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Guild Wars 2 News And Information Thread [Large Beta Weekends In March/April]
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Vigilant Walrus
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You are absolutely right, but the majority of what you are saying (highlighting it's faults) to me makes GvG "not fantastic".
I never got comfortable with it, and had little fun with it, when I did it. TA was simply easier to deal with, and even FA had more options for making a difference as a solo.
IMO the price of admission was way to hard for how it was designed and that's why even the designers abandoned it. So I am welcoming a playstyle were you can jump in, and have fun by yourself. It's more in the spirit of guild wars. Not to do all sorts of preparations.
Guild Wars wants to be easy to play, hard to master. skill > time, and so on and so forth.
It doesn't matter if GW2 has better pvp or not than GW1. Nostalgia is a bitch and regardless of outcome, plenty of people will put their rose tinted glasses on and cry for the days of GW1. Nostalgia is a big bitch, and he lives on the other side, were he paints the grass greener.
Nope. If it is better, it will be better. If it is worse, it will be worse. This isn't NES platformer nostaliga. And many people, myself included, prefer preparation and a coordinated match. I played enough random in UT years ago and jump-ins are awful. GvG was overall a very well implemented system, regardless if you are a fan of it or not.
Team play > ronery play
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
So is the NDA lifted as soon as 1AM hits?
The NDA doesn't actually lift, but I believe the info starts coming in at 6 AM PST.
Complistic
Member
yeah the NDA isn't lifting, there is however an embargo lifting on certain information.
"unofficial" explaination of the trait system picture.
Pictures (Apparently in High Res):
More: http://imgur.com/a/arG5x
Pictures (Apparently in High Res):
More: http://imgur.com/a/arG5x
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Pretty sure some of those pics are old due to me seeing them before.
Tomorrow. Should be a new thread for it, so watch the main page (or this space, I suppose we'll all jump over to that thread?)
The game is in a completely different state than it was the last time it was shown to the public. Also, sometime this week we will be getting information on a beta that will be accessible to the public. Perhaps the new thread can be for press beta impressions, and then expand its purpose to all beta impressions when we get access ourselves.
12 hours remaining. I'm ready.
I don't know, this seems like a pretty big step forward in terms of how far along the game is. There's going to be a flood of info and impressions coming out this week and a new OP to keep all those organized seems like a good idea.
Oh, crap. I am sorry guys and gals. I was thinking today was Monday. Anyway, when does it look like the release date will be. I am going to say May.
Jira I assume is making it?
SpacedCadette
Member
I had no idea a console version was on the cards. It would be cool if that leads to PC version controller support.
As others have said, any time there's a major update, the News and Info thread is usually spared the damage a flood of information causes; tomorrow would probably double the size of this thread and there will be lots of pictures, links, quotes, etc. It's basically chaos. In the interest of keeping some semblance of sanity over the long term, a new thread is the best option so that the News and Info thread can still be used to direct players to the core info (in Jira's awesome OP) without feeling like the info is coming a mile a minute.
It can be a tad confusing, really, but it's better than one thread getting nuked into oblivion.
Absolutely, he's done a fantastic job keeping this thread up to date and making the info available quickly, so I see no reason why he wouldn't handle tomorrow's surge. If not just because he's earned the right, then because he's actually so committed to the game that he'll do the best job of it.
He has dibs on the OT too as far as I'm concerned.
The console version, as near as we've been able to tell, is something they're tinkering with but is not confirmed at this point. Their comments imply that it's just a couple of guys seeing how feasible it is, and not to draw any conclusions that a console version is on the way (nor that looking into a console version has 'dumbed down' the game in any way). We've discussed how the buttons would be mapped to a controller and the sticking point has always been precision targeting of spells. The only way around that that I see is to ensure the console has a precision input device, like the WiiU's touchscreen or Sony and Microsoft's inevitable rip-offs.
Apparently this is the WvW map.
http://imgur.com/AjIoJ
Reddit thread discussing it. It's still a work in progress.
I understand the balance reasons for mirrior maps for the 3 worlds, but I'm hoping they go through and add different aesthetics for each one. I'd really hate to travel from my home map into enemy territory only to have it look identical to my own map other than the different colored flags and banners.
It also looks like each area is separate and probably split by loading screens, which is a bit of a disappointment. I would have loved it to be all one seamless environment, but I had a feeling it wouldn't be.
http://imgur.com/AjIoJ
Reddit thread discussing it. It's still a work in progress.
I understand the balance reasons for mirrior maps for the 3 worlds, but I'm hoping they go through and add different aesthetics for each one. I'd really hate to travel from my home map into enemy territory only to have it look identical to my own map other than the different colored flags and banners.
It also looks like each area is separate and probably split by loading screens, which is a bit of a disappointment. I would have loved it to be all one seamless environment, but I had a feeling it wouldn't be.
Complistic
Member
they said a while back its 4 zones.
If they have the big numbers taking place in one battle then they would need to split it up to lessen the lag and all that so I can see why it's three mirrors.
