I don't disagree, and I don't love the idea of specialized traversal in the first place, but I'm interested in seeing how we mitigate the impact that the ability has on Reach. The ability itself isn't going away anytime soon. I do think, though, if you are in a situation on a map like Reflection where your team controls the top hallway that a jetpacker who is defenseless by taking a risk and jumping up is exponentially less annoying than one that can rain down grenades and AR fire. Ultimately, I think it comes down to a better-balanced ability being single-minded in it's capability rather than giving you extra abilities on top of your normal killing power.
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DcLevartho
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Rough sculpt finished (after having to revert from a sizeable loss from file corruption) Onto re-topology and detailing for the final mesh.
I really feel like the Grav Lift was the jet pack perfected. I know a lot of people hate equipment, but with proper spawn timers, and a re-tweaking of some of them, to me, they're hands down better than load outs and AAs.
thezerofire
Banned
I agree. If you couldn't shoot or throw grenades, or maybe even just the grenades, it might be better.
Or just lower how long you can use it, essentially making it a double-jump
I loved the grav-lift
The Librarian
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Rough sculpt finished (after having to revert from a sizeable loss from file corruption) Onto re-topology and detailing for the final mesh.
That looks so cool.
Edit: I agree. Gravity Lift > jet pack.
I loved the grav lift too but the problem was that people eventually just put them in the same optimal spot each time, so at that point you might as well have a button on the map that turns on/off a mancannon/path/door. And it was usually placed right next to the optimal spot so you didn't even need to go to one part of the map to secure it and then bring it back to the optimal spot.
Although levitating a bubble shield or flag on top of one was pretty hilarious.
I agree that things like the gravity lift that were designed around secondary systems were great. I think the Radar Jammer and Grav Lift could have had incredible impact on the state of objective gametypes. Equipment was marred by the focus Bungie put on survivability and kill-enabling pieces and that they were never as scarce as they should have been. It enabled a new level of camping and being cheated out of kills. It was never an event, because you'd see it 4-10 times per game. We already had an item that increased survivability: the Overshield, an item that was rare, predictable, and not deploy-at-will. Adding more which were not only more effective, but more convenient and frequent, on top of that really destroyed my enjoyment of the average game.
It was a case of something that has been touched on in the last few pages - change that could have been something great but that lacked in execution or that became fundamentally flawed at some point along the way.
thezerofire
Banned
That's true, I guess, but people were always finding new places for them, or new uses, like making warthogs fly over you instead of into you. The bubble shield thing was pretty funny too. I don't think buttons quite have the same interaction reward that throwing down a grav-lift has though
Yea, I definitely agree. The other thing that killed some equipment was that it affected both teams no matter what. A Flare/Radar Jammer is worthless if it affects you as well, there's no point to it really, then you have griefing with the Trip Mine, etc. Good idea, poor execution on a lot of them.
I'll never forget that time I grabbed the flag on High Ground, the gate wasn't open, so I threw my grav lift down and jumped to the top of the turret making my escape, so good. See, I don't have a problem with that type of change, but when you go mucking up my gunplay and nades, we got problems.
A compromise here would be to make the jetpack drain faster and have a lengthy cooldown so it acts more like a grav lift that you can redeploy. More jumppack than jetpack.
Bregmann Roche
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Bungie makes the game Bungie wants to play... ... ... until the next Modern Warfare comes out.
Yes! On some maps (Uncaged, for example) jetpack is better at horizontal movement as well.
The auto-high-ground issue that you mentioned is exacerbated by the fact that many of the maps have almost no vertical cover. Powerhouse has tons of cover for conventional encounters, but almost none vs. a jetpacker.
Ironically, Sword Base has plenty of cover vs. jetpackers but because of the layout of the map the jetpackers will get to the actual high ground and/or power weapons before anyone else and still have the advantage. The same holds true for Countdown, Reflection, etc.
DcLevartho
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Thanks, and it only took a few years to get off junior status, no big deal haha.
Steelyuhas
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What do you mean?
thezerofire
Banned
You already see the HUD.
Do you mean the visor lining?:
I hated that shit.
Customizable HUD's please.
Rough sculpt finished (after having to revert from a sizeable loss from file corruption) Onto re-topology and detailing for the final mesh.
lovely.
Hypertrooper
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Everytime I read a comment about Halo 4 must get/needs/should get big changes, a German folk wisdom comes into my mind. We German says "Only if you lost it, you understand which value it had." People never really clarify what they mean with "big changes". I grasp that they want big gameplay changes. I heavily disagree. Reach is a good example. Reach has big changes in the gameplay fomular. Some people love it first. (I belong to them, too) But at the end I start hating it. Do not misunderstand me. It isn't like that Reach is bad. The gameplay is great now. And if I play Custom games or lag-free games where no one quits, I have fun too. But I miss the former gameplay. I miss the freedom in level-design I had in Halo CE, Halo 3 or ODST. etc. About the multiplayer I share Ramirez' opinion.
