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Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2011 (Dec 19 - Dec 25)
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The_Darkest_Red
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I just don't see how you can back this up, though. Every example we have of a handheld doing poorly at a price of over $200 also includes a noticeable lack of compelling software. If the Vita gets some quality games from a few important franchises and still fails to gain momentum at its current price than we may finally have some evidence for this position, otherwise it just seems like nothing more than pure speculation.
He said "current consoles." If he meant last-gen, it's his fault for the poor wording.
bigtroyjon
Member
They turned an asset into cash but they said the transaction will cost them money. I don't think it's a coincidence that the amount is similar to what they will be paying ericsson next month to finalize that deal.
Vita sells no games. :/ 72k looks pretty good now.
I don't think any of them intend to launch a console without a "killer app"
I mean on paper, both line-ups do seem pretty solid, Uncharted, Pilotwings, Street Fighter, Hot Shot Golf.
They assume that a decent variety of good games will appease the early adopters. And then if you plan your releases well can have a stream of quality titles come out after launch, and place a major killer app at a junction when you need to bring in a bigger audience.
Again, sounds nicer on paper, I guess.
no, they said their FY results will take a hit because they will write off those assets... they will still make money on it. And I dont think it has anything to do with SE at all, it is their consolidation as they will apparently save some 650mil/year from procuring other panels now.
I wasn't expecting the Vita to light things up but I was expecting better than this for its launch period.
Nonetheless, 3DS got its shit together over the course of a year, so like that I'm content to just wait and see for the next year before saying anything definitive about Vita sales.
Although, with the caveat that it wasn't like Sony could really have done anything about it, but headlining the Japanese launch of your handheld with Uncharted should have raised some red flags from the start.
Nonetheless, 3DS got its shit together over the course of a year, so like that I'm content to just wait and see for the next year before saying anything definitive about Vita sales.
Although, with the caveat that it wasn't like Sony could really have done anything about it, but headlining the Japanese launch of your handheld with Uncharted should have raised some red flags from the start.
plagiarize
Banned
some thoughts.
this is a terrible launch for the Vita in Japan. why they launched there first with this software line up... doesn't make sense... and didn't make sense when it was announced.
i hope that anyone who laughed at me for pointing out that Nintendo had room to drop the price in response to the PSVita launch price, and parroted that 'Nintendo won't drop within a year' nonsense hopefully has their head pulled out of their ass by now. launching first gives you time to fuck up. Sony seem to think that since Sega weren't able to resolve their issues prior to the PSX and PS2 launch, that Nintendo and Microsoft won't be able to. if they genuinely think they can still afford to be late to launch, they need to wake the hell up.
things look better for Europe and the US, but it still would have been smarter to launch in one of those markets for Christmas with this line up.
it isn't really important how MonHunter 3GS and 4 sells on 3DS. what's important is that they aren't on the Vita or PSP. even if 4G or whatever comes to Vita, it's no longer an exclusive, and we know how that goes. the games that *were* exclusive on PS2 did little to nothing for PS3 sales once the exclusivity was lost.
as likely as 4G may be on Vita, isn't it at least as equally likely on 3DS even if 4 only sells a million or so?
Sony can overcome this. the Vita isn't any more doomed than the PS3 or PSP were when things were looking their worst for those platforms, but they've got a lot of work to do, and they absolutely need to find a new piece of software that'll push the hardware in Japan. Europe and the US... they may be okay with what they have already announced... certainly at least as well positioned as the original PSP was in those markets...
but they're probably positioned worse in Japan with the Vita, than the PSP was positioned in America. how they let that happen with the PSPs strongest market (and the one that ensured the original was a success) is mind boggling.
this is a terrible launch for the Vita in Japan. why they launched there first with this software line up... doesn't make sense... and didn't make sense when it was announced.
i hope that anyone who laughed at me for pointing out that Nintendo had room to drop the price in response to the PSVita launch price, and parroted that 'Nintendo won't drop within a year' nonsense hopefully has their head pulled out of their ass by now. launching first gives you time to fuck up. Sony seem to think that since Sega weren't able to resolve their issues prior to the PSX and PS2 launch, that Nintendo and Microsoft won't be able to. if they genuinely think they can still afford to be late to launch, they need to wake the hell up.
things look better for Europe and the US, but it still would have been smarter to launch in one of those markets for Christmas with this line up.
it isn't really important how MonHunter 3GS and 4 sells on 3DS. what's important is that they aren't on the Vita or PSP. even if 4G or whatever comes to Vita, it's no longer an exclusive, and we know how that goes. the games that *were* exclusive on PS2 did little to nothing for PS3 sales once the exclusivity was lost.
as likely as 4G may be on Vita, isn't it at least as equally likely on 3DS even if 4 only sells a million or so?