WvW takes place across the 4 maps you see there. Oh and:
Oh, is that 4 maps combined to one shot? Neato.
Really? I thought I remember reading somewhere they had different types & more than just one battle to worry about.
I guess they'll probably add more down the future, not that I'm complaining by any means because 4 zones is definitely huge as is.
You're thinking of competitive 5v5 PvP. WvW is entirely different. There's 4 maps that are in The Mists, this is like its own continent outside of Tyria.
http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-ferguson-on-guild-wars-2-world-vs-world
Really? I thought I remember reading somewhere they had different types & more than just one battle to worry about.
I guess they'll probably add more down the future, not that I'm complaining by any means because 4 zones is definitely huge as is.
There are alot of objectives and choke points on the map...
So they've talked a bit about their long term attrition mechanic:
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1124806&postcount=135
"Morning.
Let me explain what is actually happening.
Every time you get defeated (so after you have been downed and failed to rally) one piece of your armor gets damaged. Once all your armor pieces are damaged, they will break - and you will have to repair or replace it.
It is very different from a durability system other games use, as you cannot avoid being hit by opponents - but you can avoid getting defeated by skilled play.
So if you never get defeated, you will never have to repair a single piece of armor.
Hope that helps, we have a blogpost about it coming soon that will get into more details."
" One important thing:
Stop thinking in GW terms when thinking about "dying". GW did not have a Downed State.
We have been testing this system for quite a while now, it feels very natural when actually playing and not just theorizing about it (And yes, I know that you all would rather play then theorize, we are working on it ).
To answer another question: Armor pieces do not get destroyed, they just become useless unless you repair them."
I'm fine with this kind of gold sink as it rewards people when they play better. Also, I'm expecting repair kits to be sold on vendors like ID kits or salvaging kits. Maybe larger ones created through crafting. Anyways, this doesn't bother me as much as it initially did when I read it.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1124806&postcount=135
"Morning.
Let me explain what is actually happening.
Every time you get defeated (so after you have been downed and failed to rally) one piece of your armor gets damaged. Once all your armor pieces are damaged, they will break - and you will have to repair or replace it.
It is very different from a durability system other games use, as you cannot avoid being hit by opponents - but you can avoid getting defeated by skilled play.
So if you never get defeated, you will never have to repair a single piece of armor.
Hope that helps, we have a blogpost about it coming soon that will get into more details."
" One important thing:
Stop thinking in GW terms when thinking about "dying". GW did not have a Downed State.
We have been testing this system for quite a while now, it feels very natural when actually playing and not just theorizing about it (And yes, I know that you all would rather play then theorize, we are working on it ).
To answer another question: Armor pieces do not get destroyed, they just become useless unless you repair them."
I'm fine with this kind of gold sink as it rewards people when they play better. Also, I'm expecting repair kits to be sold on vendors like ID kits or salvaging kits. Maybe larger ones created through crafting. Anyways, this doesn't bother me as much as it initially did when I read it.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Sounds good to me. I think the downed system will add an interesting dynamic to fights that you don't get with traditional deaths.
GoofsterStud
Member
Damn... The wow durability system is coming back to haunt us!
So now we can combine wow durability with ghost res costs! >.>
I love being annoyed.
So now we can combine wow durability with ghost res costs! >.>
I love being annoyed.
No, it's not like that at all. In WoW you took durability on hits and of course on death and you had to run off to an NPC. With this system your gear becomes damaged only upon death and it will likely take 6 deaths before you need to repair. The good thing is I can guarantee you there will be repair kits you can carry with you so that it's not an inconvenience and still provides the necessary gold sink. If you don't die, you don't lose any money and it's really that simple. So you'll likely lose less money the longer you play the game rather than always losing money no matter what.
You might want to ask a mod to close this topic and move everything over to the new thread.
Uhh well no if that were going to happen I'd want to make some big changes to the thread overall, I've done a lot more work with my MMO champion & gw2guru threads that I simply couldn't do due to not having the space I needed. People have already posted in the other thread and so I'm screwed once again.
That I shall, thank you.
Dont understand why people want this. How are you supposed to manage healing/targeting large groups, or using your hotkeys effectively? Its like using a controller for a pc rts. Sure, you CAN, but why bother?
Only MMO I used a controller for was FFXI, and that was cause it was so mandatory.. it was at least slower paced so that hot keys didn't matter too much before the end-game.
Slower 2 button hot keys, slower camera, and having to put controller down to type, are pretty much enough for me to avoid it.
Escape Goat
Member
I think as soon as MMOs become simplified enough you can play on a console I'm done with them.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Aren't you a bit late to the party, it's already happened.... twice.
PvE maybe, but if you tried something like WoW PvP on a console it would go poorly for you.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
WoW's pvp is utter shite... anyway mmo's with pvp on console has again already happened.
Not with any game that has serious PvP or uses much in terms of combat depth. Anything more than like 5 or 6 hotkeys and consoles don't do so well, if the game is faster than an army of snails at least.
PSU for example, isn't even a proper MMO, and it's an action game more than an RPG in gameplay.