Now that I'm late to the discussion, no one cares about this post. I shall continue sleeping and dreaming about the hoodie.
Now that I'm late to the discussion, no one cares about this post. I shall continue sleeping and dreaming about the hoodie.
A27_StarWolf
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I really liked the portable gravity lift in Halo 3 on High Ground, I always thought it was a small, but really cool ace in the hole.
Ugh I just fucked up the recording on this MLG song hard. LOL I was supposed to go through the chord progression 4 times and then hit the ending but I recorded multiple takes with bass and acoustic guitar only doing the chord progression 3 times. FUCK!
edit: Scrapping bass, sounds like ass.
edit: Scrapping bass, sounds like ass.
Steelyuhas
Member
You already see the HUD.
Do you mean the visor lining?:
I hated that shit.
Customizable HUD's please.
Barlow is this what you mean?
Agreed with ply, don't like that lining.
Reach HUD is awesome
arguing about reach is pretty cool but not as fun as reading fox news comments about the Anonymous phone call leak
Osama Obama Biden (Bi)n La(den)
One coincidence? Two coincidences?
NO COINCIDENCE
Unelected officials have taken over Washington and are orchestrating the daily news. 90% of the comments and replies you're reading online come from an NSA software program spamming the internet. COMMENTS ARE CREATED BEFORE THE STORY IS REPORTED. They are designed to generate a response and will engage people in real time.
The oldest, first, highest, best, and most popular rated comments are all propaganda. They are conducting Psy-ops (psychological operations) for domestic spying. They have 1000's of handles and are determined to bury the truth and attack anyone...
Osama Obama Biden (Bi)n La(den)
One coincidence? Two coincidences?
NO COINCIDENCE
Unelected officials have taken over Washington and are orchestrating the daily news. 90% of the comments and replies you're reading online come from an NSA software program spamming the internet. COMMENTS ARE CREATED BEFORE THE STORY IS REPORTED. They are designed to generate a response and will engage people in real time.
The oldest, first, highest, best, and most popular rated comments are all propaganda. They are conducting Psy-ops (psychological operations) for domestic spying. They have 1000's of handles and are determined to bury the truth and attack anyone...
Hydranockz
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Show more!
Wait what?
Nice ninja edit there
Wait what?
Nice ninja edit there
Demoncarnotaur
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No, honestly this is a very true and good point. A lot of things can go unappreciated and you dont recognize their potential and value until they are gone. Im not saying I dont want changes for Halo 4, but I also am not saying to completely undo what past titles have established.
Hell, Im willing to bet some things from Reach that people complain about a lot would be missed if they were gone completely.
DcLevartho
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Thank you, the roughness will go away once I start ripping the mesh apart and re-topologize, from there I'll add more mid-range and fine details.
I think he meant the HUD somehow having a bigger contrast with the scenery. It's hard to to read stuff sometimes depending on what's going on in the background and often you have to readjust the camera to a darker shot just to be able to see/read something clearly.
That's not at all accurate especially coming off of Halo 3 which instead of Bloom had random spread and travel time on it's utility weapon. You have a better chance of mastering bloom than the BR's spread as it's something you actually have a measure of control over.
Hypertrooper
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I'm not against changes etc. But even small changes can give the game freshness.
Hydranockz
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I still really want to hear what the music of Halo 4 will sound like. Its going to be weird without Marty but it can also be very very good too.
(Also better not show him level 3, still needs more tightening)
Tell him to make the first half more interesting and for shits to actually happen.
No but for real.
The Librarian
Banned
Ouch man... ouch.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Frankie, is the codpiece going to be a Halo 4 legendary edition exclusive?
Tell him to make the first half more interesting and for shits to actually happen.
No but for real.
I just did. Now he is writing a character called Senador who goes through a brevit mutation and becomes a one-legged midget with a hitler mustache. But in the first half.
Hypertrooper
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Can I get a signed copy of the third book in a year?
The Librarian
Banned
Yes. If only I had something soft and flexible laying around to wrap it in for shipping.
Hydranockz
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Halo 4 to be shipped in satin cloth confirmed.
I think a gray twill cotton blend would be better.
Blue Ninja
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Can we all?
Hypertrooper
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I obviously don't get what you are referring to, but I like the idea.
After awhile it doesn't hurt anymore. After awhile... *madlaugh*
You're going to crush that poor boys spirits with empty hoodie promises.
VivaciousJazzy
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Just finished working on my twitch.tv page and I'm decently happy with how it turned out.
Its posts like these that make me wonder why the great fronk has no twitter.
Its posts like these that make me wonder why the great fronk has no twitter.
Hypertrooper
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He has. But he is too old to tweet. Or he is scared to read Whitta's tweet.
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