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[AranhaHunter]

So basically:

• It'll cost a minimum of $25 extra if I buy a Vita and want my wife and I to each have our own separate account.
• I won't be able to buy digital games and then have my wife and I each play them on our own accounts (with our own separate saves and trophies) as I can currently do on PS3 and 360.
• I won't be able to play DD games from another region (or physical games with DLC) on my main account where my settings and trophies live, as I can currently do on PS3.
• I won't be able to play DD games from two different regions without physically swapping a card out of my hardware.

Still not really feelin' it. This whole system is a giant pain in the ass compared to PS3.

Yep, pretty much it. It's bullshit.

I don't even consider buying a PSV at launch, and probably not until at least a couple of redesigns. As soon as they announced no internal memory, I knew I didn't want one right away, and all this talk with 3rd parties waiting to see if it'll succeed before they develop games for it just means I should definitely sit this one out for now.

 

[daffy]

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Ok -- the Vita is naked when you buy it. Once once you insert the memory card into its netheregions, it becomes Vita(+Card-a). Now they are making love. In order to switch cards, you disconnect Card-a and insert Card-b. Now it is Vita(+Card-b).

Resetting during intercourse however, is not that simple. You must brainwash Vita(+Card-a) and convince it its Vita(+Card-b). To do that, Vita(+Card-a) must be reset because Card-a is no longer its own self. It can't act on its own so it has to be reset through user control on the Vita while connected. Sort of like switching positions. It then is restarted into believing its Card-b. Vita accepts this and starts over as Vita(+Card-b). Yes?

Of course the minor details like previous dlc and games already downloaded will require more info, but this is the gist of it. Hope this helps.

 

[statham]

but can it play 'words with friends' with people from other countries is the real question.

 

[JJD]

I really doesn't solve my problem. I buy games on multiple PSN accounts, but I play on only one.

Since the Vita doesn't have onboard memory, I will have to use the account I bought the game to play it, as the games can only be downloaded to a specific memory card (the one tied to the buyers account).

 

[daffy]

Yep, pretty much it. It's bullshit.

I don't even consider buying a PSV at launch, and probably not until at least a couple of redesigns. As soon as they announced no internal memory, I knew I didn't want one right away, and all this talk with 3rd parties waiting to see if it'll succeed before they develop games for it just means I should definitely sit this one out for now.

The problem, AranhaHunter and charlequin, is that you are comparing a console specs to a handheld specs. You should look at something like the 3DS or PSP and see just how great and improvement this looks to be. If you want the Vita to be a console then well... IDK what to tell you!

 

[patsu]

The problem, AranhaHunter and charlequin, is that you are comparing a console specs to a handheld specs. You should look at something like the 3DS or PSP and see just how great and improvement this looks to be. If you want the Vita to be a console then well... IDK what to tell you!

Yes and no.

I can sync my wife's and my purchases to the same iPhone. I can play her games or my games, it doesn't matter who paid for it.

Now I get that Vita games may be harder to develop and Sony want to protect them better compared to iPhone's level of protection, but the security schemes should not restrict our usage.

That said, we don't know if charlequin's list is applicable yet until Sony tells us more about how the card system works.

 

[statham]

Don't you have a 360?
Were the overpriced accessories like the memory cards, hard drives, and wireless adapters not money grabs?

did you ever complain about 360 money grabs, because thats what people are doing in this thread.

 

[dallow_bg]

did you ever complain about 360 money grabs, because thats what people are doing in this thread.

Did you not see what he was talking about?

 

[Akkad]

Man this is pretty dumb, lol.

 

[Durante]

Wouldn't you want to play them on the same main psn account though, for trophies and friendslists etc?

That's actually the main issue I have with this solution. Still happy I can at least get all the Vita content I want on a single system.

 

[statham]

Did you not see what he was talking about?

I was just responding to you. and like the 360 with overpriced access. or vita and memory cards I understand why it must be done. What people are upset about IMO is that Sony is taking a more MS approach with launch cheap, recover with high price access and games. Sony didnot do this with the PS3, right move or not for them? but the 599 price killed them from world domination.

edit: and guys who says they don't have to buy two vitas, right on. Sony takes a loss per Vita, so instead you buy a expensive memory card and not a money losing system, so you both win, Sony pockets some dough, and you don't have to buy a second system.

