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PS Vita western launch thread, p. 2 | Simply the most desirable handheld yet released

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patsu

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Nothing? I've played physical copies of Uncharted and Lumines, and I downloaded the Netflix and LiveTweet apps. And 8 jpeg files for backgrounds.

That's it. I think? Where is the utility that lets me see what is on the memory card?

EDIT: Wow, so PSA everyone: even if you delete something from your springboard with a tap and hold, the data is STILL on your Vita until you pull up the downloads button and click the trashcan in the top left corner. I had "deleted" the Unit 13 demo but it was still on my Vita until I cleared the data. Wowowow that is fucking stupid.

Did you pause the Unit 13 demo download half way ? Perhaps a staging copy was in your download folder and the unit crashed or something ?
 

Kerrby

Banned
I don't understand how Sony didn't add a select/delete all option in the Messages app

What bothers me most about the Messages app is that the message you get on the Vita also go on the PS3. Even if you've read them they still show up on the PS3 as unread so I had about 30 messages to go through yesterday. This also includes friend requests.
 
Did you pause the Unit 13 demo download half way ? Perhaps a staging copy was in your download folder and the unit crashed or something ?

I didn't, and when I deleted the notifications it cleared up two gigabytes of space on my Vita, so IDK what the deal is with you guys saying it's just notifications. Those are some pretty fucking massive notifications if so.
 

delta25

Banned
I cant stress how awesome the screenshot feature is, its a nice touch to help increase
the overall aesthetics of the vita's OS.
 

patsu

Member
Uses twitter.com instead of letting you choose twitpic/yfrog/lockerz/etc.

Also would be neat if I could tie my bit.ly account. I'm being really picky though, most people wont care

Yeah... I think for common apps, they should keep them simple/fun to use but functional and *integrated* with the system. e.g., It would be nice if the apps can work with each other closely, from taking screenshot to uploading and tweeting.

*If* we have a high quality browser, we can always use it for the advanced and flexible web apps.

And then, there are probably "pro" apps that are deep and full-featured (probably need to cough up $$$ for them).

That said, I think Flickr should allow multi-file upload, and FaceBook should at least be on par with the latest features (though simplified).

And Near...I had maybe 15 people on first night? Now it's 214.

I question its accuracy though. I used it at 3 in the morning yesterday, and then again at 4 hours later and it found 12 more people. How the hell did it find new people in that early in the day?

Near doesn't work at all for me. A buddy and I tried it with our vitas while standing right next to each other even.

Are you able to click on these people and see their "last seen" time ?

One of the things I have been wondering about Near is how the servers handle the increasing load. Generating the analytics and stats you saw in Near can become time consuming if the dataset is large. I can't see Sony building large database and sophisticated infrastructure just to show us the stats in real-time for free. One way to address this is to let the server work asynchronously.

The new people you found early in the day may indeed be people seen earlier. It's just that the servers barely had time to process your old data, and posted them to you at that instant. It's a little like PS+ servers syncing with PS3 servers @ 2am in the morning.


EDIT:
Just saw Shuhei's tweet on Vita:

I just realized Facebook app on PS Vita allows News Feed scroll up and down and photos zoomed in using back touch. A nice touch indeed :)

I think back touch usage is nice, but I prefer more fundamental features like better integration with the OS, games and other apps.
 

VanWinkle

Member
I didn't, and when I deleted the notifications it cleared up two gigabytes of space on my Vita, so IDK what the deal is with you guys saying it's just notifications. Those are some pretty f***ing massive notifications if so.

Yeah, not saying you did anything wrong necessarily, but something weird is going on there. I have a 4gb card so I have been downloading and deleting stuff quite a bit since I got the Vita and have had no problems like that. Weird.
 

Kacho

Member
Bought a Vita this evening and I'm quite pleased. It makes my 3DS seem so primative.

Here's to hoping it succeeds. It has a lot of potential.
 

BFIB

Member
Bought Burnout: Legends to get my Burnout fix, and Capcom Collection Reloaded.

