Meant to quote the guy you quoted, my bad, because he was the one with having trouble hitting 60.
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Nvidia GTX 6xx/7xx Launch Thread of Swirling Kepler Rumors
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Meant to quote the guy you quoted, my bad, because he was the one with having trouble hitting 60.
They take time to write drivers that work.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Nick_GTL reads like the people companies give free products to so that they go on forums and do positive spin for them.
You don't know what their future cards will be like at the moment. Just hope they are good enough or better so prices go down.
You don't know what their future cards will be like at the moment. Just hope they are good enough or better so prices go down.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
BF3, Batman Arkham Asylum DX11 (PhysX OFF), Saints Row The Third DX11, Crysis 2 with DX11 patch and High Res textures. Those are just off the top of my head. 2 way SLI GTX580s are a joke for how much money they cost me. I got the first one in December of 2010 and the second on March 2011. I paid $580 and $550 respectively for two 1.5GB EVGA cards which I keep OC'd to 820. It has barely been one year and the setup is struggling with the latest games worse than any other multi-GPU setup I ever had. I am upgrading as soon as Nvidia releases their successor.
2600k @ 4.5GHz which I am borrowing from a friend who just upgraded to an LGA 2011 socket platform, but as I said, I am only borrowing because I am getting a 3770 processor when it's released.
Edit: I just booted The Witcher 2 and I remembered I cannot max that game either. Seriously, most dissappointing "enthusiast" setup I've ever had.
cartman414
Member
NVidia needs to get on with it. Find it hard to get myself excited about AMD/ATi right now. Great cards but bad drivers. Any word on whether that's changed?
What caused this "AMD has bad drivers" opinion? At first I thought it was an ongoing joke but I guess not. I have a 5870 and other than problems with Battlefield Bad Company 2 (grey screens for a month or two) and Rage at release (every thing), I can't think of any other problems I had.
The "bad drivers" thing is pretty much about day-1 with new games. AMD seems to have a significantly higher number of issues with new games. In addition, they often disable forcing any kind of AA through drivers, lack options like forcing AO or controlling just how much MLAA is applied to an image (it's either on or off. Nvidia let's you control the quality of FXAA), and there's a very limited number of options available in general when compared to Nvidia.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Back in the day (rage fury days) ati was notorious for having bad drivers, and imo the cards themselves were not particularly reliable either, although drivers could be blamed for that also, I think for some people that mud stuck, they jumped on the green bus and never looked back.
BoobPhysics101
Banned
How am I a troll or ignorant? If the cards were hitting VRAM limits they wouldn't have benched as high as they did, period. It's easy to see in the graphs that they weren't hitting VRAM limits or you'd see huge FPS dips every time the scene changed, also the minimum FPS would be far lower.
Seriously dude, you seem to have little to no technical knowledge yet you're trying SO hard to find a good reason/conspiracy as to why the 580 isn't scoring as high. VRAM is the issue in those tests.
Because people need a thread to discuss Kepler, 7xxx series has its own thread, and information about Kepler should be coming out in droves over the next 60 days.
I've been on AMD until I got a 580 this year, and while the OpenGL issues on AMD were pretty terrible, the nVidia custom resolution options alone pretty much prevent me from going back. Absolutely invaluable for emulation. The control panel is way better overall, though.
so my plan is to pretty much stick with the best single-GPU nvidia cards for a while.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Raises hand.
Alot of people are defensive of the gtx 580.
The problem with the gtx 580 is that its a power hog . The video card uses alot of power compared to the amd verisons.
THe 7970 is a really strong card. It is priced to high but like it or not its the fastest single gpu card and is priced inline with the gtx 580 cards . At stock speeds its faster and uses less power. To me these are compelling reasons to buy the amd card.
