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Kotaku Rumor: Xbox 3 has BluRay, Kinect 2 w/ processor, anti-used games, 8x 360 power
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Agent X
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I was wondering how is is that Apple (with iOS) and Google (with Android) were able to successfully combat the sale of used games on their platforms. I don't recall anyone complaining that those companies were "against the used games market", and all of their users seem to be perfectly satisfied with the notion of only having the ability to buy their games new. I wonder why.
Anyway, remember the recent rumor/speculation that Xbox 3 might not be a home video game console in the traditional sense, but instead take the form of an advanced tablet device for gaming that could also be connected to a TV? Perhaps this could be the plan. Microsoft could sell all of their Xbox 3 games as digital downloads, and by nature of not having physical media, could eliminate the used game market on that platform altogether.
Anyway, remember the recent rumor/speculation that Xbox 3 might not be a home video game console in the traditional sense, but instead take the form of an advanced tablet device for gaming that could also be connected to a TV? Perhaps this could be the plan. Microsoft could sell all of their Xbox 3 games as digital downloads, and by nature of not having physical media, could eliminate the used game market on that platform altogether.
MiniBossman
Member
I'm really thinking this is bull. Its got to be something more along the lines of a season pass thing.
$1 Vs. $60
grap3fruitman
Banned
No used games? So what happens when I'm on my 9th console? Do I have to re-pay for some shit license eight times? I'm kind of bitter because I'm in the teens for 360s and now my 360 slim is giving me issues with loading games...
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
The used game thing is ridiculous FUD. Making that move unilaterally would be market suicide and everyone knows it.
I doubt the forced Kinect bundle part. It increases their perceived barrier to entry and we all know how much MS likes accessory up-sells.
I doubt the forced Kinect bundle part. It increases their perceived barrier to entry and we all know how much MS likes accessory up-sells.
Totilo has gone on Twitter to insist his source on the Used Games issue is very good: http://twitter.com/#!/stephentotilo/status/162222501714337792
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
If it's in there, it's in all three. MS just isn't as good at containing leaks.
Uno Venova
Banned
Even though I'm not that excited about the nextbox already looking at their first party situation, this would be the final nail right here.
Or maybe just two... Or one?
If activision and EA, ubi came up to you and said "we won't develop for your platform unless you restrict game function to validated purchases only" what would you do? Imagine if they went to Sony and Nintendo and they both laughed it off.... Microsoft would be grinning
It has to be industry wide. MS doing it by itself is pretty useless.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Selling discs that were tied to a specific machine was already attempted with movies. The results were disastrous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX
I bought some of the premature death/failure-themed titles when they were down to a few cents each. (Dying Young, Marked For Death, Sudden Death, Meet Joe Black, etc.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX
I bought some of the premature death/failure-themed titles when they were down to a few cents each. (Dying Young, Marked For Death, Sudden Death, Meet Joe Black, etc.)
I honestly don't see what's so bad in an anti-used game system. In a couple years most games will be offered digitally for the same prices you'd find them used in your local game shop. There's no reason really to purchase used anymore. You're not supporting the industry either. Publishers take a hit, and will be less willing to fund risky projects. I'm sure the MPA and UMG would be for this too if enough publishers tipped manufactures like Sony, Samsung, and Panasonic that they'd like to be in on it too. In the future, the only reason for used games would be renting, which Sony and Microsoft will probably provide through the PSN and XBL respectively.
Either way, I don't see it happening. There are people in this world without access to the internet, which would make digitally renting software impossible. There will still be need for a physical used market, but that should change in a generation or two. If somehow they were to add an exception where rentals had temporary activations, I'd be all for this.
Either way, I don't see it happening. There are people in this world without access to the internet, which would make digitally renting software impossible. There will still be need for a physical used market, but that should change in a generation or two. If somehow they were to add an exception where rentals had temporary activations, I'd be all for this.
Pachterballs
Banned
this is one of the most head scratchingly stupid posts in this thread. you wonder why do you? How about the fact that you can't simply cannot resell the apps/used games which are sitting on your iOS/android device.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Steam shows that it's possible, but the console manufacturers don't seem to be willing to follow Valve's lead. All of their games on demand have been overpriced and stayed that way.
If true, it will probably just amount to some code you have to buy if you rent or buy a used game. An evolution of the online pass to the full game, if you will. Can you imagine just wanting to rent a game to see how you like it, then having to pay a fee just to be able to even access the title screen?
Im_So_Pringles
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All of these rumors are basically different! Which ones should we believe!?
Yeah, that's not going to happen. Sony and MS would sooner take over as providers for renting software. There's no way they'd charge any more than a one-time fee.
In other words, the code will come with the rental via GameFly, and/or Sony and Microsoft will take over as service providers and you'd just download the game digitally and purchase a one-time rental license that lasts for however long you payed (1 day, 2 days, a week, whatever). This would be more likely than the two fee system you propose.
