Rahxephon91
Banned
Concept art is cool. I'm hoping for a really stylish game here when it comes to visuals.
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Killer is Dead (Suda51/Grasshopper) announced for the PS3/360
- Thread starter SolidSnakex
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To be fair, I think that NMH trailer was the original goal but the Wii couldn't pull it off. It was more of a target render. Hopefully the style of the art will get through in this. It looks similar to NMH to me.
Perhaps so. Killer7 aslo went through noticable changes including story,puzzle-solving, and graphical differences. Most of it can be seen in the early trailers floating around on Youtube. Others are from old video game magazine scans.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
New concept art.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Wow this could turn out to be really cool.
R_thanatos
Member
oh some screens of this suda grasshopper game.
i might need a trailer...
i might need a trailer...
Viola of the Abyss
Member
cj_iwakura
Member
Very interesting.
astroturfing
Member
seems kinda intriguing.
i would like a fitting subtitle though, "Killer is Dead: Killing the Killers" or something.
i would like a fitting subtitle though, "Killer is Dead: Killing the Killers" or something.
honeymustardn
Member
Ask about The Silver Case, it's what the people want to know!!
Typographenia
Member
Looks fantastic! Dang it, I want to temper expectations and hype before we get a freaking trailer, and that isn't helping.
Lord Ghirahim
Member
Seriously, where is my (3)DS port?
Garcia Hotspur
Neo Member
Nope. No. No. Nuh-uh. NO. You got Lollipop Chainsaw.
This needs to be different in the vain of the Kill the Past series. Please, the juvenile "punk" mentality and humor has been entertaining the past few games, but it's run it's course. Bring back the intelligent writing and twisted plot from Killer7 and the Kill the Past games. The complex plots, I don't give a fuck I'm gonna tell this story, and twisted scenarios were way more "punk" than trying to appeal to the anime otaku and mainstream.
Sine Mora has had the best story of any GHM game since Killer7.
The 1st NMH is. It has a lighter tone but it keeps the complex writing and themes of the Killer 7 era. The second part of the game is very representative of that aspect.
I don't expect KiD to look like K7 of NMH anyway. Each of the 3 "Kill the past" GHM games I know (these + flower, sun & rain) is quite different from the others.
cj_iwakura
Member
What are the 'Kill The Past' series?
The Silver Case, Flower, Sun and Rain and Killer7 (contrary to what GOO said). They share some characters and story themes.
http://suda51.wikia.com/wiki/Kill_the_Past
abstract alien
Member
Concept art looks nice and all, but unless the game actually uses this style on screen(which I doubt), it pretty much means nothing to me. Unless they drop an art book.
Femmeworth
Banned
If you do, ask him why he is such a meanie and hasn't actually directed a game since No More Heroes. >:|
The concept art is cool, but I'm not getting hyped since he isn't directed.
Garcia Hotspur
Neo Member
NMH definitely isn't part of the Kill the Past games.
And I personally never encountered any complex themes during my multiple playthroughs. Nothing required me to turn thoughts over in my head or anything. Everything was pretty much at face value or at the very least explained so that no critical thinking was needed. What I did induce from NMH though, is that Suda is a whore. I was pretty sure that NMH (1) was intended to be satirical. It was a social commentary on "gamers", anime obsessed grown men and movie cliches. It was my interpretation that he was mocking the otaku/weaboo crowd. But... It turned out that those were just the kind of people who ended up buying it. (And were blatantly oblivious to it's satirical tone.) So then we end up with NMH2 which felt just like a fan service to those otaku.
Just want to reiterate that I'm saying this as a fan of Suda and I'll continue to buy GHM games day one, because I do enjoy the mindless stupidity of NMH/SoTD/etc. I just prefer the more mature tone and writing of K7/FSR/etc.
I'm a fan aswell ! NMH2 is still one of my favourite games, and I enjoyed SotD a lot. And, of course, I can't wait for LolliChainsaw.
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NMH isn't in the same league, and even if I highly respect it from a literary point of view, I like the second more.
NMH initiated the... whorish, "juvenile punk" style as you call it, but I can't agree when you say that nothing needed critical thinking. I'm thinking of
and maybe a few others I can't think of, but it certainly made think way beyond the gamer/otaku satire. It wasn't as thick as K7, but then again K7 was cut and doesn't give all the keys needed to understand it.
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NMH isn't in the same league, and even if I highly respect it from a literary point of view, I like the second more.
NMH initiated the... whorish, "juvenile punk" style as you call it, but I can't agree when you say that nothing needed critical thinking. I'm thinking of
what's happening with Sylvia and Henry after rank 5, Travis' parents, the story of Jeane, the ghost of Thunder Ryu
EatChildren
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I think NMH has plenty of deeper meaning regardless of its tonal shift. It's very deliberate.