 

[Aru]

That's better than factory reset. And more practical than login on another PSN account like on PSP, but more expensive. At least we can now switch profiles without an internet connection, it seems.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Isn't this more flexible then any other handheld out there including ipods & smart phones?

 

[daffy]

Yes and no.

I can sync my wife's and my purchases to the same iPhone. I can play her games or my games, it doesn't matter who paid for it.

Now I get that Vita games may be harder to develop and Sony want to protect them better compared to iPhone's level of protection, but the security schemes should not restrict our usage.

That said, we don't know if charlequin's list is applicable yet until Sony tells us more about how the card system works.

You and your wife live in same country? I owned a French iPhone and could not download American store only stuff on the same account.. maybe they updated that out though.. Unless you mean using two accounts for the same region? Hrmm.. Yeah I am not sure how that would work..

 

[patsu]

Isn't this more flexible then any other handheld out there including ipods & smart phones?

You and your wife live in same country? I owned a French iPhone and could not download American store only stuff on the same account.. maybe they updated that out though.. Unless you mean using two accounts for the same region? Hrmm.. Yeah I am not sure how that would work..

In terms of region free content, Sony is ahead of anyone I think. I love them for taking this route.

In terms of device protection, it sounds complicated to the end users. Whether it's too restrictive, I think we still need a few answers from Sony. It could swing either way. Because of the complexity, even a tech person like me needs to sit down and analyze/understand it. An average user may be "paralyzed", turned away or turned off right away.

 

[Argyle]

You don't see much bitching about Apple selling overpriced hardware?

Apple still sells a bajillion of them despite people like you and me complaining about it.

Been reading your posts about the Vita for a while, am I right in that you probably never really intended to buy one? I mean, it's cool, the system isn't going to appeal to everyone. But it sounds like you haven't had much experience with the other online portable consoles (PSP, DSi/3DS) compared to home consoles. If nothing else the account switching via memory card swap is way more convenient than it was on PSP - it was enough of a pain in the ass that I never bothered to try to get my JP PSOne games onto my PSP at all.

 

[tzare]

they are doing like MS or nintendo. Their systems have been successful , especially in the US so it is kind of surprising that people complain so much.It is a matter of being convenient and payingor going the free complicated way.
Its a problem now because of Mc prices but when they drop the priceit will be ok.

In fact is quite convenient ifni want to play with my psn account and games on a friend's device : just take my memorycard with me and done

 

[dallow_bg]

I was just responding to you. and like the 360 with overpriced access. or vita and memory cards I understand why it must be done. What people are upset about IMO is that Sony is taking a more MS approach with launch cheap, recover with high price access and games. Sony didnot do this with the PS3, right move or not for them? but the 599 price killed them from world domination.

Ok, so you responded to me but not in the context of why I said it. lol
The point wasn't about them being overpriced or moneygrabs. It was about why he would let one slide, but be firmly against the other.

 

[BeEatNU]

In terms of region free content, Sony is ahead of anyone I think. I love them for taking this route.

In terms of device protection, it sounds complicated to the end users. Whether it's too restrictive, I think we still need a few answers from Sony. It could swing either way. Because of the complexity, even a tech person like me needs to sit down and analyze/understand it. An average user may be "paralyzed", turned away or turned off right away.

My thing is I doubt the average user will be using multiple accounts on a PSV.

It's the super users who are the complainers here.

 

[Kyoufu]

they are doing like MS or nintendo. Their systems have been successful , especially in the US so it is kind of surprising that people complain so much.It is a matter of being convenient and payingor going the free complicated way.
Its a problem now because of Mc prices but when they drop the priceit will be ok.

In fact is quite convenient ifni want to play with my psn account and games on a friend's device : just take my memorycard with me and done

The question is, why wouldn't you just take..you know, your portable with you.

 

[patsu]

My thing is I doubt the average user will be using multiple accounts on a PSV.

It's the super users who are the complainers here.

That may be true but the complains will scare average users, or get them thinking/speculating.

 

[Slayven]

My thing is I doubt the average user will be using multiple accounts on a PSV.

It's the super users who are the complainers here.

I was going to post the same thing. I file the complaints with the people that complain they can't put Linux on such and such device.

 

[Bullza2o]

Man, the memory cards are really discouraging me from getting a Vita.

 

[tzare]

The question is, why wouldn't you just take..you know, your portable with you.

It could be used by a brother, or a son. Or i could lend my games to a friend to try them

I was going to post the same thing. I file the complaints with the people that complain they can't put Linux on such and such device.

this too. People pay for xbl every year too and most seem pleased. It won t affect most users.

