Frank the Great
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Halcyon said:
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The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
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hurray!
Tyrone Slothrop
Banned
i know it'd never happen, but if the original developers had time (yeah right) it'd be nice of them to go back and implement those two final dungeons they had to truncate from the game due to time restraints ... and add anything else that was originally supposed to be there. maybe implement some wii functions in there as well to make it more marketable.
Wind Waker: Special Edition, if you will
Wind Waker: Special Edition, if you will
Die Squirrel Die
Member
Tyrone Slothrop said:
Maybe when they release DS Advance with the equivalent power to the GC they can do that. Then for the sailing, easy one touch wind direction changing, hurray.
AdmiralViscen
Banned
Skies of Arcadia did the expansive overworld thing better, IMO. WW was disappointing for me.
I loved the gameplay and style, though.
I loved the gameplay and style, though.
TheGreatDave
Banned
It should have had a few more months development.
It was a fantastic game though. I still remember all the locations, and characters, so vividly. My only problem was the fortress level (Stealth FTL) and the Triforce shit.
It was a fantastic game though. I still remember all the locations, and characters, so vividly. My only problem was the fortress level (Stealth FTL) and the Triforce shit.
Xdrive05
Member
Cons:
- too few dungeons / uninspired dungeon design
- no exploring old Hyrule
- WAY too easy - (!!!!!!!!)
- sitting through the wind waker animation every time you changed the wind
- horrible character design for the humanoids (IMO, of course your mileage may vary)
- very little land to exlpore (I would LOVE this style put to use in a "dry" overworld)
- tedius sailing and having to change wind direction too much
- escort dungeons (same issue as changing wind direction - too many animations to sit through)
Pros:
+ much better story telling and character development (esp. Ganondorf) for the series
+ very slick presentation and production qualities
+ some great music (but a lot of misses as well)
+ very "alive" world with beatiful animation
+ captures a lot of the fun feelings from being a kid
+ attractive art style and graphics (again, IMO)
+ big adventure
+ very "epic" atmosphere, especially when you go underwater
+ really cool combat system (however easy)
+ NPC personalities
+ the ending confrontation (greatest moment in the series! you know what I mean.)
WW seemed to be knocking on the door of being a lot better than it actually turned out. But when it's all said and done, the game is just plain great. It has a lot of shortcomings, but what it does well it does very, very well.
- too few dungeons / uninspired dungeon design
- no exploring old Hyrule
- WAY too easy - (!!!!!!!!)
- sitting through the wind waker animation every time you changed the wind
- horrible character design for the humanoids (IMO, of course your mileage may vary)
- very little land to exlpore (I would LOVE this style put to use in a "dry" overworld)
- tedius sailing and having to change wind direction too much
- escort dungeons (same issue as changing wind direction - too many animations to sit through)
Pros:
+ much better story telling and character development (esp. Ganondorf) for the series
+ very slick presentation and production qualities
+ some great music (but a lot of misses as well)
+ very "alive" world with beatiful animation
+ captures a lot of the fun feelings from being a kid
+ attractive art style and graphics (again, IMO)
+ big adventure
+ very "epic" atmosphere, especially when you go underwater
+ really cool combat system (however easy)
+ NPC personalities
+ the ending confrontation (greatest moment in the series! you know what I mean.)
WW seemed to be knocking on the door of being a lot better than it actually turned out. But when it's all said and done, the game is just plain great. It has a lot of shortcomings, but what it does well it does very, very well.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
I LOVED Wind Waker despite the flaws already covered in this thread. Top noch art and animation in my eyes. I would love to see another Zelda using this art style. All Nintendo would have to do is cut the sailing/travel down add more dungeons and crank up the difficulty some and they'd have a GOTG.
Glad to see more Wind Waker love now.
Glad to see more Wind Waker love now.
There was a time I thought people would throw me stones for saying this.
I love Wind Waker, definetely my favourite. It may have design and content problems, and maybe is not as "perfect" as Ocarina of Time, but it´s still the most special game of the series and one of the games of this generation for me.
I love Wind Waker, definetely my favourite. It may have design and content problems, and maybe is not as "perfect" as Ocarina of Time, but it´s still the most special game of the series and one of the games of this generation for me.
I think WW was a good game, but underdeveloped. Setting the game in an ocean (flooded Hyrule) could have been brilliant, but EAD didn't take the concept past the "Link in a boat" stage. Even the sailing was poorly implemented, requiring the wand to change directions and making the sail take up an item slot. The dungeons, towns and other traditional Zelda elements were great though (although there weren't many of them considering how big the map was).
Yeah, SoA, unlike WW, really made the most out of its "ocean" setting. Hope that game gets a sequel someday.
AdmiralViscen said:
Yeah, SoA, unlike WW, really made the most out of its "ocean" setting. Hope that game gets a sequel someday.
