xxjuicesxx
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I never said that about H4 I just said I like Evade and Sprint. I hope H4 is fast by default and has evade and sprint. I love speed and I do good thinking fast.
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Evade needs to be modified. I want a dodge for sure, always have what with rockets and power weapons being how they are, but a huge somersault is overkill.
HiredN00bs
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So many things were wrong with 2. Like objectively wrong.
Hydranockz
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I hope we get side thrusters similar to Armoured Core. No reduction of hitboxes caused by the roll.
StalkerUKCG
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Sprint and Evade have a place but that place isnt halo. The MW series has been built with sprint as a key element like wise with gears respectively.
Halo was not built with sprint or evade as key elements and the inclusion of them in a single game is not enough to warrant it as a permanent change. Its something which has a profound effect on encounters and in my mind detracts from some of the elements that made halo great,
Id sooner see a return to duel wielding than sprint.
That maybe the case but in many peoples mind including a great number of the hardcore crowd Halo 2 was the best playing of the series. A halo 2 clone without any of the glitches and in HD is for many an ideal halo. Ideally thats how id like halo 4 to be, Sure add some form of equipment to it but keep the things from H2 that people loved like the jump hight, movement speed and kill times.
Halo was not built with sprint or evade as key elements and the inclusion of them in a single game is not enough to warrant it as a permanent change. Its something which has a profound effect on encounters and in my mind detracts from some of the elements that made halo great,
Id sooner see a return to duel wielding than sprint.
That maybe the case but in many peoples mind including a great number of the hardcore crowd Halo 2 was the best playing of the series. A halo 2 clone without any of the glitches and in HD is for many an ideal halo. Ideally thats how id like halo 4 to be, Sure add some form of equipment to it but keep the things from H2 that people loved like the jump hight, movement speed and kill times.
I suggested this way back when we saw the trailer. Having a thruster pack be default would be nice.
-Allows Sprint
-Evade without hitbox changes
-potential double jump
Reagan's BR
Banned
There was a cool mod for Halo 2 that aimed to make it like Halo 1 with a few quirks. One of the weapons was a pin point accurate instagib gun. It was placed as a power weapon on maps and had very little auto aim and a long wait period between cycling rounds.
Halo 2 Combat Evolved
See the "handheld guass canon" at 1:05. It was actually fun to use. It only had 4 rounds. If you missed a shot at a guy you were 4 shotted before you could shoot again.
A27_StarWolf
Banned
I get sad when we start talking about evade again. I'm just to the point where I pretend it doesn't' exist
Halos 1 through 3, yeah. We're talking about Halo 4, though.
A27_StarWolf
Banned
That would be quite cool actually. I would like to see how well that would work with Halo. Instead of an armor ability by default, I wonder how well it would play as an item on the field?
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Thats my point, Halo's core gameplay never included this so called "4th element of fun" that the keep trying to add first with equipment and then with AA's and i deem sprint and evade part of that.
Halo plays beyond fine using the movement of Halo 1-3 and id like it to continue in that fashion by all means try new things something might stick and become a fan favirote but with the mixed reception sprint got it isnt sprint.
Sprint is basically a get out of danger quick card it allows people to take more risks without any actual risk because escaping with it is so easy.
Some kind of dodge ability id been fine with a quicker faster drastically lower jump in what ever angle the player pushes when tapping LB for instance to possibly get out the radius of rockets or grenades with a large cool down would work for me.
Not a fucking cartwheel ala evade.
Dude, nabbing a headshot while some BK is cartwheeling would be pretty damn satisfying.
Somersaulting just doesn't do it for me.
Steelyuhas
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It's one thing to talk about sprint in Halo 4, but Halo Reach was not designed for evade to be used by Spartans, so I see no reason for it to ever be discussed in that fashion for Halo 4.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
"Shit I'm losing a gunfight, time to evade/sprint/armor lock hero my way out of here!"
I suicide for better spawns.
