than the ones developed by Nintendo. See the disaster that was N64 games on NSO for the most recent example
- Copyright/patent laws do not exist to make things better for the average person or to protect the artist/creator of a work. They exist to protect large corporations.
- The DMCA is a disastrous piece of legislation and should be repealed
- This isn't about Yuzu. This is about emulation in general. Nintendo will apply this precedent to Ryujinx, BSNES, etc. and will use it to shut them all down.
- Nothing stops Nintendo from putting their games on Steam.
- Nintendo made billions of dollars in profit last year. They've sold something like 140 million Switches since launch.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
fuck Nintendo for doing their own thing and protecting it?
Of course they were going to do that. It’s perfectly understandable.
Nintendo is the last console and game dev who stays there in the corer and does their own thing. As it should be. They don’t even need any competition so the only thing they have to fight with is piracy.
I don’t think many people pirate who would get the system otherwise. But sure as fuck the smallest group is original owners who dump their own games to play on pc. Sure as hell this almost doesn’t happen.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It’s not that simple.
This is just simple outside stuff. For all we know the emulator can just work on bunch of Nintendo patents and code.
and let’s be real. Nobody is dumping their games lol. It’s just a safe word to cover “not piracy”.
Although I still don’t think it’s taking away from real buying customers.
nkarafo
Member
They should fight piracy then. Why are they wasting everyone's time hunting emulators?
Here's another thing that doesn't happen: Pirates who can't pirate a game so they are now willing to buy it instead of trying some other free thing.
Still not the emulator's fault. That's whoever uploads pirated games and the sites that share them. Nintendo should focus on those. But no, lets go for the easy target, the only thing that isn't at fault.
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cinnamonandgravy
Member
like 99.999% of everyone else, i aint using my own dumped BIOS and stuff and neither are you
Bernardougf
Gold Member
What are the minimum requirements to run this emulator and get good resolution and 60fps ?.. I dont have a pc and dont plan to .. just curiosity
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Team Andromeda
Member
I'll say it again. Nintendo are SCUM.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
most people dont even buy nintendo games, they just pirating it.
Not an excuse to justify piracy
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Emulator is enabling all of this.
Nintendo doesn't have problem with people "dumping their own games"
nkarafo
Member
Btw folks, if you think Nintendo only wants to fight piracy here you are mistaken. They know piracy will still exist even if all emulators vanish tomorrow.
What Nintendo also wants is to fight homebrew emulators. They don't want them to exist because they undermine their own shitty services. And because they can't compete with them, they use the piracy argument to shut them down this way. Because if you think it's just about Yuzu, you are, again, mistaken. Yuzu is the easiest target because it's current, more popular, has a patreon page, runs modern games, etc so it's easier to make a case for it vs, say, Bsnes. But if they win, it will be open season for every other emulator that exists, which is what Nintendo is also after.
If Yuzu gets shut down more will follow, including ones for older systems.
Also, here's a fact, emulation is legal. Also it won't stop piracy if it gets shuts down.
What Nintendo also wants is to fight homebrew emulators. They don't want them to exist because they undermine their own shitty services. And because they can't compete with them, they use the piracy argument to shut them down this way. Because if you think it's just about Yuzu, you are, again, mistaken. Yuzu is the easiest target because it's current, more popular, has a patreon page, runs modern games, etc so it's easier to make a case for it vs, say, Bsnes. But if they win, it will be open season for every other emulator that exists, which is what Nintendo is also after.
If Yuzu gets shut down more will follow, including ones for older systems.
You do know modded switch consoles are a thing, yes?
Also, here's a fact, emulation is legal. Also it won't stop piracy if it gets shuts down.
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Astray
Member
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Nintendo can get to fuck.
Astray
Member
Let's get real about things. When game systems become part of "platforms", then the idea that emulation is "preservation" starts to suffer a bit.
Is emulating a PS4 game part of preserving the games in any way when it's all playable and purchasable on PS5 (and likely PS6)? Same goes for Xbox One games and the series consoles. Only delisted games are the ones getting preserved like this.
Also the more we head into digitalization, the more legally suspect the action of making copies of your games becomes, because you don't own the games, you own a license to play these games, which likely doesn't include a license to copy them.
I think we are getting closer and closer to gaming companies full-blown fighting emulation.
Is emulating a PS4 game part of preserving the games in any way when it's all playable and purchasable on PS5 (and likely PS6)? Same goes for Xbox One games and the series consoles. Only delisted games are the ones getting preserved like this.
Also the more we head into digitalization, the more legally suspect the action of making copies of your games becomes, because you don't own the games, you own a license to play these games, which likely doesn't include a license to copy them.
I think we are getting closer and closer to gaming companies full-blown fighting emulation.
hemo memo
Gold Member
How is that Yuzu’s fault? So if someone used a knife to commit a crime, the knife company can be sued?
cireza
Member
This definitely gives a good hint at what to expect with Switch 2.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
This is actually hitting the nail on the head, the timing is way way too suspicious.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Welcome to corporate lawsuits where if you are a big enough company you can use your money to bury someone in so much paperwork and legal fees to make the willing to strike an out of court deal with you. Legalised bullying, but do not worry it is all fine.
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hemo memo
Gold Member
You can't prove that and neither can Nintendo
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Fabieter
Member
You can check download numbers on popular websites. Another user mentioned that only 28 million switches can legally rip it. A significant percentage of that doesn't rip their games at all. No one here would admit to downloading ROMs illegally, though it's likely that some offended individuals engage in it. Nevertheless, just because it's predominantly used for piracy won't make a difference in court.