Kepler is most likely coming in June , its what all the noise is pointing too and I have no doubt it will be faster than the 7970 . However the 7970 is clocking like a mofo and I believe that AMD will release a respin of the chip at higher speeds intime for whatever Nvidia comes out with. Who knows what will be faster , but hopefully its close enough where prices fall
The problem with the gtx 580 is that its a power hog . The video card uses alot of power compared to the amd verisons.
THe 7970 is a really strong card. It is priced to high but like it or not its the fastest single gpu card and is priced inline with the gtx 580 cards . At stock speeds its faster and uses less power. To me these are compelling reasons to buy the amd card.
Kepler is most likely coming in June , its what all the noise is pointing too and I have no doubt it will be faster than the 7970 . However the 7970 is clocking like a mofo and I believe that AMD will release a respin of the chip at higher speeds intime for whatever Nvidia comes out with. Who knows what will be faster , but hopefully its close enough where prices fall
Jin
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When you say struggle do you mean you can't get 60fps with everything max or something else?
I have a GTX 590 which is weaker than your 580x2, but I can manage 55-60fps with everything max on all the games you listed at 1080p except Batman (don't have it). It only dips when there's a ton of crap on screen.
Fuck me, this is a vs. thread already? Jesus Christ.
I held off (I use the term loosely... as reptile said, it's $750 here) on getting a 7970 and found a cheap 5970 to sit with my 5850. I doubt any cards coming out could wow me with any features/speed/price to the point of justifying ditching them, but the software/driver side is such a massive detriment to the power they provide that a good card with good support could sway me. But I'm certainly not jonesing for a new card like I was a few weeks ago.
I held off (I use the term loosely... as reptile said, it's $750 here) on getting a 7970 and found a cheap 5970 to sit with my 5850. I doubt any cards coming out could wow me with any features/speed/price to the point of justifying ditching them, but the software/driver side is such a massive detriment to the power they provide that a good card with good support could sway me. But I'm certainly not jonesing for a new card like I was a few weeks ago.
you might find games in the coming months that will be limited by the 1gig vram cards
Not on a 1080p screen, I don't think?
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
I just want both companies to have their 1st full lines of cards out ASAP so we can get some price dropage as well as work on a just a smaller refresh of stuff maybe for the fall. I'd love a DX11 28nm card, but I'm not forking over a ton of cash just to get one.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
It means I cannot get 60fps constant. Also, I am very nitpicky when it comes to my PC gaming. On the consoles I am willing to put up with graphical issues, but when I dump over 1k on videocards, I expect to make no compromises and the sad truth is that I have to. Also, I find it unbelievable that you are experiencing 60fps constant in those games. Maybe you are just oblivious to fps drops. In Saints Row The Third, which is the least graphical intensive game of the ones I mentioned, I can easily experience fps drops when you hit a gang and cars and explosions start piling up. BF3 stays at 40-50fps with drops even down to 30fps when I play on a 32v32 server. I had to dial back to high for this game.
some stuff coming out this year will really give you trouble at 1080p and 1gig of vram. But they will all released in the fall so yo ucan allways upgrade then.
chickdigger802
Banned
Silly slightly off topic question, but have mid size towers changed over the years? i'm using a 4 year old tower and find it pretty damn hard to even slap in a gtx 460.
yeah on 1080p.
I haven't really payed that much attention to ati nvidia but from the little I know, nvidia gives quite better driver support/better drivers, more likely for games to work on launch on nvidia systems on better performance while Ati gives stronger graphic cards at the price you would get an nvidia card. Basically better price for powerful cards. Is this correct?
Interesting, from experience my standard clocked SLI 580's never drop below 60fps in Crysis 2 with the Patch and all settings on Max with High resolution textures. You may have something wrong with your computer if you cant maintain a stable 60 in Crysis 2. I also maxed Witcher 2 and stayed above 60 fps, you might want to check your SLI profiles and see if they're up-to-date. I cannot speak for the other 2 games as I haven't got them.
This is with a Core i7 860 @ 3.6Ghz btw.