There's no point in sequels if the game was perfect to begin with. Remake Halo: CE MP with 60 FPS and all the other modern shooter bells and whistles, give it to the super nostalgic people out there to shut them the fuck up, and give me Halo 4, which hopefully will bring new gameplay elements to deepen the combat while retaining Halo's unique arena flavor. I outlined much of my ideas on this front in a post on the last page, but let me respond to your concerns about evade: don't make it a "get out of jail free card".
It's quite simple, actually. Design evade so that correct and skillful use is promoted when using it. For example: make the user more susceptible to damage while mid roll, be it more damage or a stagger effect when hit during a roll. Make rolling into solid objects cause the user to lose some footing (or some other penalty), requiring proper situational and positional awareness in order to execute the evade to its fullest potential. A simple "press LB, dodge shit" button isn't good design, I agree. Doesn't mean the concept of dodging can't be implemented effectively, however.
xxjuicesxx
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Don't pigeonhole Halo 4 by saying Halo isn't about different movement options.
Wanna know the first fucking thing I said on my FIRST game of Halo 2. BR's on Relic. I said "How the fuck do I dodge Kevin?" and he said "you don't" Lol. I was coming from Unreal Tournament that has double tap left or right arrow to jump that way.
Just because you don't like the implementation of the AA's doesn't mean you should be saying NO to it in Halo 4. They could implement them amazingly in H4 and it could be awesome.
To some people it already is. I like evade I think its fun. I'm a little tired of plain vanilla Halo.
Wanna know the first fucking thing I said on my FIRST game of Halo 2. BR's on Relic. I said "How the fuck do I dodge Kevin?" and he said "you don't" Lol. I was coming from Unreal Tournament that has double tap left or right arrow to jump that way.
Just because you don't like the implementation of the AA's doesn't mean you should be saying NO to it in Halo 4. They could implement them amazingly in H4 and it could be awesome.
To some people it already is. I like evade I think its fun. I'm a little tired of plain vanilla Halo.
ncsuDuncan
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My beef with Evade is that it's used less for evading things and more for sprinting.
I'd like it much more if you had a slight stun penalty to movement after every use. You can still look around and fire, but your walk speed is cut down to 25% for a brief second.
So dodge that grenade, but you better be prepared to hold your ground at the end of your roll.
If you grab a sword and evade in the direction of another player you better hope to be within range after the first leap (you can't evade a second time until the movement penalty wears off).
(Of course, if Evade was Elite-only this wouldn't be an issue.)
I'd like it much more if you had a slight stun penalty to movement after every use. You can still look around and fire, but your walk speed is cut down to 25% for a brief second.
So dodge that grenade, but you better be prepared to hold your ground at the end of your roll.
If you grab a sword and evade in the direction of another player you better hope to be within range after the first leap (you can't evade a second time until the movement penalty wears off).
(Of course, if Evade was Elite-only this wouldn't be an issue.)
I like my thruster idea. 3 AA's in one, not over powering and all players are on equal game due to everyone starting with it.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
As i said id be more than happy with a well executed addition to player movement the problem lies with "if" it could be well executed. And by that i mean until its in the worlds hands and played with everyday problems wont become apparent. And in this scenario when they obviously do, like they did with AA's they are difficult or time consuming to fix and the reception of them are mixed with people loving them and others hating.
Its not about nostalgia its about wanting a fun experience, i turn on halo now and people and flying above me others are rolling around some sprinting and other are frozen in one place with armour look its makes for very very erratic gameplay i never know what the guy im shooting is going to do.
Evade no matter how much it got balanced would still in its very core be "escape death". otherwise its pointless what other use could it serve? and their lies my problem, when i encounter someone my kill or death should be dependent on raw skill with the weapon and my player movement not on if they can roll away and avoid the situation. Your tweaks would nerf evade and i think they would do the job well but it still remains that the player has a avoid death crutch.
Dodge can have a place but only if its a small scale movement, if the player is still as vulnerable when using it and is unable to fire. a quick low standing leap for me would fit all these categorys and id be interested in it as a gameplay element.