Wow, it is incredible how great PSP titles look on the Vita. Street Fighter 2 looks and plays great, as it should, but its the best color I've ever seen for the game. The colors really pop.

Burnout: Legends plays great also. Lots of detail I missed before on the PSP version, and considering how much ghosting was on my PSP1000 model, I cannot fathom how I played it after seeing how smooth it is on the Vita.

$20 total, two great games, a ton of games on the Capcom Collection. Money well spent.
 

Tain

Member
Got my copy of Shinobido 2 today. I did play it for a little bit, completing some training and 4 or 5 missions and I must admit I was pleasantly surprised. The graphics looked clean and nice (especially during the cutscenes) and doing ninja stuff was pretty fun.
Skimming a couple of posts about it I was scared I had actually purchased a dud, but it seems I didn't, at least not as far as I'm concerned anyways (though the game could still become disappointing later on).

I liked it a lot, myself. I was also one of the bigger fans of the original on this forum, though.
 

patsu

Member
I didn't, and when I deleted the notifications it cleared up two gigabytes of space on my Vita, so IDK what the deal is with you guys saying it's just notifications. Those are some pretty fucking massive notifications if so.

I don't know man. In your case, something may have gone wrong in the following steps:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/psvita/game/game_store.html

Downloaded games are installed automatically when you go back to the home screen. When installation of a game is complete, the game icon appears on the home screen.
Tap the notification indicator and view the notification to determine whether a game was installed successfully.

To retry the installation of a game that was not successful, tap the notification about the failed installation in the notification list.

So clearing the trash can freed up the notifications together with whatever residual files they worked with.
 

dochuge

Member
Just making sure,

I can download Metal Gear: Peace Walker on my PS3 and download it to the Vita directly. Nothing else needed? I may be wrong but I looked on the PS store and didn't see it in the compatibility list although the list looked bigger than what is currently offered on the Vita's store.
 

VanWinkle

Member
I want to buy Daxter. Does the game still hold up? I never beat it when I got it with the PSP 2000 bundle years ago. I remember really liking it, though.
 
I understand the frustration but it is what it is. You think the expanded 360 HD was really worth over a $100 bucks when you could get something double that size and quality for half the price? I can tell you this though I was annoyed as hell when I had to throw down extra cash for a card cause the system wouldn't work without it but in the days and week since it hasn't crossed my mind once. The system is just so dang fantastic in every other area. Just grab a $5 dollar 4GB card they are super cheap on ebay right now.



Buy it! Best platformer I have played in years and if you think the demo looks good you haven't seen anything.

My frustration has nothing to do with the vita, but rather the attitudes and lack of reading comprehension of some of the members Of this forum. I'd elaborate but I'd probably get banned. KMT and SMH.

Moving on...This IS a issue that I guess can be fixed at a later date. If I recall correctly the early memory stick duos were slow as shit too. Like I said, I have no problem buying overpriced cards, long as they are at least high quality performance wise. The evidence seems anecdotal so far so I'll wait until a definitive answer arrives and make my final decision then. Thank you for replying with a bit of thought, it is much appreciated.

I'm curious - but have you ever bought a device with built-in flash before - like iPad, iPod, or one of the smartphones that don't use SDs?
Sure there are cards cheaper then Vita cards - but Flash memory charges in built-in devices are up to 2x higher then what Sony charges for their cards, it's hardly on the high-end of Flash pricing.

Neither here nor there. Every example you cited is a multipurpose device. The vita is supposed to be a pure gaming experience. The memory cards are a required part of this and as such should be of the highest quality to justify their price. It means little if angry birds loads slowly on a iPod touch compared to an iPhone 4s.

The Sony developers cited 2 reasons for the proprietary memory card:
* Security
* Consistent performance

They also help Sony keep the base unit cost low, while Sony earn from people who can afford higher capacity.

That's all we know so far.

Consistent performance is not necessarily high speed though is it? I kinda have trouble believing that the vita cards are any more consistent than high performance Sandisk cards that are used for HD capture and the like.