Sony can overcome this. the Vita isn't any more doomed than the PS3 or PSP were when things were looking their worst for those platforms, but they've got a lot of work to do, and they absolutely need to find a new piece of software that'll push the hardware in Japan. Europe and the US... they may be okay with what they have already announced... certainly at least as well positioned as the original PSP was in those markets...
but they're probably positioned worse in Japan with the Vita, than the PSP was positioned in America. how they let that happen with the PSPs strongest market (and the one that ensured the original was a success) is mind boggling.
half of Wii's LTD? 60%?
Do you expect them to stop selling now or something? They already have 60% of Wii's sales.
get2sammyb
Member
I totally agree. The PlayStation Vita launch line-up is very good, but it's not particularly targeted to the Japanese audience. I think it's going to have a pretty strong start in Europe and America all things considered, and it would have been even better if they would have put it out in time for Christmas over here.
I've always said though, Sony took too long to put the PS Vita on shelves. They were riding high after E3, but it just seemed to take forever to drop. They should have been out worldwide by now.
hamauzu kaito
Member
Do you think this will this end up spoiling Vita screen situation? As in do you think they will be more likely to switch from the Samsung OLED to a "cheaper" version to reduce production costs? A revisions with cheaper internal parts could come within 6 months, right?
plagiarize
Banned
i get why they thought they could do this with the PS3 after PSX and PS2... i just don't get why they still think they can launch late. imagine how things could have been if the Vita had hit at about the same time as the 3DS with all the launch problems it had.
Why not? Is it the little kids who get Ipads and Ipod Touches for christmas? Or is it the consensus that the fact that it's a handheld 'must' mean it's not worth more than $200?
We have come in a time where handhelds have such sophisticated hardware that a price above $200 is nothing special really, especially with the weak-ass dollar. Same counts for handheld games.
Sony just didn't plan the releases properly, we'll have to see how the system performs after the release of FFX remake/port and other big Japanese titles (hopefully including some kind of Monster Hunter expansion or port) before making the judgment about the price.
bigtroyjon
Member
Cash goes up and assets go down, they turn the asset into cash but the net total is negative on the balance sheet because it's being sold at less then they previously valued it.
They don't "make" anything in the deal.
Nintendo backstabbing Kutaragi was the reason the PlayStation was made...
Opus Angelorum
Member
Indeed.
Sony missed the boat with the Xbox 360 as well, when 30%+ of the launch consoles had RROD.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
They are competing even though Nintendo likes to deny it.
Genius post there, good sir.
I'm not sure if saying they "let" it happen is right at all. As has been pointed out already, Sony didn't do anything to revive the PSP. It was a combination of Capcom miraculously building the third biggest franchise in the entire Japanese market after Pokemon and Mario out of almost nothing, and the dynamics of the market allowing the PSP to build its library on the backs of games that simply could not be done on the DS no matter what.
What's happening now is that Sony no longer has Monster Hunter (whether this is ultimately a failing of Sony or an unavoidable victory by Nintendo I can't say) and the 3DS can do anything the PSP can and most of what the Vita can. The question is then, what could Sony have done? They're not Nintendo, if they don't have third party support, they have nothing.
plagiarize
Banned
why do you think a multiplatform MH title will help the PSVita's system sales any more than a multiplatform DMC, Tekken, Final Fantasy, GTA4 etc etc helped the PS3 (or didn't).
Sony need an exclusive. not a remake/port. not a multiplatform release. an exclusive. remakes and ports weren't enough for the 3DS. multiplatform franchises weren't enough for the PS3. both weren't enough for the PSP.
Yup but still a better move than producing those bad selling bravia's and have an even bigger hit on the balance sheet.
Dr.Palutena
Member
Well everything is competing for consumer's attention and money at some level.
This is a good post. I remember the discussion when 3DS was first announced, i.e whether Sony should even release a PSP2 without having a time advantage. While it may still be premature to ask that question, I maintain that the one way to steal momentum from Nintendo was to launch first and build momentum-not cede ground to a platform who did not need any help in the first place.