 

[Toki767]

they are doing like MS or nintendo. Their systems have been successful , especially in the US so it is kind of surprising that people complain so much.It is a matter of being convenient and payingor going the free complicated way.
Its a problem now because of Mc prices but when they drop the priceit will be ok.

In fact is quite convenient ifni want to play with my psn account and games on a friend's device : just take my memorycard with me and done

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony kept the memory card prices that way for a long time. It'd make more sense for them to give the Vita system itself a price cut down the line and still have their proprietary cards be the same price.

 

[patsu]

Man, the memory cards are really discouraging me from getting a Vita.

They are great for enabling non-games, and MMO games as they grow bigger and bigger. If Sony can jumpstart the initial supply, we should be able to benefit from the system in the mid-long term.

 

[yurinka]

Well, at least it's possibe to use different accounts in the same device and you don't have to log-in manually every time you change.

Now the problem is the price of the memory cards. Let's hope they drop their price soon.

 

[BeEatNU]

That may be true but the complains will scare average users, or get them thinking/speculating.

right but then super users wonder why X system isn't getting much love since they can't use all of their X usernames on 1 device.

Thus hurting the dev of a system even more. Realistically, what other system lets you download stuff from other regions with ease?
(honest question there)

 

[Vamphuntr]

Isn't this better than what the original PSP system did and better than what the 3DS does?

I mean the original PSP was strictly locked on 1 account with no possible solutions for multiple accounts unless you use media go/your ps3 to swtich them every single time.

And the 3DS is region locked for carts and it's store.

I can understand the uproar but I don't think their solution is made for people to buy from multiples regional PSN stores. It's made for the people sharing with a family member where they have their own profile. Each one buy a card and it's done. You're technically not even supposed to be able to buy from other regions unless you use another address, get through hoops so your CC works or buy point cards from another region online. I guess it sucks badly for people living abroad but it's still better than what we've been offered so far.

But yeah the cards are expensive though.

 

[LiquidSolid]

I was going to post the same thing. I file the complaints with the people that complain they can't put Linux on such and such device.

And the people mindlessly defending this are either a) Absurdly self-centred or b) Complete fanboys, possibly both.

I just want to play games that'll never come out here (like Ys IV because XSEED are assholes) with my main account, so I can talk to friends and earn trophies while playing it. If you think this is something I shouldn't be requesting then I'll go ahead and add you to my ignore list now because if so, I've no interest in your opinion.

Oh and come the hell on, the 'super user' is exactly the type of person Sony have been targeting with this device. Why else would they add in-game chat and all the other features us 'super users' have been requesting on PS3 for years.

 

[Kyoufu]

I just want to play games that'll never come out here (like Ys IV because XSEED are assholes) with my main account, so I can talk to friends and earn trophies while playing it. If you think this is something I shouldn't be requesting then I'll go ahead and add you to my ignore list now because if so, I've no interest in your opinion.

I think you can do that with the physical version. I just wish it was possible with digital content too

 

[legend166]

So what happens when your memory card is full?

Sounds like you're going to have to do some rearranging of the fridge.

 

[patsu]

So what happens when your memory card is full?

Sounds like you're going to have to do some rearranging of the fridge.

Re-sync to/from PS3 or PC. Same way when your iPhone is full.

 

[Pocks]

Brilliant way to sell more proprietary memory cards.

Congrats Sony

 

[djSyndrome]

It could be used by a brother, or a son. Or i could lend my games to a friend to try them

Hold on let me go tell my daughters they aren't allowed to play PlayStation branded portables.

 

[tzare]

So what happens when your memory card is full?

Sounds like you're going to have to do some rearranging of the fridge.

Just like evey other device with limited capacity, be it a iphone, ps3,360.... delete,tranfer to pc or redownload when necessary, or buy more storage

 

[LiquidSolid]

I think you can do that with the physical version. I just wish it was possible with digital content too

Yeah that'll be the only option but then when it comes to DLC for imported games or PSN games that never came out here (like XSEED's other release, Wizardry), I'm fucked.

 

[Donthizz#]

Sony is going to make lot of $$$$ on memory cards alone, lol...

 

[Zoe]

Sony is going to make lot of $$$$ on memory cards alone, lol...

Gotta pay for PSN somehow.