I really think this is moving off topic of the current discussion anyway. Im going to shut up now. Enjoy your systems guys. Hopefully I will be more willing to join you once this is cleared up somewhat.


If you wanted to get a Vita, you could do what I did and just get a 4gb card, and wait for the price to drop/get faster data speeds on the cards before you buy another. I'm just waiting for either a sale or a price drop because the price is ridiculous.

This is both logical and sensible and is the best of both worlds. I may go this route in the end.
 

malfcn

Member
I got to play one in Target.

First off: holy cow the screen is gorgeous.
Tried Wipeout. The game loaded super slow, and kept having me touch the screen to go through screens to start.

Aaand..the shoulder buttons felt funny. But the grippy analogs felt nice.
 

dochuge

Member
Mutant blobs is totally a hidden surprise. Escape Plan was on my radar (I played the demo at GS) but I play Mutant blobs more. I like Escape Plan but it hasn't held my attention as much as this game has.
 

patsu

Member
My frustration has nothing to do with the vita, but rather the attitudes and lack of reading comprehension of some of the members here. I'd elaborate but I'd probably get banned. KMT.

Moving on...This IS a issue that I guess can be fixed at a later date. If I recall correctly the early memory stick duos were slow as shit too. Like I said, I have no problem buying overpriced cards, long as they are at least high quality performance wise. The evidence seems anecdotal so far so I'll wait until a definitive answer arrives and make my final decision then. Thank you for replying with a bit of thought, it is much appreciated.

The Sony developers cited 2 reasons for the proprietary memory card:
* Security
* Consistent performance

They also help Sony keep the base unit cost low, while Sony earn from people who can afford higher capacity.

That's all we know so far. Sony is still losing $$$ for each unit sold, partly because of strong Yen.
 

patsu

Member
I got to play one in Target.

First off: holy cow the screen is gorgeous.
Tried Wipeout. The game loaded super slow, and kept having me touch the screen to go through screens to start.

Aaand..the shoulder buttons felt funny. But the grippy analogs felt nice.

If you have the chance, it's much better to test a real unit. The demo OS is rather limited and the game demoes are too short.
 

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
Stephen Colbert said:
How fast are the vita memory cards?
Any details on how people are supposedly testing this?
The only user-facing speed test I've been able to do is via USB transfers which is testing USB interface, not the cards(on PSPGo, the USB was 4-6MBytes/s, which was 3-4x slower then the actual PSPGo Flash-memory speeds(20MB/s / 15MB/s R/W) - the real numbers were testable thanks to custom Firmware).

ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
Well it's important information if true. I just bought a 32gb class 10 card for 12 pounds. If sony are honestly saying that I have to pay 5 pound more for a card that is 8 times smaller and runs at half the speed, they can seriously go fuck themselves.
I'm curious - but have you ever bought a device with built-in flash before - like iPad, iPod, or one of the smartphones that don't use SDs?
Sure there are cards cheaper then Vita cards - but Flash memory charges in built-in devices are up to 2x higher then what Sony charges for their cards, it's hardly on the high-end of Flash pricing.
 

Oppo

Member
Just making sure,

I can download Metal Gear: Peace Walker on my PS3 and download it to the Vita directly. Nothing else needed? I may be wrong but I looked on the PS store and didn't see it in the compatibility list although the list looked bigger than what is currently offered on the Vita's store.

That's exactly what I did, so yeah.

Choose the "Hunter" style control scheme and then hold your finger on the screen to assign the right stick to face button camera control.
 

VanWinkle

Member
My frustration has nothing to do with the vita, but rather the attitudes and lack of reading comprehension of some of the members Of this forum. I'd elaborate but I'd probably get banned. KMT and SMH.

Moving on...This IS a issue that I guess can be fixed at a later date. If I recall correctly the early memory stick duos were slow as s*** too. Like I said, I have no problem buying overpriced cards, long as they are at least high quality performance wise. The evidence seems anecdotal so far so I'll wait until a definitive answer arrives and make my final decision then. Thank you for replying with a bit of thought, it is much appreciated.