Iwata has acknowledged several times that in a long run Apple is Nintendo's competitor.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Let's see...Kazerei said:
Match the software sales data against itself. Find instances where there's the same game separated by 7 days, and sort by the ratio of the latter sales to the earlier sales. And no trying to divide by 0!
SELECT SoftwareWeekly.GameID as GameID, SoftwareWeekly.Week as Week1, SoftwareWeekly2.Week as Week2, SoftwareWeekly.SalesWeekly as Sales1, SoftwareWeekly2.SalesWeekly as Sales2, (SoftwareWeekly2.SalesWeekly/SoftwareWeekly.SalesWeekly) as Growth
FROM SoftwareWeekly, SoftwareWeekly as SoftwareWeekly2
WHERE SoftwareWeekly.GameID = SoftwareWeekly2.GameID
AND adddate(SoftwareWeekly.Week,7) = SoftwareWeekly2.Week
AND SoftwareWeekly.SalesWeekly > 0
ORDER BY SoftwareWeekly2.SalesWeekly/SoftwareWeekly.SalesWeekly DESC
LIMIT 0,100
Worth noting that probably a lot of big gains are missing, from the times when Famitsu would combine two big weeks into one report. But just cherry-picking some of the interesting top results since I doubt many care about a 1K game jumping to 4K...
Some results are clearly data flubs on my part. When we have LTD for Week A, as well as weekly sales and LTD for Week C, filling in the weekly and total for Week B shold be easy. However, a typo can lead to...
Dragon Quest Monsters Joker clearly had some supply issues:
Monster Hunter Portable 3rd had a pretty big spike to over 100K in February. Without checking, I'm guessing it was that special hardware bundle.
Mario Party 4 looks to be the top result closest to Just Dance, in that it more than doubled in late December to over 100K.
I think Sony might want to copy the 3DS's price structure...
plagiarize
Banned
what does it cost Sony to lose monster hunter as an exclusive? given the potential damage in sales to the hardware (and thus every piece of software on it) why didn't they do everything they could to tie up the exclusive, no matter how daft the payment seemed?
Sony made the hardware that made MonHun on a portable possible. they were lucky that MonHun on a portable was something people obviously really wanted, but given that it wasn't possible on the DS, i think some credit goes their way there.
we know Sony have stopped paying for third party exclusives because... lol... what 3rd party exclusives do they have anymore? in debt or not, they needed to dip into those cash reserves to secure their biggest title remained exclusive imho. losing all those exclusives from PS2 to PS3 really cost them. i can't really imagine how much damage MonHun 4 launching on 3DS *first* has and will do the PSVita in Japan.
I don't know who screwed up and where but Nintendo could never accept the deal that was about to made. Wasn't that the main reason they aborted the whole thing and sided with Philips?
Through the Dec 5-11 thread.
How did you find these numbers !
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
The problem with a hypothetical Monster Hunter 4 G being moved to Vita eventually is that if the 3DS has already created a massive user base as most of the PSP MonHun Portable crowd migrate, why would they bother? The game is heavily dependent on local co-op in Japan, and if the fanbase is already invested in MH4 on 3DS, I don't think a "G" release will be enough for everybody to go get a new system if the 3DS is already on the road to millions.
EDIT: This seems like a system-wide thing too. Multiplatform games won't help if they're based around local multiplayer because in a country like Japan you choose the platform with the most people playing. This isn't like consoles, where you pick the platform you get behind. It's closer to MMO's - the biggest social circle is a feature nobody can challenge.
EDIT: This seems like a system-wide thing too. Multiplatform games won't help if they're based around local multiplayer because in a country like Japan you choose the platform with the most people playing. This isn't like consoles, where you pick the platform you get behind. It's closer to MMO's - the biggest social circle is a feature nobody can challenge.
yurinka
Member
Why don't you post Vita and PSP numbers?
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Cool bro, but right now it's like pulling teeth to get him to admit the 3DS and iphone/ipad are competing for the same consumer. And before anyone says "[insert apple product] is not for gamers blah blah" shut up, that argument doesn't work.
/rant
TL;DR Apple and Nintendo are competing
Don't worry baby girl, Vita will get support from the usual suspects (Falcom, NIS, Atlus, etc) so you shouldn't be concerned on that front.
It'll also share some multiplatform games, both with PS3 and 3DS, and some might say that's gonna hold it down, the end product will probably be great kinda like 999-2 looks.