Agent X
Member
You evidently missed the sarcasm there.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Oh, it was a rental format, alright. lol
But the intent was to replace DVD, and the real ownership option (Gold) was vaporware.
Even Silver could be revoked.
It wasn't a purchase format, because the people involved didn't want people to be able to own movies.
Developers on the app store are free to play more with their price partly because they don't have to worry about used sales. Not saying all games will be $1, but we'll see more freemium (how people on GAF rage against that, I have no fucking idea) and low/mid budget titles for sure. If MS/Sony give publishers/developers the ability to change price of their DD titles on the fly, like on the app store, there'll be aggressive sales. Consumers will win because price will become a point of competition between games.
Rookje
Member
Poor people buying games... did you read what you wrote?
Note to Valve: Big Picture Mode cannot come soon enough.
I know Steam is the epitome of anti- used games, but at least they've made crushing consumer rights seamless and convenient. And they also find ways to throw us a bone.
Other than 1st party games, I'm ready to go
PC exclusive.
As for the "6-8x More Powerful", it better be. That's traditionally what we expect from a new generation of hardware.
I know Steam is the epitome of anti- used games, but at least they've made crushing consumer rights seamless and convenient. And they also find ways to throw us a bone.
Other than 1st party games, I'm ready to go
HT
As for the "6-8x More Powerful", it better be. That's traditionally what we expect from a new generation of hardware.
Tylahedras
Banned
FullMetalx
Banned
If Microsoft does go anti-used and makes it primarily digital downloads then their strategy it to probably bound the people with Microsoft forever. I can never buy any other phone other than the iphone again because I have invested too much into itunes. Well I guess people already are bounded to Microsoft because of Xbox Live.
Proelite
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6x-8x is pretty good if they decide to launch this year, and you get to play Halo 4 at 60fps with some extra AA.
Might be possible since they're making hundred of thousands of these new chips supposedly in a few month.
The specs, if true, are 50% below my expectations, but it's not bad enough for me to suicide yet.
I buy and keep all my games, so the used game deal is no big issue. I would rather they have it in place so that developers have get more profit for their projects.
Might be possible since they're making hundred of thousands of these new chips supposedly in a few month.
The specs, if true, are 50% below my expectations, but it's not bad enough for me to suicide yet.
I buy and keep all my games, so the used game deal is no big issue. I would rather they have it in place so that developers have get more profit for their projects.
Just speculating of course, but it is still a lose/lose either way for the consumer. With Gamefly, I currently have no time limit on how long I keep games, and then of course that brings us back to the used game question. In which case, if they did indeed go the code-based/product-key route, buying used would still require paying twice in order to play the game.
For crying out loud, it is already happening for multiplayer with rentals and used sales anyway, so I would not put it past them to just implement it for the full game in some form or another. Again, though, just speculating here. Rumors are rumors until it is confirmed, but as a consumer who enjoys renting and saving money on games that I do not feel are worth full price, I am totally against any further move in this direction.
I also buy and keep my games. But I enjoy loaning the good ones to family and friends. According to the videogame publishers, that's tantamount to rape and murder on the high seas.
Proelite
Member
Since it's a loan, maybe they can lock some of parts of the game that players can only get to after extended play time. I.E. All levels after 20 for COD, so unless you buy a pass, you can only play with limited weapons, perks, equipment etc.
Or the higher difficulties / achievements of a single player game.
I'd be okay with this, not ecstatic but I would be ok
The sheer number of rumors that have been floating around , especially in the last 2 months tells me that the usual leaky cauldron of secrets known as Microsoft is back to fine form.
Recall that the 360 was known about nearly a year before it was even shown off and the closer we got to that televised unveiling the more rumors popped up and more of them were true.
This thing is DEFINITELY coming out within the next 24 months, it will be a bigger power jump than xbox -> 360 was and it WILL have some extra DRM type setup within it.
I keep revising my own personal predictions , some of these rumors have got me thinking we'll see 2 sku's again but it won't be in the way it was at the 360's launch.
No, I think all the 360's will have built in solid state flash drives , a 64 GB model and possibly a 256GB model. Obviously the larger one will cost more but I'm really beginning to think MS is going to shoe horn in the "all digital" future AS well they will capitalize upon the success of the 360 has a media device instead of a gaming system. The 64 gb model will come with NO disc drive and come with a single controller, and a media remote for 299.99. ALL content will be digital download only , the only expansion port will be a a single slot for more flash memory as well as a capability to attach a traditional HDD of much larger size for more storage. This model will include the kinect 2.0 camera.
The 256GB model (or whatever happens to be a larger cost feasible size) will come with a build in bluray drive , 2 flash drive slots AND the ability to add a traditional HDD but it will NOT come with kinect 2.0. It will likely retail for 399.99 again. I can see it now - the cheap model will be sold as the "xbox 1080 Media" while the more expensive model will be "xbox 1080 gamer".