If you wanted to get a Vita, you could do what I did and just get a 4gb card, and wait for the price to drop/get faster data speeds on the cards before you buy another. I'm just waiting for either a sale or a price drop because the price is ridiculous.


Any details on how people are supposedly testing this?
The only user-facing speed test I've been able to do is via USB transfers which is testing USB interface, not the cards(on PSPGo, the USB was 4-6MB, which was 3-4x slower then the actual PSPGo Flash-memory speeds - the real numbers were testable thanks to custom Firmware).

Let me preface this by saying that I don't know much of anything about data speeds, but why does my Vita load up Flying Hamster ever so slightly faster than the PSP Go does if it's 3-4x slower?
 
Hey this has probably been brought up already but anyone play
Parasite Eve 3 on the Vita?

I always wanted to get it on PSP but wasn't sure if it turned out to be a great game or mediocre one.
 

Pratfall

Member
Apologies if this has been answered already, but how does the vita do in an offline situation. Most of my gaming will be done on my subway commute with no connection and I really don't want a million notifications telling me that the vita has failed to connect to PSN. Before Apple fixed it, the popup you got every time Gamecenter failed to connect bugged the crap out of me. Thanks ahead of time for any responses.
 
So Uncharted Golden Abyss has made a fan of the series again. After being extremely disappointed with Uncharted 3, I took a chance with Golden Abyss. And after only about 8 chapters, I prefer it to part 3.
 

patsu

Member
Consistent performance is not necessarily high speed though is it? I kinda have trouble believing that the vita cards are any more consistent than high performance Sandisk cards that are used for HD capture and the like.

I don't have the measurements or specs. But consistency and high speed are indeed different things. May be it is possible that high performance cards on the market do not offer consistent enough throughput ?

Sony probably also want to make some $$$ themselves instead of subsidizing the base hardware and pay a third party for the memory cards. They may feel more comfortable keeping the memory card security to themselves too.
 

GQman2121

Banned
My frustration has nothing to do with the vita, but rather the attitudes and lack of reading comprehension of some of the members Of this forum. I'd elaborate but I'd probably get banned. KMT and SMH.

Moving on...This IS a issue that I guess can be fixed at a later date. If I recall correctly the early memory stick duos were slow as shit too. Like I said, I have no problem buying overpriced cards, long as they are at least high quality performance wise. The evidence seems anecdotal so far so I'll wait until a definitive answer arrives and make my final decision then. Thank you for replying with a bit of thought, it is much appreciated.

Consistent performance is not necessarily high speed though is it? I kinda have trouble believing that the vita cards are any more consistent than high performance Sandisk cards that are used for HD capture and the like.

I really think this is moving off topic of the current discussion anyway. Im going to shut up now. Enjoy your systems guys. Hopefully I will be more willing to join you once this is cleared up somewhat.

It's only an issue if you make it an issue. You should just say you don't want the system and that you're looking for a reason to not purchase it - and move on. Beating around the bush about bullshit write speeds and memory card quality is a lame way to say you don't consider the system/cards worth the current asking price.

You pay to play. And the current buy in price is a premium. However, if you ask anyone in here who owns the system, and have put in a few hours with the top games, you'd see that everyone considers it money well spent. What the fuck else do you need to hear?
 
Nothing? I've played physical copies of Uncharted and Lumines, and I downloaded the Netflix and LiveTweet apps. And 8 jpeg files for backgrounds.

That's it. I think? Where is the utility that lets me see what is on the memory card?

EDIT: Wow, so PSA everyone: even if you delete something from your springboard with a tap and hold, the data is STILL on your Vita until you pull up the downloads button and click the trashcan in the top left corner. I had "deleted" the Unit 13 demo but it was still on my Vita until I cleared the data. Wowowow that is fucking stupid.

Thanks for this!

