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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Did they let the public back into E3? I try not to judge but so many of those people look like rabbid fanboys who made a cheap website just so they could get in.
abstract alien
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I was more so talking about streaming to the controller, but streaming online seems like a really neat idea. Maybe you could even upload it to youtube like the ps3 allows as well.
Well the thing is, Microsoft has done more or less exactly that for the past 2 E3 showings. Nintendo on the other hand tends to alternate between one shitfest conference and two pretty damn awesome conferences in a row.
2006 - Wii's real debut, pretty much their most successful E3 ever
2007 - Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Kart Wii, Galaxy
2008 - Oh GOD someone kill cammie, ravi drums nightmare and wii music
2009 - Wii Sports Resort, Galaxy 2, NSMBWii, Other M
2010 - 3DS awesomefest, 007, DKCR, Skyward Sword, Kirby, etc
2011 - snore fest and botched wii u reveal
So whether MS continues their previous trend of shitty conferences or if they're going to buck the trend is up in the air, but like I said, their last two E3s have been pretty mediocre. I really hope nintendo follows their pattern though and makes 2012 awesome. I can stand to sacrifice 1 out of every 3 E3s for the hype and payoff
Dreamwriter
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The public has never been allowed into E3. You've always had to had proof of industry afiliation or proof you were a member of the media. They just got more and more strict as the years went on (and there were two years where E3 wasn't really E3, and was invite-only even for game companies). And while it may seem like they are unprofessional, the reality is it doesn't take long for the lines for those things to get longer than they can get through in a day. Meaning if you don't get in line quick, you can never get a hands-on report with the new hardware, or if you're lucky you can spend all day in line, not able to cover anything else. So many media people (and a few developers) lose their professionality so they can do their job.
Edit: You want to see REAL craziness, check out the Wii Rush from 2006:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeR0fL9ofYY
Yeah.. Microsoft never does a horrible conference (think: Sony 2006, Nintendo 2003), but it's been a while since I've seen them have a knockout one.Well the thing is, Microsoft has done more or less exactly that for the past 2 E3 showings. Nintendo on the other hand tends to alternate between one shitfest conference and two pretty damn awesome conferences in a row.
2006 - Wii's real debut, pretty much their most successful E3 ever
2007 - Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Kart Wii, Galaxy
2008 - Oh GOD someone kill cammie, ravi drums nightmare and wii music
2009 - Wii Sports Resort, Galaxy 2, NSMBWii, Other M
2010 - 3DS awesomefest, 007, DKCR, Skyward Sword, Kirby, etc
2011 - snore fest and botched wii u reveal
So whether MS continues their previous trend of shitty conferences or if they're going to buck the trend is up in the air, but like I said, their last two E3s have been pretty mediocre. I really hope nintendo follows their pattern though and makes 2012 awesome. I can stand to sacrifice 1 out of every 3 E3s for the hype and payoff
Nintendo seems to be following another pattern also: when they have something big to show and have a single-minded mission in sight, they have at the very least a decent show.
HYPE!
Edit:
Now that I think about it, I'm trying to come-up with a way that Nintendo has a bad show this time around. Even if they were to come-up with a Cammie clone, the content of the show would still be there as the base level of the show.
Could the demos of the games go wrong? Perhaps, but something tells me that this controller has less that could go wrong with it thsn, say, a Wiimote.
You know that the sizzle reel is going to be fine.
And, just going off of 2006, we know that Reggie does a good enough job with presenting new equipment.
It sounds odd saying this, as it's the first time it's crossed my mind, but now I just hope that Nintendo doesn't come-off as too arrogant when presenting their new baby. Iwata seems particularly good at coming out and saying, "this is our new thing, we've worked hard on it for a while, and we really hope that you enjoy it." In fact, I hope they give him lots of stage time.
Dreamwriter
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I don't think Microsoft would straight out lie. They may announce their big thing a couple months *after* E3, but I'd bet a month ban Microsoft doesn't announce their next game system during the week of E3, not after telling the media that they weren't going to discuss any new hardware at E3.