As for ATI, bad drivers are still going on, a few years back i brought myself a 5970 dual-GPU card from ATI, I experienced so many problems with it (massive amounts of texture flicker in about 60% of games i played, microstuttering everywhere that was far more detectable than my previous 8800GTs) that i bought 2 GTX 460's instead. ATI's drivers may be good enough for single cards these days, but for Crossfire they suck, prone to extreme microstutter and waiting for new drivers to play the game at all sometimes plus a lot of the time the driver update comes with crippling bugs in new games. Don't get me wrong, if Nvidia and ATI swapped driver teams and drivers, i'd be buying ATI cards in a heartbeat.
But they do know how to push good FPS in benchmarks, I'll give them that, sadly with microstutter that fps is useless for me.
As for these cards, I think like DennisK4 I'll be staying out of this particular "generation" as the GTX 580's perform so well on games atm.
I can't wait. Picked up a 30" monitor recently and my 580 1.5 will probably start to struggle at those resolutions. So I need something in the 3GB and up range. Hopefully their cards will outrun AMD, as I'd be very reluctant to buy AMD.
Unfortunately I won't jump on anything at release. Stock coolers are the bane of any high-end GPU and I simply refuse to buy that shit. So I'll either wait until someone does an aftermarket solution ( Accelero xtreme ) or a manufacture fitted solution.
Unfortunately I won't jump on anything at release. Stock coolers are the bane of any high-end GPU and I simply refuse to buy that shit. So I'll either wait until someone does an aftermarket solution ( Accelero xtreme ) or a manufacture fitted solution.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
I get 60FPS on Crysis 2 no problem.(DX11 and high res pack) Arkham Asylum same. (PhysX on high) Battlefield I can't get 60 maxed, between 30ish and 40ish on ultra maxed out, I get 60 on Just cause 2, on Space Marine. any and all games at 1920x1200. I wonder if there is some Driver issue or compatibility issue going on. it's the nature of the platform unfortunately and it can be dissapointing. this is all at stock settings by the way.
but my question is how much more powerful will the 6xx or 7xx series will be compared to the 580? are there any rumored numbers?
Maybe it's the 1.5GB versions you have? I have SLI 580 Lightning Xtreme (3GB editions) and can max any game out. Unless you're playing @1080p+? When I say maxed I mean top settings and 60fps+. This includes The Witcher 2, BF3, Crysis 2 etc
StoppedInTracks
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I don't doubt you for a second there and I'd be annoyed to say the least after dropping one grand on gfx cards and not getting what I wanted BUT are you sure your next purchase will give you what you want (60fps @1080p)?
There is Doom 4 around the corner and 2013 next-gen ports.
Don't waste another grand, dude. Be 100% sure the future setup will get you what you want.
People expecting 60 fps minimum in every game with all settings max are just setting themselves up for disappointment, I don't care if you got dual flagship gpus there will be scenarios where they will buckle and go under 60 , and I certainly don't just mean due to a game's technical/visual prowess...
specialguy
Banned
some already are, easily.
About Kepler, yeah, what is the most common rumor?
I mean I've seen something about a 576 CC, 905 mhz part, this would be about 30% faster than a 580 by math. But then it's supposedly going to sell for 399.
Further confusing, there's rumors Nvidia is getting rid of it's doubled shader clock, so you'll have one clock like on AMD parts. If that's so I dont think we'll be able to directly compare performance by clocks/units (it will probably be lower, hence the 399 price?).
evil solrac v3.0
Member
sometimes SLI/xfire is wonky as I have been finding out.
The Janitor
Member
My thoughts aswell, I reckon hes running out of Vram since SLI or crossfire can't use Vram from both cards.
BF3 for instance uses insane ammounts of vram maxed so even I with 2 x 6970 (which means I've got 2Gb Vram) can feel it
Unknown Soldier
Member
Sometimes?
Unless Nvidia and AMD are going all-out to optimize the game because it's a benchmark staple like Crysis, make that most of the time.