For what followed, you really have to look at the studios development history. Grasshopper wasnt all Killer7. They had contributed to other games based on anime IPs, as well as less serious work. NMH was their most successful game to date, by far, and demand for a sequel was high. As for Shadows, the project started a Kamiyura (or something), based of Franz Kafka's work. No publisher would bank on it, and EA hated it. Thus we got Shadows instead.
And, as has been stated, Suda himself hasnt been involved in a project to the extent of his older work since NMH. Creative leads for basically all of their modern work are different people.
For what followed, you really have to look at the studios development history. Grasshopper wasnt all Killer7. They had contributed to other games based on anime IPs, as well as less serious work. NMH was their most successful game to date, by far, and demand for a sequel was high. As for Shadows, the project started a Kamiyura (or something), based of Franz Kafka's work. No publisher would bank on it, and EA hated it. Thus we got Shadows instead.
And, as has been stated, Suda himself hasnt been involved in a project to the extent of his older work since NMH. Creative leads for basically all of their modern work are different people.
Pachterballs
Banned
$20 bucks in 2-3 months. Inevidental bomba - which is a shame. Can't wait to see more though.
More Fun To Compute
Member
lol Franz Kafka sucks, nobody has heard of that stuff. Suda, we hired you to make some crazy off the wall horror game so make us some b movie grindhouse stuff. Troma are p cool as well not like that old german book crap. We got visceral working on the high culture shit anyway with a fresh new take on Dante, we haven't read that but it's just like DMC right?
Viola of the Abyss
Member
MidnightScott
Banned
Okay that concept art looks cool, I'm excited 
bobbychalkers
Member
Is the DS version of Flower Sun Rain any good?
I hate these posts.
MidnightScott
Banned
Yeah I'm not gonna lie but I think some games should be priced lower if they don't last that long. Although Lollipop Chainsaw I'm buying day one
I bet this game will be worth full price though.
Spieler Eins
Member
Looks like it might end up with a more serious tone, but No More Heroes swordplay.
Some of the locales also give me Killer7 vibe.
Sadly, I don't expect it to be remarkably stylized, but hopefully it'll at least be unique enough to set itself off from all the mainstream scifi games.
Some of the locales also give me Killer7 vibe.
Sadly, I don't expect it to be remarkably stylized, but hopefully it'll at least be unique enough to set itself off from all the mainstream scifi games.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Haven't enjoyed a grasshopper game since killer7. Samurai Champloo was fun, and I haven't played Shadows of the Damned yet, but a proper Suda game would be much appreciated
You mean a bad game with a wicked plot?
Suda can do that without directing the game it's just he's not wrtting games like Killer 7 anymore.
For the characters, setting and plot, it's a wonderful, wonderful experience.
But as a game, it's pure, cruel awfulness. And I liked Killer 7's gameplay.
I don't think it makes an awful lot of difference whether Suda's the director or not. The problem lies more in the fact that "the industry" (AKA publishers and consumers) are less interested in the more complex (or cerebral if you wish) storylines and unorthodox gameplay elements of GHM's earlier work. He simply backed off, wrote less deep storylines and let others design the gameplay. Even if he would direct again (which he is doing with Kaiho Shojo), it still wouldn't necessarily be anything like his earlier games. It's going to depend on the market. That's why I want him to try making smaller and more experimental games on distribution platforms that would be more receptive.
(AKA PC)
Yes it is.
It's a standard, easy adventure game. Some parts have you running back and forth an awful lot, but that's not exactly foreign to the genre.
LeadenStride
Member
The artworks have a more serious vibe than other recent Grasshopper games. Hopefully the story will be in that vein as well, although it's difficult to tell right now based on a couple of artworks.
cj_iwakura
Member
Hmm, I think the DS opening is different.
...Dammit. Now I'm reminded of how much I actually like FSR. And what a terrible downgrade GHM's latest output has been.
Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yGpIkNInNA
SO GOOD.
As stated in the video's description...
viewtifulsub
Member
The audio in the DS port of FSR is downsampled to hell. Which is a shame, because the soundtrack of the PS2 version was one of the highlights of the game.
Seriously. I've been waiting since 2007 since the announcement of the DS port at GDC.
Yeah I'm not gonna lie but I think some games should be priced lower if they don't last that long. Although Lollipop Chainsaw I'm buying day one
I bet this game will be worth full price though.
I agree, but my attitude is that if I want a creative designer like Suda to keep making games, that I should support him amidst his games being undermined (facepalm SotD, silly reviews say it resembles RE4, OF COURSE IT DOES, SHINJI MIKAMI WORKED ON BOTH GAMES), Hence why I made this facebook timeline cover to hype him myself, you guys are welcome to use it, I hope you do
I love and respect every other fellow Suda fan, you are the guys who want a different world, attitude, experience when you sit and wanna play a game, you don't want generic!!! You are awesome gamers.EDIT: I really sound like I'm plugging here >_< it's just that I don't wanna see this game selling 24,000 on first week like SOTD
Pretty much.