We'll see. I personally think they're going to mention their next console but not show anything. I still think it's going to be a kinect-fest though with some interesting games sprinkled here and there. Maybe one or two big surprises alongside the Halo 4 blowout.
If rumors of a killer instinct reboot are true...oh man...holding off on buying a 360 is going to be very difficult...
At the very least, Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam and Elebits were there in addition to the Ubisoft games.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
All I want for Christmas is a revamped version of the never-released Hi-Ten Bomberman for Wii U.
Come on Huds, I mean Konami. Make it happen. I'd pay one hundred ninety nine dollars for this shit.
Come on Huds, I mean Konami. Make it happen. I'd pay one hundred ninety nine dollars for this shit.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Well the thing is, Microsoft has done more or less exactly that for the past 2 E3 showings. Nintendo on the other hand tends to alternate between one shitfest conference and two pretty damn awesome conferences in a row.
2006 - Wii's real debut, pretty much their most successful E3 ever
2007 - Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Kart Wii, Galaxy
2008 - Oh GOD someone kill cammie, ravi drums nightmare and wii music
2009 - Wii Sports Resort, Galaxy 2, NSMBWii, Other M
2010 - 3DS awesomefest, 007, DKCR, Skyward Sword, Kirby, etc
2011 - snore fest and botched wii u reveal
So whether MS continues their previous trend of shitty conferences or if they're going to buck the trend is up in the air, but like I said, their last two E3s have been pretty mediocre. I really hope nintendo follows their pattern though and makes 2012 awesome. I can stand to sacrifice 1 out of every 3 E3s for the hype and payoff
I'm pretty sure all those 2007 games you listed were at 2006.
Can 2012 top it?!
Agreed.
I usually don't tell my co-workers or family why I'm taking off of work when it's for gaming reasons, but I decided to come clean this week about why I only work 2 days during E3 week. They looked at me a bit funny for a while. I might regret that later.
I'm still debating about what to tell them for the entire week taken off at Launch. At my old job, I'd tell them that I was visiting friends in the tiny town of Hyrule. They never figured it out.
The only way I imagine Nintendo dropping the ball is if they pull a Sony e3 2006 with the price announcement.
MS probably won't announce the anything specific, but I do think they'll have Epic unveil UE4 at their conference.
bgassassin
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More goodness from E3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83GoGHBkdyg
I can't afford to do that. Old Spice told me that wouldn't be good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNbMvlPc_7U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83GoGHBkdyg
I can't afford to do that. Old Spice told me that wouldn't be good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNbMvlPc_7U
I don't think MK Wii was, and Brawl was barely a game in 2006. Galaxy and MP3 weren't released until after E3 2007 iirc. That conference had also had Mario Strikers Charged and phantom hourglass, as well as wii fit (though most gaffers couldn't foresee how significant that would be).
Was a pretty solid E3, imo.
I think their 2010 conference was pretty ballin too and only plays second fiddle to the awesomeness that was 2006.
StreetsAhead
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I've only watched three of their conferences (2008, 2010, 2011) and 10 still gets me excited, right from that 'Sorry to keep you waiting!' moment until the end. It's everything I expected 2011 to have been, and everything (and more) I expected 2012 to be.
abstract alien
Member
The internet ruined what would have probably been the biggest announcement of my life.
Agent Unknown
Member
Heck yes, this was amazing. Maybe the first ever high def multiplayer video game and this was way back in 1993. Was runnIng on some kind of custom PCE/pre-PCFX hardware. According to one of the posters under the video, it wasn't a plasma but a type of "16:9 CRT capable of wide format mid-res." According to another poster, it was mainly offered to government and hospital related venues and went for a whopping 40,000 dollars. Imagine this on the Wii U shop and including some kind of sweet pad/streaming support.
DCharlie
Banned
i can't help but feel that the levels of fantasy are starting to get a little out of control!
It's like we're back at the Wii launch period again.
If the Wii U is to succeed it needs -global- support, Nintendo need to heavily court western developers. If it's "Japanese Dev's To The Rescue!" you might as well start writting the eulogy now. :/
What I loved even more is Reggie's not-so-subtle-jab-at-Sony-Rant over the 3D Glasses before that.
