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Rumor: Kinect 2 so accurate it can lip read; Future Xbox to come w/ Kinect 2 bundled
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Castor Krieg
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Ever heard of "controlled leak"?
thelurkinghorror
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Videogame give you the "context"
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Can't wait to lip waggle my way around a track in forza.
bigtroyjon
Member
LOL, yeah every bullshit rumor coming from a gaming website is a controlled leak by various companies PR firms.
I'm mildly distressed at the implications that the system is focussed around Kinect. I'm not actively opposed to motion controls, but I just don't have the lounge layout to give the system an unimpeded viewpoint of a full body, which would seem to be... problematic, to say the least.
Always-honest
Banned
Haven't tried it but i also hear good things about it.... It's a bit of an Smartphone app thingy, but seems to work well.
McHuj
Member
From a technical point, it's certainly possible to do something like lip reading. However, I'm more concerned about the processing requirements to do this and how they will impact the overall system.
Will there be a dedicated a processor or will it run on the cpu/gpu? If the rumors of a 6 cpu are true, I could see something like a full core dedicated to the kinect/os.
Will there be a dedicated a processor or will it run on the cpu/gpu? If the rumors of a 6 cpu are true, I could see something like a full core dedicated to the kinect/os.
thelurkinghorror
Member
Fruit Ninja on Kinect is awesome! Gunstringer is a good attempt to build a proper platform with Kinect, is good but not so much.
dragonelite
Member
The hardware is working as it should.
That some devs use it for things it isn't build for yeah dont blame the hardware blame the software.
You don't use raw data for the depth field. You detect jitter between adjacent points. Meaning it's physically impossible to produce a depth field of the same resolution as the camera. If the adjacent camera pixel is lit up by another ray, the jitter information is destroyed. That's why Kinect depth fields are 320x240, even though the two cameras used to produce them are both 640x480.
That is the main problem, bad software. Games that actually have good controls are mentioned prettry rarely, and even then people ask "but wouldn't it be better with a controller"? Gunstringer and CoE come to mind.
My prediction: Steve Ballmer will introduce Xbox Ten, celebrating the 10 year Xbox anniversary on January 10 at CES.
If you guys still doubt this read the sentence again.
Oh yeah guys 2013/2014 right? I mean we know accurate technical details like this:
Also they mention 'main RAM' so does it have seperate VRAM?
Ze plot thickens.
If you guys still doubt this read the sentence again.
Oh yeah guys 2013/2014 right? I mean we know accurate technical details like this:
But trust Pachter, advanced devkits aren't out there... really.
Also they mention 'main RAM' so does it have seperate VRAM?
Ze plot thickens.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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It was considered pretty much impossible offering Kinect's current functionality in a commercially-viable product until Kinect appeared. It's the first cheap alternative to a number of highly specialized and very expensive devices, that's why you can see it being used in medicine, education, motion capture and so on.
That said, the statement was just meant to illustrate its potential accuracy. And it's not PR.
You can retrieve 640x480 depth data from the camera, but at that resolution you cannot do player indexing at the same time. It can only be 320x240 with player indexing. And Kinect doesn't use stereo cameras to make the depth field.
I use my Zune Pass for parties and I turn the music up loud. If I wanted to search for a song it wouldn't work because of the music. So, if there was lip reading I would be able to turn the music up and still use the hands-free searching, provided it was offered.
NemesisPrime
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Good idea. When you throw down the controller it send an angry message to your opposition, logs you off and shuts down the xbox.
TBH the current Kinect can do this *if* it would get better data. So Kinect 2 will just get HD cameras and the rest is up to the SDK.
Alx
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The native resolution of the sensor used for depth measurement is 1200x960
http://openkinect.org/wiki/Hardware_info#Depth_Image_sensor
The real precision of depth information depends on the distance to the observed object, but it is usually higher than 320x240 (otherwise there would be no point in retrieving a 640x480 depth info).
I've been using the beta SDK for some time on my laptop, and it has no difficulty detecting and tracking a skeleton. I didn't check the CPU use in details, but I certainly don't have 16GB of RAM. There may be a problem in your software design if it's so slow...
The SDK is supposed to use the GPU too, but I didn't check how much is done on it either.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
It registers you yelling, sends a poorly written message full of homophobic slurs to the guy who killed you, and logs you off XBL. We might be onto something here.
thelurkinghorror
Member
btw, they said Kinect2 will be able to read your lips, they don't have said this will be a useful function or be used in games or dashboard...