Halcyon-banned
Banned
Xdrive05 said:
Good summary of the achievements and failures of the game. I agree with the better part of it.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
As much as I love the art style, atmosphere and overall mechanics, there were things making it a little impatience-driven. Wether that was the sailing, the animation, the fact that you couldn't play the windwaker faster as you could the ocarina, the endless "butterfly necklace"-like items in treasure chests, there were more than a couple of annoying things. The dungeon design was cool at times but also off mostly, a lot of them felt too linear and less "whole" than most Zelda dungeons are. I still enjoyed it and it's a great game, but not in the realm of Zelda games.
aparisi2274
Member
when I first saw the frozen Hyrule... I was in awe... Then when you remove the master sword and everything comes back to life... I was like, oh man!!!!
Christopher
Member
I love Zelda and didn't enjoy windwaker...I felt it was below par for a Zelda game.
You've listed the same gripes I had with the game.Xdrive05 said:
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I was extremely disappointed with WW... to the point where I actually lost all interest in the series. I never bothered to pick up four swords, and have barely glanced at the Twilight Princess trailers. I'll probably give it another shot this fall, and will hopefully fall in love all over again.
Systems_id
Banned
My only gripes about this game are that the dungeons aren't as well designed as they were in previous games, there were too few of them, and the irritating tri-force hunt. Everything else was spot on, especially the incredible boss battles.
brandonh83
Banned
D3VI0US said:
I think it's great, but could have been a lot better at the same time.
Slurpy2k20
Member
I actually played OOT AFTER i played WW (i sold my n64 before oot came out) and i still prefered OOT... mainly because it was a much more difficult game and much more fleshed out. Even the dated graphics couldn't bring it down below WW.
there was one moment at about the mid point of the wind waker where i was thinking to myself "omg this is the best game i've ever played" and then it started to go downhill... there was a slight upswing right at the end, but overall it was very uneven.. Still it was a beautifull game to look at, and it's a great game... just not up to the standards of zelda. It was just way too easy.
edit: not that zelda is know for extreme difficulty or anything, but i should at least be afraid of dying occasionally. I only died a few times through the whole game and most of those where on the last boss.
there was one moment at about the mid point of the wind waker where i was thinking to myself "omg this is the best game i've ever played" and then it started to go downhill... there was a slight upswing right at the end, but overall it was very uneven.. Still it was a beautifull game to look at, and it's a great game... just not up to the standards of zelda. It was just way too easy.
edit: not that zelda is know for extreme difficulty or anything, but i should at least be afraid of dying occasionally. I only died a few times through the whole game and most of those where on the last boss.
brandonh83
Banned
I actually still think Ocarina is beautiful. Not technically, exactly, but the landscapes, colors, weather, and mood are fucking stellar. I dare anyone to go into Zora's Domain and not get a great feeling from it, both visually and atmospherically.
Christopher
Member
D3VI0US said:
This is the fucking truth, accept it.
..pakbeka..
Member
Wind Waker would be perfect if there was 1 or 2 large continets, as big as the overworld of OOT at least, or if the second half of the game was in the submerged Hyrule, with dungens and all
and it would be nice if Link's expressions weren't limited to 5 different mouths
and it would be nice if Link's expressions weren't limited to 5 different mouths
Father_Brain
Banned
Wind Waker was a fantastic, gorgeous game. As excited as I am for Twilight Princess, it still bothers me somewhat that so much of the fanboy orgasming over the game at E3 2004 was motivated by idiotic, immature hatred for TWW's artstyle.
Anyway, while Wind Waker is, IMO, much better than OoT with respect to visuals, characters, art, story (the cutscenes before, during, and after the final boss battles - holy shit!), and (on-foot) gameplay, and while I didn't mind the endgame Triforce hunt as much as others seem to, I can't deny that the game had issues with structure, world design, and pacing that Ocarina didn't. Not to mention that there should have been at least three more dungeons. A brilliant game, no question, but it could have blown away OoT if EAD hadn't been forced to get the Japanese version out the door in time for the 2002 holidays.
Anyway, while Wind Waker is, IMO, much better than OoT with respect to visuals, characters, art, story (the cutscenes before, during, and after the final boss battles - holy shit!), and (on-foot) gameplay, and while I didn't mind the endgame Triforce hunt as much as others seem to, I can't deny that the game had issues with structure, world design, and pacing that Ocarina didn't. Not to mention that there should have been at least three more dungeons. A brilliant game, no question, but it could have blown away OoT if EAD hadn't been forced to get the Japanese version out the door in time for the 2002 holidays.
I actually just got done replaying this a few days ago. Still great fun.
The first time I went through it (late '03) I was enthralled by it, and really didn't mind the lack of dungeons. This time, however, it really stood out. The game does give you a generous amount of sidequests, though.
I didn't mind the one island per map square, but if they had only made a lot of the islands bigger, the game would have honestly felt more complete. The lack of dungeons argument still stands, of course.
The first time I went through it (late '03) I was enthralled by it, and really didn't mind the lack of dungeons. This time, however, it really stood out. The game does give you a generous amount of sidequests, though.