I rambled on about the DRM thing ages ago in another thread where I "predicted the evil future of games". I think it will simply be an obvious extension of what we already have. When you buy a game retail it'll come with an online pass card and in some games this card would be required to even let the game load up , there'd be a triple handshake with a verification server- you'd put the disc in and before you even saw the "load game" icon pop up , the xbox would be communicating with a central server just to make sure the disc was real, upon verification the system would get the OK to load the game, THEN, once loaded the game would ask you to scan the included card with either the kinect or perhaps the new controller has a built in tiny camera /mic combo ? Either way , a QR code would suffice instead of a lengthy number string. This would sign the game into the xbox and once again the xbox would communicate with a server somewhere, affix that code to your gamertag and that game , the game discs would also have some sort of individual code on each copy so that specific disc would be signed to your system , your gamertag and that QR code alone. Perhaps in some cases, doing all this would allow you to download some free DLC , play online and install some or all of the game in question to the SSD for much faster load times.
Were you to buy a used game that was signed to someone elses system, the initial check would succeed but without a valid QR code the xbox would prompt you to basically pay for a digital version of the game or depending on the publisher a license to play the game you just bought. The minimum price for a new code would be 10$ , so this would in turn force used game resellers to buy your stuff for 10 dollars less and in turn sell it to someone else for 10 dollars less , or give the publishers money for a new code.
I can't see them blocking out used games completely but between a digital only console and something similar to what I described above most assuredly in the works , it's only a matter of time before we get there.
Recall that the 360 was known about nearly a year before it was even shown off and the closer we got to that televised unveiling the more rumors popped up and more of them were true.
This thing is DEFINITELY coming out within the next 24 months, it will be a bigger power jump than xbox -> 360 was and it WILL have some extra DRM type setup within it.
I keep revising my own personal predictions , some of these rumors have got me thinking we'll see 2 sku's again but it won't be in the way it was at the 360's launch.
No, I think all the 360's will have built in solid state flash drives , a 64 GB model and possibly a 256GB model. Obviously the larger one will cost more but I'm really beginning to think MS is going to shoe horn in the "all digital" future AS well they will capitalize upon the success of the 360 has a media device instead of a gaming system. The 64 gb model will come with NO disc drive and come with a single controller, and a media remote for 299.99. ALL content will be digital download only , the only expansion port will be a a single slot for more flash memory as well as a capability to attach a traditional HDD of much larger size for more storage. This model will include the kinect 2.0 camera.
The 256GB model (or whatever happens to be a larger cost feasible size) will come with a build in bluray drive , 2 flash drive slots AND the ability to add a traditional HDD but it will NOT come with kinect 2.0. It will likely retail for 399.99 again. I can see it now - the cheap model will be sold as the "xbox 1080 Media" while the more expensive model will be "xbox 1080 gamer".
I rambled on about the DRM thing ages ago in another thread where I "predicted the evil future of games". I think it will simply be an obvious extension of what we already have. When you buy a game retail it'll come with an online pass card and in some games this card would be required to even let the game load up , there'd be a triple handshake with a verification server- you'd put the disc in and before you even saw the "load game" icon pop up , the xbox would be communicating with a central server just to make sure the disc was real, upon verification the system would get the OK to load the game, THEN, once loaded the game would ask you to scan the included card with either the kinect or perhaps the new controller has a built in tiny camera /mic combo ? Either way , a QR code would suffice instead of a lengthy number string. This would sign the game into the xbox and once again the xbox would communicate with a server somewhere, affix that code to your gamertag and that game , the game discs would also have some sort of individual code on each copy so that specific disc would be signed to your system , your gamertag and that QR code alone. Perhaps in some cases, doing all this would allow you to download some free DLC , play online and install some or all of the game in question to the SSD for much faster load times.
Were you to buy a used game that was signed to someone elses system, the initial check would succeed but without a valid QR code the xbox would prompt you to basically pay for a digital version of the game or depending on the publisher a license to play the game you just bought. The minimum price for a new code would be 10$ , so this would in turn force used game resellers to buy your stuff for 10 dollars less and in turn sell it to someone else for 10 dollars less , or give the publishers money for a new code.
I can't see them blocking out used games completely but between a digital only console and something similar to what I described above most assuredly in the works , it's only a matter of time before we get there.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
So your machine would only hold one game, then you'd have to wait for another huge download every time you wanted to switch? Oh, and it would burn through my bandwidth cap every couple days?
They're preparing.
Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-01-24-report-gamestop-closes-northern-ireland-storesGamesIndustry.biz said:
T.M. MacReady
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Seriously.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I assume we'd see all new releases also and forever available via digital distro. You'll never run into a situation where you can only find a game used because you'll always be able to download it. See: Steam.