And finally, the bummer part, styles of games that won't be on Vita, will still find home on other platforms, be it 3DS, PS3 or PSP still, so it's not as if they're gonna phase out, they'll still be there for you to play. And if you wanna enter the hypothetical what could've been scenario of Vita version would've been superior, well that's no different that PS3 port beggers for every PSP game really, it's a useless practic that won't lead you anywhere.
Vita will stilll be home of the teenager and young adult market in japan, so you shouldn't worry too much unless come next tgs there's nothing. There's plenty of cool stuff coming up already.
While you're right that there is competition to an extent, but I find it still ridiculous that people would compare iPhone hardware sales to 3DS/Vita hardware sales. iPhone is a different device and serve different purposes, sure it may include gaming but is that the only reason why people buy them? Not really, it's more than just that.
Comparing iOS games software to handheld gaming software makes sense but that's about it, really.
Because having the big games on your platform too shows that it counts, all you have to do then is to have those great exclusives. I'm (hypothetically, I already have one on pre-order) not going to get a Vita solely because of the few exclusives if the 3DS will be getting many games like MH exclusively. Having those big games and ports on the Vita too will leave the 3DS with the Nintendo firs party games 'only'.
Father_Brain
Banned
I don't disagree that it's too early to be making sweeping predictions, like, say, that Sony will be forced to kill the platform within 18-24 months of launch and will exit the dedicated handheld business thereafter. But there's far more reason to be pessimistic about Vita's commercial viability - namely, the near-complete lack of likely system-sellers on the horizon, even after multiple press events held while 3DS' position strengthened - than there ever was about 3DS. Most of the "3DS doomed*" talk was a reactionary response to poor sales figures with little in the way of logic to back it up, other than some software delays and a few high-profile game cancellations (the latter of which were dubiously linked to 3DS' early sales but which could entirely or primarily be attributed to other factors).
Hopefully an exclusive head-line is not to far away but I don't know what title they will need.
I can't help but feel they should have left the handheld market and concentrated on PS4.
If vita doesn't do well then surely PS4 will suffer and after selling their samsung stake what else do they have?
I can't help but feel they should have left the handheld market and concentrated on PS4.
If vita doesn't do well then surely PS4 will suffer and after selling their samsung stake what else do they have?
airmangataosenai
Member
What? Final Fantasy moved to 360 and it still boosted PS3 sales the week it came out to over 200k which still stands as the system's best week ever. The first Dynasty Warriors more than quadrupled the sales of the PS3 when it hit and gave the system it's first victory against the Wii. These games aren't outliers either, most games moving to the PS3 for the first time that sold well moved a lot of systems when they first launched regardless of whether or not they were also on the 360/Wii.
I'm honestly not sure what games you're referring to here, maybe Tales? Vesperia actually saw a drop from the previous week but that's only because the system's sales were artificially inflated because the new model hit right before that game came out.
I'm honestly not sure what games you're referring to here, maybe Tales? Vesperia actually saw a drop from the previous week but that's only because the system's sales were artificially inflated because the new model hit right before that game came out.
StoppedInTracks
Member
So how long till PSP hardware numbers are getting banned by Sony from MC charts.
Because there's only 1 PSP game in the top 20 and 0 Vita games in it as well?
nvm I'll do it for you
PSP 57,320
Vita 0
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I REALLY hope the industry is taking notes on what pricing works and what doesn't in today's economy.
All of the Big 3 should be shooting for a $299-$349 launch price for their next systems. Anything over that is going to be destroyed.
All of the Big 3 should be shooting for a $299-$349 launch price for their next systems. Anything over that is going to be destroyed.
Opus Angelorum
Member
I agree the comparison is somewhat unreasonable, however it is valid.
Before the iPhone/iPod Touch rose to fame, the choice for a child at Christmas was either a DS or PSP. Now it's DS, PSP, iPhone/iPod Touch or even the iPad. Despite their differing core selling point.
electroplankton
Banned
ah ah, what happened at the end of 2009? Final Fantasy XIII launch?
yurinka
Member
I don't know, ask the millions who bought it in PSP, the ones who bought the tons of PS2 ports in PSP, and the ones who are making it in 3DS, like with SSFIV (it sold 1M) to name one.[Nintex];33808528 said:
Maybe they prefer to play to play portable ports of the game they love in the bus/train, to play local multiplayer at school, etc.
Ok, thanks. I thought it was total SW sales of the thousands of games in the market, not only the top20.
Maybe Nintendo will call them first to hide DS HW numbers.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Just wait for the inevitable inevitability.