I didn't mind the one island per map square, but if they had only made a lot of the islands bigger, the game would have honestly felt more complete. The lack of dungeons argument still stands, of course.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
He was indeed. Zill rules.ocelittle said:
DrForester
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Man, the last battle in WInd Waker was so awsome. Just a sword fight. And the final blow is probably one of hte most shocking things ive ever seen in a game. It was the last think i ever would have expected.
Christopher
Member
sadly the final battle does not make up for the rest of the shitty game = fact.
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
Biohazard said:
my only problem with the game was the low number of dungeons and the triforce shard search. THought everything was great other than that.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
You're trying too hard and it shows.Biohazard said:
Scalemail Ted
Member
Biohazard said:
I see your name is Biohazard, it fits well since youre obviously dead inside. :-(
Slurpy2k20
Member
Biohazard said:
Yeah, we got your point the 8th time you stated it was shitty. Its sad you feel such a strong urge to reinforce it. Your opinion is in the minority, so get over yourself. Your posting style is whats also known as trolling.
Christopher
Member
Jive Turkey said:You're trying too hard and it shows.
I'm actually not I love Zelda games I had everyone one and I even accepted the art style but the whole game felt like a chore...the whole game. I admit I had fun when it first started out but that died...quick.
I didn't have a problem with the game being easy. Probably because I wasn't playing it to be challenged. A game not challenging someone shouldn't make the experience unenjoyable.
Exploring uncharted waters/islands... I mean it isn't CHALLENGING to explore a new beach/cave to discover what's inside, but its still really compelling, to me.
Wind Waker is an experience... it takes you on a journey. You sneak around a fortress. Meet a talking ship. Relight the giant spotlight for a village. Help a fat helpless dragon. Rescue your sister. Take up with pirates. The fact that carrying out all of these tasks never led me close to death didn't bother me, because the joy was in the exploration and execution, not in the challenge. At least for me
Exploring uncharted waters/islands... I mean it isn't CHALLENGING to explore a new beach/cave to discover what's inside, but its still really compelling, to me.
Wind Waker is an experience... it takes you on a journey. You sneak around a fortress. Meet a talking ship. Relight the giant spotlight for a village. Help a fat helpless dragon. Rescue your sister. Take up with pirates. The fact that carrying out all of these tasks never led me close to death didn't bother me, because the joy was in the exploration and execution, not in the challenge. At least for me
As fine of a game as this is, the mear mention of the words "Triforce" and "Hunt" in the same sentences makes me clench my teeth in rage. That and the side quests were huge which was a good thing, but the rewards were rediculously not worth the effort which was a bad thing. Still it's in my top 3 zeldas.
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
I loved the art style and graphics but I was disappointed with the games difficulty, lack of dungeons and rather sparse sea.
GDJustin said:I didn't have a problem with the game being easy. Probably because I wasn't playing it to be challenged. A game not challenging someone shouldn't make the experience unenjoyable.
Exploring uncharted waters/islands... I mean it isn't CHALLENGING to explore a new beach/cave to discover what's inside, but its still really compelling, to me.
Wind Waker is an experience... it takes you on a journey. You sneak around a fortress. Meet a talking ship. Relight the giant spotlight for a village. Help a fat helpless dragon. Rescue your sister. Take up with pirates. The fact that carrying out all of these tasks never led me close to death didn't bother me, because the joy was in the exploration and execution, not in the challenge. At least for me
for me, i felt like that right up to the point where
you first go underwater in hyrule
It's a very beautiful game. The lighting is awesome in the fire dungeon. The forest level was beautiful. the black and white Hyrule was awesome, even when the colors return. Sailing the ocean when the sun goes down and the stars about to peak is breathtaking, especially if its a rain storm.
Soundtrack is very good: Towers of God, Hyrule Castle (wished it was longer tho)
**prays for another cel-shaded console version**
Soundtrack is very good: Towers of God, Hyrule Castle (wished it was longer tho)
**prays for another cel-shaded console version**
brandonh83
Banned
Dark Dragon said:
That does it.
I also played OOT after playing WW, and must say that WW for me is a far superior game. I guess it is a bit like how you always like the first book your read by a new author the best because the way of writing and the universe created is so fresh and new. So I guess if I had played OOT first things might have different and made me understand what the complaints about WW are. When I played WW I didn´t feel it had any shortcomings. It was a perfect game.
For instance: The free sailing part is very important to give it the romantic feel, much in the same way as the riding in Shadow of the Colossus. And when you think about it all the running back and forth (or riding) accross that plain in the beginning of OOT is just the same mechanism (only less eventfull than the sailing in WW).
For instance: The free sailing part is very important to give it the romantic feel, much in the same way as the riding in Shadow of the Colossus. And when you think about it all the running back and forth (or riding) accross that plain in the beginning of OOT is just the same mechanism (only less eventfull than the sailing in WW).