Might be for this.
Without the sprint though. Sprint fucks with base player speed. But if everyone came equipped with this thruster pack, players would have awesome mobility.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Id be for the thruster pack idea if it kept players upright and could be used as a quick movement in any direction. Anything else would be over kill.
Killing someone isn't merely a function of your ability to kill. It's a ratio of your killing ability relative to your opponent's ability to kill you/defend themselves. Evade would be a way to defend oneself. It would preferably be designed in a way that complemented confrontational situations, and not be solely a stalling/runaway tactic.
Heh, people glossed over my post on the last page already? Fine, I'll flesh it out a little.
Dash
- Sprint would become a default ability, accessible at all times via one of the bumpers.
- Uses the suit's thrusters to compliment Master Chief's naturally high speed.
- Has a similar 'energy gauge' as Reach, and can be turned on and off as desired.
- Sucks to your asth-mar; instead of wheezing, Halo 4's Dash would simply emit a mechanical hiss; still an audible warning, but not as obnoxious.
- Uses the suit's thrusters to compliment Master Chief's naturally high speed.
- Has a similar 'energy gauge' as Reach, and can be turned on and off as desired.
- Sucks to your asth-mar; instead of wheezing, Halo 4's Dash would simply emit a mechanical hiss; still an audible warning, but not as obnoxious.
Slide (Example).
Press Crouch while dashing.
- When sliding, your hitbox becomes smaller and you move slightly faster, but decelerate very quickly.
- Think of it as a short, forward-only evade.
- Immediately uses all remaining dash 'energy'.
- If it proves too cheap, damage against a sliding opponent could be increased (since they're kind of prone).
- Think of it as a short, forward-only evade.
- Immediately uses all remaining dash 'energy'.
- If it proves too cheap, damage against a sliding opponent could be increased (since they're kind of prone).
Long Jump
Press Jump while dashing
- Roughly the same as a jump-from-sprint in Reach.
Thruster Jump
Tap Jump during a long jump.
- Immediately uses all remaining dash 'energy'.
- A "double jump" that doesn't increase vertical height much, but greatly extends horizontal distance covered.
- Would accelerate forward movement as well, in the direction the player is aiming.
- With some skill, could be used to change direction rapidly in mid-air, like long jumping along a wall and then thrusting into a gap?
- Since it can only be used during a long jump, it can't be used to 'hover' like a jet pack.
- A "double jump" that doesn't increase vertical height much, but greatly extends horizontal distance covered.
- Would accelerate forward movement as well, in the direction the player is aiming.
- With some skill, could be used to change direction rapidly in mid-air, like long jumping along a wall and then thrusting into a gap?
- Since it can only be used during a long jump, it can't be used to 'hover' like a jet pack.
Shoulder Ram
Tap Melee while dashing.
- Uses a boost from the thruster to quickly accelerate forward.
- Immediately uses all remaining dash 'energy'.
- Causes half of regular melee damage, but it knocks things away from you and forces their view to one side slightly.
- Prevents Sprint-into-melee cheapness, but can really disorient someone or push them off a ledge.
- If too cheap or powerful, a small amount of shield damage could be caused when ramming into an enemy.
- Immediately uses all remaining dash 'energy'.
- Causes half of regular melee damage, but it knocks things away from you and forces their view to one side slightly.
- Prevents Sprint-into-melee cheapness, but can really disorient someone or push them off a ledge.
- If too cheap or powerful, a small amount of shield damage could be caused when ramming into an enemy.
I can work with this, and some of the other mobility ideas on this page.
I responded to your H4 Wishlist, by the way.
Our Odin is Big Boss 0din. I had to double check, and realized that there is a 60 wait time between searches.
ActiveRush
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That "leaked" picture looks like its ripped straight from Battlefield 3 or Killzone. I hope it not legitimate Halo has always had a somewhat sleeker style torwards it's weapons that I like.