"Oh man, those glasses."
Hmmm... Zelda (Got a remake), Star Fox (Got a remake), Donkey Kong (incoming remake?).
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I just want a reason to be excited for the Upad.
If they can do that small thing I'll probably be in there.
If they can do that small thing I'll probably be in there.
Agent Unknown
Member
I've already taken off Tuesday June 5th from work (that should be Nintendo conference day like always, right?), this will be my second year doing this in a row. Gonna wake up early, grab a sausage McMuffin, a burrito slathered in hot picante sauce and a jumbo coffee then kick back with my lap top and watch the show, good times. Definitely going to take a couple days off for the system launch as well.
Hey, let's face it, at this stage in the game, half the "speculation" in here is fantasy
We need real info to quench our parched delusional minds
Perhaps. DK:3D boxes did mysteriously show up at a gamestop a few weeks back. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised.
I just don't want Retro to be the ones developing it :-(
That's certainly a matter of opinion. I'm looking at my game shelf and don't see a single Western-made title on it with the (debatable) exception of Punch-Out, unless you count Ready At Dawn's Okami port.
We make statements about what it "needs", but we base that on the industry as it exists now. As seen over and over again, things change in a big hurry.
We went from a generation of Japanese 3rd party dominance to "LOLJapan" in what felt like a NANOSECOND. Do you think that it can't switch back just as easily if the proper conditions are met?
And also, as I said, I still expect Western multi-plat games, but I expect a lot of Western devs and their "LOLNintendo" attitude to get in the way of a number of games from Western devs hitting it. Not all, but a big enough portion to cause an East-West gaming schism.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
There were two versions of Hi-Ten Bomberman, 1 in 1993 (Hi-Ten Bomberman) and 1 in 1994 (Hi-Ten Chara Bomb). The later version had Bonk as a playable character. It's been reported on assemblergames.com that it was running on a custom version of a standard Japanese computer (and NEC PC) plus two CoreGrafx II systems for input, plus some fancy HD converter stuff. Then also, it's been reported that a later version ran on the 1992 NEC-Hudson 32-Bit system, IronMan aja Project Tetsujin aka HuC62. See my thread on that subject if you want. Also, my thread on Hi-Ten Bomberman is here.
So maybe the fact that there were 2 different versions of Hi-Ten in 1993 and 1994, that the later version with Bonk was running on Tetsujin/IronMan/HuC64.
DCharlie
Banned
I think we fundamentally disagree on the time scale of the Japanese decline. The demise of Japanese dominance was a long and painful process as far as i'm concerned - and it's been horrible to watch.
We're at the point where a large slew of Japanese dev houses just look a bit lost and directionless (as far as console gaming is concerned). I'm not sure how the Wii U is going to restore that over night.
The Wii -needs- both West and East though - Nintendo need to sway people to give more than token "port" efforts. They need more.
Agent Unknown
Member
That's right, I forgot they had another version with Bonk as a playable character, mind re-blown. Did they ever have any vid or pics of that one? Great to be talking to a fellow fan of old school, niche hardware, will definitely be checking out those threads. I own a lot of TG-16 and import PC Engine games. My Turbo Duo burned out and I plan on replacing it someday. I also own a Supergrafx (Aldynes = amazing shmup). Me, my brother and friends have had many epic Bomberman '94 matches.
Now that I'm not so sure about. Ports are pretty much all nintendo needs from the west. That's more or less all MS or Sony get anyway. 1st parties will always be the differentiating factor, with a random exclusive game or DLC pack here or there.
abstract alien
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Is there any way for nintendo to fully take the west in a post-microsoft world? Would solely getting western support plus having Nintendo's catalog be enough? I mean, it should be, but I don't know.
Edit: Looks like you answered it.
lol at their acting... Oscar worthy right there
If they get the same level of support from 3rd parties as microsoft, absolutely.