Risk Breaker
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USB being a bottleneck for a 320x240 signal at 30hz... weird, my PSEye works at 640x480 at 60hz or 320x240 at 120hz and it also uses USB ;O
Yep, and game journalists get constantly bribed to write good reviews.
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InaudibleWhispa
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And it also doesn't have a 3D depth camera, which is the thing that is supposedly being limited.
Alx
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PSEye has been optimized to stream video data and only that (I think RGB info is coded on 3 bytes instead of the usual 4).
A kinect stream is a 32 bit color image + 16 bit depth image (+ sound). It's bigger in size than a regular image, and probably less optimized.
I think we made the calculations a few months ago, that the PSEye would use the full bandwidth of a USB2 port. You probably can't use another device on the same USB controller (but it's not a big problem on PS3 where few peripherals are connected through USB).
Risk Breaker
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AlanzTalon
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I think what they really mean is packed in, with the port designed specifically for it built into the machine. that the Kinect is now standard equipment (which is obvious)
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
As long as I can still stick my computer in the middle of that process, bring it on!
I think some people have got abit carried away here.
They're not saying lip reading is the next great innovation in gaming, or even that lip syncing has a practical purpose in anything they're working on. Just that the technology is advanced and precise enough to pick up very subtle human elements such as lip syncing, which is clearly a great step up from the Kinect we have now.
I don't own a Kinect and have very little interest in any Kinect 2, but the fact that the second hardware is going to be much more advanced is good news. At the least the potential is there for the hardware to do better things than it does currently, which MIGHT lead to better gameplay experiences for all of us (but I doubt it).
People are deluded if they think Microsoft are dropping Kinect anytime soon, or that they don't consider it a success. If we are stuck with it, we might as well get a better version.
They're not saying lip reading is the next great innovation in gaming, or even that lip syncing has a practical purpose in anything they're working on. Just that the technology is advanced and precise enough to pick up very subtle human elements such as lip syncing, which is clearly a great step up from the Kinect we have now.
I don't own a Kinect and have very little interest in any Kinect 2, but the fact that the second hardware is going to be much more advanced is good news. At the least the potential is there for the hardware to do better things than it does currently, which MIGHT lead to better gameplay experiences for all of us (but I doubt it).
People are deluded if they think Microsoft are dropping Kinect anytime soon, or that they don't consider it a success. If we are stuck with it, we might as well get a better version.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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It's already been explained, but PSEye doesn't provide the same amount of data over the same connection. It completely lacks the depth component.
InaudibleWhispa
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Yeah, there is 0% chance of Kinect being built into the console itself. It requires completely different positions depending on the users set-up, and there is no way Microsoft are expecting some people to put an entire console on top of their TV. Plus Kinect tilts to scan the room/see necessary body parts.
The PSEye is different technology to Kinect's main sensor, you can't really compare them like that. Headtracking is just software making use of the standard PSEye stream. Kinect is passing along the same kind of RGB data from one camera, as well as feeding the depth data from a sensor reading an IR projection like this.
Angry Fork
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I wish so bad this would happen. It would break the internet. The 2 MS douche looking guys come out (one is wannabe Tom Cruise the other is that sunglasses Kinect guy), they show off Kinect with a family on stage etc. 40 minutes pass of this over and over. Then 599$ US Dollars. Explosion.
natethegreat409
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I'm not fat Microsoft.... You don't need to "get me off the couch". I work out plenty on my own and everything. Give me games I can play sitting down with a controller in my hand and make me have to think and actually try. Otherwise, I will not be buying a new console. I'm switching to PC gaming after this generation and it's horrible hardware issues. My computers never break compared to these shitty consoles they are putting out now.
I lol'ed
Why would anyone want a company to fuck up so bad? That's no different than the dude in the other thread who said he can't wait for Sony to fuck up with the PS4.
Don't worry, I already know the answer, but it's still sad.
Risk Breaker
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Ah, I guess it doesn't compress the information from the IR matrix depth calculation and it does consume a bit of bandwidth. Will a better connection/bandwidth make Kinect that much better though?
Angry Fork
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Because it's funny. Besides Sony managed not to kill itself and bounced back. Even if MS did something similar they'd be fine. I just would love to see the internet reaction so bad.
LowEndTorque
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cool. Bring on the Brittney Spears lip syncing game.
Americanmushroom
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That's some great technology. It's a shame it's only gonna be used on dance games and stuff. Oh well, the marketing will take care of that problem
InaudibleWhispa
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I'm guessing this rumour is referring to new hardware though, so naturally more bandwidth will be hugely beneficial.