The Real Napsta
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CE > 2 > all
Yeah, I edited it a bit too, to make it clearer. Dash would have an energy gauge like sprint, and certain actions would immediately burn off that energy. I like the idea of having a sprint... I don't like the idea of it being available quite as often as it is in Reach, however.
Bah, somehow I missed it in the shuffle. Reading now I'll probably respond here since the Wishlist thread has moved so far ahead.
It'd be a big change to Halo, but a potentially awesome one.
Would really make you feel like a Spartan.
Slightly Live
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Beaver Creek and it's rampant homo-eroticism.
Not anymore, I a now watching Netflix.
In the current game, I don't mind sprint for larger area BTB battles, but for 4v4 stuff and with flag/bomb carrying speeds, it really kills smaller/mid size maps. I am just not a fan of all these things that give people another button in their back pocket to escape a battle - I see that moreso on evade than sprint, but sprint can also figure in to that. Enough of the abilities that deflect bullets (bubble shield, AL), or give instant health when fired on (regen). They're garbage. One pickup was already given for an extra shield that drained over time and when shot and that's an overshield. Keep it, clip out everything else.
If they have crap like evade in H4 or things that gives players more crap to spam around, I'm done.
StalkerUKCG
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Fastforward to this very moment when i realise its your motto and imagine how much of a bellend i feel.
good games anyway, nerd.
sorry i had to bail nutter, one of my roommates sleeps in the room with the good tv and my xbox so he went to crash and watch tv.
I like this. It's like Crysis 2 without some of the un-fun multiplayer components. I was going to say the slide sounded like Crysis, then went through the example and the description is "CRYSIS 2 RIPOFF."
"Leaked" Halo 4 picture from mlg, looks shopped badly.
Palace of lies.
Steelyuhas
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Is the location on the horizon that those beams are coming down onto. Real shot confirmed.
In retrospect (Haaaaa), the AAs-on-Weapons feels a bit too much like me longing for the days of Perfect Dark, when a gun could also be deployed as a proximity mine, or an auto-turret. Or had a built-in Stealth Generator. I keep forgetting that the reason that worked so well in Perfect Dark is that you usually had something like 6 weapons on you at a time, whereas the charm of Halo is that you can only carry two.
I'm honestly not crazy about loadouts in general. To me, map and weapon control are two large parts of why Halo MP stands apart. If AAs are dropped or downgraded, there's really no reason to have them. I'd almost rather just have a larger pool of weapons that fill roles that were once AAs. For example, why haven't we ever been able to equip a Jackal's shield as a weapon (admittedly, the time to do it was when dual wield was around, but maybe picking it up also gives you some kind of weapon too)? The Spartan Laser could be reined in by making it an "EMP" Cannon, very useful against vehicles (like the Energy Drain in H3) but not so great against Infantry.
I am definitely in favor of going back to Camo and Overshield powerups on the map. The map design almost always (usually... looking at you, Wizard) put them in a place that was far from the objectives, so players trying to face down a clump of guys on defense could use it to their advantage.
And good god, I need more reasons why you don't like the Silenced-SMG. I *adore* that damn gun.
Yeah, I've never played Crysis 2, but when I looked for videos of people sliding, those came up. Most of the videos are of people doing goofy slide glitches, like sliding across 50 feet of sidewalk and sniping people as they go.
Oh, and I forgot to mention; that particular implementation of Sprint wouldn't need the fat asthmatic dude sound effect anymore; there could instead be a subtle hiss or rumble from the thruster pack. Win / win!
Blocking bullets with energy sword. Fuck that shit. Shit was annoying.
Then you had the damn ninja trolls. Got Damn.
The Real Napsta
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Dual weildable Jackal shields! Make it happen!
Shotgun, Gust, Strangle, etc... There were counters, I'm talking about just the ability itself, Wired Reflexes, it's a dash in any direction, can double your jump height along with enhancing other abilities, and has a penalty (lose HP) for each use.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
That was actually pretty awesome, kinda like Kevin Butler 2.Oh
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