I had 1.3 GB of storage missing on my memory card, it turns out, when I downloaded Tactics Ogre, for some reason when my first download was paused, even after resuming (and installing the game) the original paused download was still in my notifications list, so a duplicate of the file was there, essentially taking up space

Pretty odd, but at least I figured out the problem
 
It's only an issue if you make it an issue. You should just say you don't want the system and that you're looking for a reason to not purchase it - and move on. Beating around the bush about bullshit write speeds and memory card quality is a lame way to say you don't consider the system/cards worth the current asking price. You pay to play. And the current buy in price is a premium. However, if you ask anyone in here who owns the system, and have put in a few hours with the top games, you'd see that everyone considers it money well spent. What the fuck else do you need to hear?

If I was just looking for a reason not to buy, I wouldn't have spent the last hour discussing it here. I actually have better things to do with my time,which is why I find some of the responses here so ridiculous.

Ancedotal recommendations don't come into it. I know what I want and how much I'm willing to pay for it. Whether you or anyone else feels different is meaningless to me. I only ask questions because like all my gadget purchases, I do my research first.
 
Looking for some Japan gaming goodness, I bought it after a few here suggested it. I don't know, maybe it's too early for me to make a call but it starts off slow.

The neat thing is that combat can, in of itself, work as a puzzle and the way it does so is unique, actually. Aesthetically, it is a tad boring as taxtures are repeated in each chapter.

All you're doing is moving room to room to wipe out enemies. When you run low on health, you transfer your soul to another soldier and take over their body thus regenerating your health. you can also use this "soul transfer" to attack enemies head on when prompted. At times, you can only weaken an enemy when this prompt appears for you to attack so part of the puzzle is how to get the prompt to show. That part is good, I must say.

Yeah, fuck it. I've played worse games and as far as psp games go, it is unique if a tad slow and challenging at first.

HA that was a great read man thanks. I have so much great stuff to play right now maybe ill just wait till I have more time.
 

patsu

Member
the 3G model still confuses me. Just for casual use, not good for competitive..so casual only, right?

3G Vita offers the following benefits:

* GPS
Applications/games that require knowledge of your location will work more accurately with 3G. You don't have to subscribe to any 3G data plan to use the GPS capability.

* Access to cell data networks
A few games include 3G game mode, but most other games simply use the data connectivity to update stats, leaderboard and scores. You need to subscribe to a data plan for this.
 

GQman2121

Banned
If I was just looking for a reason not to buy, I wouldn't have spent the last hour discussing it here. I actually have better things to do with my time.

Ancedotal recommendations mean little. I know what I want and how much I'm willing to pay for it. Whether you or anyone else feels different is meaningless to me.


And what exactly is that? You know what you want, but how much are you willing to pay for what is currently available? Serious question because I feel more than enough info is available now that the system is out. Not to mention that demo stations are pretty much everywhere games are sold.

Have you played anything yet?
 

Perkel

Banned
Looking for some Japan gaming goodness, I bought it after a few here suggested it. I don't know, maybe it's too early for me to make a call but it starts off slow.

The neat thing is that combat can, in of itself, work as a puzzle and the way it does so is unique, actually. Aesthetically, it is a tad boring as taxtures are repeated in each chapter.

All you're doing is moving room to room to wipe out enemies. When you run low on health, you transfer your soul to another soldier and take over their body thus regenerating your health. you can also use this "soul transfer" to attack enemies head on when prompted. At times, you can only weaken an enemy when this prompt appears for you to attack so part of the puzzle is how to get the prompt to show. That part is good, I must say.

Yeah, fuck it. I've played worse games and as far as psp games go, it is unique if a tad slow and challenging at first.

Game is awasome IMO. Fuck haters.

Game shines most at the end and where you play NG+. And there is crazy amout of stuff to unlock and gain.
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
Got my Hori screen protector and got it on the first try. Not too tricky.

Also got the travel case. With the power cord in it it's a bit snug, but everything fits.
 

Apath

Member
Wipeout 2048 is actually working for me now. This game is so much better now that I can play online and see friend updates in game.
 

Big B

Member
To those thinking about any skinomi screen protectors, don't. The texture is disgustingly rubbery and installing it (at least the full body one) is impossible since the protector STRETCHES and will become bigger.

I don't know if Armor or Barrier Chief is any better.
 
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