That being said, I'm going to be sitting on my GTX 470 SLI setup for quite some time. I don't intend to upgrade again until I can find a single-GPU setup that outclasses the dual-GPUs I have now, which means it's likely I'll be waiting until whatever is after Kepler to upgrade. I don't feel like investing in a dual-GPU setup again.
bee
Member
bet they release the 770 and 780 first then 760 about 5 months later like usual, hope not though, will be going for 760 sli. my 560ti 2gb sli has done really well and i dont have any serious issues with sli or even surround, could definitely do with some more frames in some games in surround though, looking at you bf3
dr_rus
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The whole point here is to make money, not to be the first with something something all the time. A new process is a new process, it cost more, it's capacities are less, fail rates are much higher and so on. NV is more often first than second when it comes to releasing updated chip on the same old process. If you look at current 7970's avialability the real question you should ask is why AMD feel so compelled to release a product that will be in a very short supply for several months after the release instead of just selling their previous generation GPUs in droves until a new production lines are ready for a replacement.
Ahh, interesting on the refreshes during a generation.
The shortage of new stock is what folk call a paper launch right? There just seems to be a lot (bit?) of buzz about the new AMD cards (at least on GAF, I don't frequent to hardcore PC sites/forums).
Anyway, I guess my real point wasn't about "businesses making money" or the problems they face; just that if one company is launching a product of comparable performance 6 months after their main competitor... what gives?? (Secretly hoping Kepler's performance is spectacular and because I'm not rocking a gaming PC right now I don't care that much about power consumption.)
Cheers.
TheThunder
Member
About time
I was afraid that Nvidia was gonna roll over and play dead while AMD keeps selling their cards without the pressure of competition or price drops.
I was planing on upgrading my PC around Ivy Bridge anyway, I'll just see if the IB can surpass the 2500k in gaming performance or not, and hell if it doesn't I might get a nice discount on a 2500k once the IB are out.
Let the games begin.
I was afraid that Nvidia was gonna roll over and play dead while AMD keeps selling their cards without the pressure of competition or price drops.
I was planing on upgrading my PC around Ivy Bridge anyway, I'll just see if the IB can surpass the 2500k in gaming performance or not, and hell if it doesn't I might get a nice discount on a 2500k once the IB are out.
Let the games begin.
AMD have horrible linux drivers so that's why I can't buy an amd card regardless of how good the hardware really is.
Agreed. Unless there is actually any real information this thread should be locked. This is just a desperate grab at trying to land the OT before anyone else can, or a pathetic attempt to try to take attention away from the 7970.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Let me count the ways:
-prototype shadows still borked completely after all these years, never fixed...
-skyrim doesn't scale at all
-saint's row 3 super low fps
-homefront unplayable performance degrading even on lowest setting
-rage (well rage had stutter problems on both platforms, nevertheless)
-deus ex HR stutter
-witcher 2 drunkmode slowdown, was never fixed on hd 48xx series! only fixed on the newer cards (the usual fuck you from amd for 'legacy' support if you can call 3 years legacy)
+microstutter in a miriad of games even on single gpu.
There's more but these are the ones that come to mind.
Amd has always had a bit more problems than nvidia but lately it completely takes the piss.
Then there's the fact that nvidia has way more awesome supersampling AA options and way better SLI support.
My old radeon 9800 pro was released like 2 years before vista was and it NEVER got vista drivers, ever.
You always had to run some broken xp driver and the 9200 cars don't work at all.
Amd is terrible with support, they forget their hardware exists within 2-3 years after release, you can count on that from my experience.
TheThunder
Member
You realize you are speaking about BoobPhysics101 right ?
Well, to be fair, I have the microstutter problem on my GTX 460 for Deus Ex: HR. This is the first time I've ever experienced it. It really does make a 60fps game seem like it's running at a junk framerate and I'd quit PC gaming if this was the norm. That's some messed up incompetence whatever causes it.