 

[DangerousDave]

And the people mindlessly defending this are either a) Absurdly self-centred or b) Complete fanboys, possibly both.

Or they are seeing that even if the system is not perfect, it allow much more freedom degree to use accounts than the similar systems.

 

[Lothars]

So you can have multiple accounts.....if you pay for it AND restore your Vita to factory settings each time?

That's worse.

And the people mindlessly defending this are either a) Absurdly self-centred or b) Complete fanboys, possibly both.

You have a point about the digital copies but if you import the game than you can do exactly that on your main account, it sucks that you can't have multiple accounts on the system at the sametime but it's not like they are just dicking you over for the sake of it, I have no issue with accounts each requiring a memory card even though I wish it would be on the system. I don't like your accusation of people defending this are just fanboys or self centered, it would be worst if they didn't allow this at all but since it seems like they do I think there's just some of us who doesn't see the big deal.

A bigger issue is the price of the memory cards but I would assume that the prices will get lower after release, we will see. Ideally I would love to see the digital games prices to be lower like that previous rumor and if that's the case than I have less of an issue on the memory card price.

 

[Theonik]

So no matter what, a Europe profile will never get to play Japanese games? And I won't be able to play review copies, redeemed on my press account, on my personal account no matter how many memory cards I have?

I was almost OK with this until I read this post. SMH Sony.

 

[Kasumi1970]

Sony wants to make money....that a good way to make money

 

[BoilersFan23]

It's unfortunate that Sony have to turn to screw their users so ludicrously to get some extra money from the device. This fuck-up with the memory cards it's the only thing that keeps me away from getting a Vita launch-day... well, that and the lack of more time for another console in my current life.

They have to turn to memory cards when people were pirating PSP and them not making profit from most memory stick sales. They are losing money on hardware they sell. Selling a few games isn't enough to recoup the costs of the Vita, which is why we buy memory cards. If people want cheaper memory card prices, they better bet they'd be paying more for a Vita. There's no way Sony's going to take a massive loss on the Vita just to be nice.

 

[x3sphere]

Isn't this better than what the original PSP system did and better than what the 3DS does?

I mean the original PSP was strictly locked on 1 account with no possible solutions for multiple accounts unless you use media go/your ps3 to swtich them every single time.

And the 3DS is region locked for carts and it's store.

I can understand the uproar but I don't think their solution is made for people to buy from multiples regional PSN stores. It's made for the people sharing with a family member where they have their own profile. Each one buy a card and it's done. You're technically not even supposed to be able to buy from other regions unless you use another address, get through hoops so your CC works or buy point cards from another region online. I guess it sucks badly for people living abroad but it's still better than what we've been offered so far.

But yeah the cards are expensive though.

With the PSP it didn't really matter. No trophies, no friends list, etc.

And no, it's not a better system. With the PSP you could just sign in and out of multiple accounts at any given time, which takes a few seconds.

With this I need to buy multiple memory cards, and even then, it's still restricted. Can't use downloaded content from a different region on your main PSN account for example.

 

[Eccocid]

Cant u just copy the games from one memory card to another and play all of them under one account on Vita? This is confusing lol.

 

[lastflowers]

And the people mindlessly defending this are either a) Absurdly self-centred or b) Complete fanboys, possibly both.

I just want to play games that'll never come out here (like Ys IV because XSEED are assholes) with my main account, so I can talk to friends and earn trophies while playing it. If you think this is something I shouldn't be requesting then I'll go ahead and add you to my ignore list now because if so, I've no interest in your opinion.

Oh and come the hell on, the 'super user' is exactly the type of person Sony have been targeting with this device. Why else would they add in-game chat and all the other features us 'super users' have been requesting on PS3 for years.

I don't think this is true at all. They added ingame chat in order to differentiate more with the 3DS and provide some base capability for the next iteration of the home console online service, I'd imagine.

 

[Zafir]

Better than what was stated originally. Still doesn't solve the DLC problem though. If you want to play dlc for a game, you're forced to play it on a same region account. Unlike PS3 where you can just buy it on your other region account, and swap back to your normal one.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

I still did not understand how profiles in different memory cards will allow the main account to play an import game with its DLC (bought by the other account) which is the my main grip on the subject.

Edited: beaten. This is only good for the ones who would like to share the system with his brother/family/friend. No like the PS3.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Sony wants to make money....that a good way to make money

Well it's a good way to make money if people are willing to go along with it. If they're not, I can't see that giving them anymore money.