I'm of the opinion that nintendo would have obliterated MS and Sony if the Wii had retained its initial $250 price point but could also run the majority of PS360 games. Such a price point for that kind of tech might have been a pipe dream back in 2006, but nonetheless, such a scenario would probably have ended with Wii overtaking the PS2 worldwide as the best selling console of all time. It wouldn't have mattered if Wii was still noticeably weaker, if it had been in HD and had games like assassin's creed, batman, borderlands, bioshock, etc., the system would have held people's attention for a lot longer.
Like I've said before, graphical power is only a means to an end, and that end is games games games! If the lack of power prohibits the support of software, we've got a problem.
Lupin the Third
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Man, I even warned Cookychan about tempting fate with mods. But he was all "meh whatever, I'll hit my 3 month mark in ten days anyway." That was on the 14th! Man, really! Sheesh. We miss you Cookychan!
And EloquentM is banned too? Why are this thread's regulars dropping like flies? Are we forbidden from posting elsewhere?
And EloquentM is banned too? Why are this thread's regulars dropping like flies? Are we forbidden from posting elsewhere?
Your comments have prompted me to open-up my treasure chest and take a peek at developers' names.
Let's see.. I honestly have never taken a long look at my collection when considering this.
{I'm looking}...
About 80% of the games I own are from the east. Rayman Raving Rabbids, Red Steel, Beyond Good & Evil, Prince of Persia, Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance, and Manhunt 2 are my western games from the last two gens.
Of these, Beyond Good & Evil was the only one that ever captured this gamer's heart.
Looking at my eastern-developed titles, many of them have grabbed me by the balls.
I also play and adore one other major western series regularly.. but will only ever play it on the PC: Elder Scrolls. To me, a console version would be cheesy. (well that, and I love playing with mods)
So it looks like an eastern-dominated console library wouldn't hurt me personally too much.
And if Japanese developers went all-in on the Nintendo machine, got their comfort and competence levels up with that hardware, had Nintendo supporting them along the way, etc.. I suspect that it would be a very beneficial relationship for both Nintendo and those developers. This would possibly mean increased sales in all regions: there are tons of gamers here who love eastern games, and being able to go to one console would mean big things for Nintendo.
It's been my not-often-stated belief that eastern developers would at some point end-up settling on one horse in this race. Nintendo's overtures of support and good will, their good relationships repaired over the past decade, the positive feelings bleeding-over from success in the portable space, Sony's comparative shift of focus from being Japan-centric to more non-centric or even a bit westernized, etc etc.. given all of this, I am not shocked
It certainly won't break my heart. Nintendo could have the east, Microsoft could have all of those PC developers that they brought over from PCs, and Sony would occupy a comfy niche along with being quite popular in Europe, with their "incredible" stable of first-party IPs helping them along. I think this kind of future looks very possible.
At this point it seems like an impossibility unless they throw money around left and right. Nintendo's name is too damaged in western developer circles.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
This sounds like me.
Except replace Bethesda with Bioware. I'm comfy playing their console oriented games on consoles though.
In a way, it's nice, as I get a ton of value for the money I spend on the one or two computer games I buy per generation. Tons of replayability, and I never truly suffer through the droughts that people complain about. I've always said: I'm gonna happily be playing Morrowind when I'm an old, old man.
Reflecting a bit, it kinda feels like old times: Nintendo console most of the time, with a big PC title on the side.
I kinda wonder what would happen as far as gaming media coverage is concerned if we really ever do see an east-versus-west scenario develop among the consoles.
Nah.. we're not forbidden from going outside. In fact, one of the mods told us yesterday that he liked this thread because it keeps the craziness mainly limited to this area. Having been a mod myself at another site in the distant past (back in college when we were using Netscape!), I can understand him completely.
Some tasteless jokes involving a sorrowful event in the news were made that had many of us shaking our heads. I'll miss those guys. Other than that, they were both really nice to hang out with.
The Wii U versions are going to look seriously gimped if they target X720/PS4 and downport.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
I really wanna see a 'Battlefield 3 Complete' on Wii U running at 720p and 60fps!
Thunder Monkey
Banned
It's going to be the equivalent of "doesn't matter, had sex"
This outlook is appealing to me for some unidentifiable reason.
It's going to be the equivalent of "doesn't matter, had sex"
Especially for folks who want to buy as few consoles as possible.
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