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[CadetMahoney]

They said in a npd press release they had sold 1.2 million worldwide since launch and people did the Math.

The 1.2 million thing was about as acurate as a certain site with a z on the end

Careful, Sony PR numbers are gospel round these parts.

 

[Haunted]

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/04/13/np...-000-in-march/

Binary Domain 20,000

mother of god

 

[eXistor]

Such a sadly expected shame about Binary Domain. I'm afraid it'll be known as a forgotten gem in a few years' time. At least people that did play it know what's up.

 

[EXGN]

Yikes, Binary Domain. Haven't purchased it yet, but will do eventually once it hits the $40 or below mark. I realize I'm part of the problem, but maybe it will have the Valkyria Chronicles effect once the cost comes down.

How? Its still getting outsold by the 360, the situation improved over time, but that has more to do with support not getting cut and the decline of Wii.

The 360 was selling roughly on par with the PS3 for most of the gen, would you say the 360 experienced a turn around aswell? How about the Wii? Is that also a turn around?

I mentioned it earlier, but when the PS3 launched the 360 had a 10 million unit lead, that went up to 12 million over the PS3's first year on market and its declined to 2-3 million as of late. I think clearing a 10 million unit gap and perhaps even surpassing the 360 by the end of the generation constitutes a significant turn around.

 

[SegaManAU]

Holy shit...20k for BD???

=( You bastards should be ashamed of yourselves...Sega needs the sales!

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Holy shit...20k for BD???

=( You bastards should be ashamed of yourselves...Sega needs the sales!

Unfortunately, I need the money.

 

[Averon]

I watched an entire Binary Domain play through on Youtube. It's interesting, and I may buy it down the line, but money is tight and there are other games worth my time.

 

[specialguy]

I mentioned it earlier, but when the PS3 launched the 360 had a 10 million unit lead, that went up to 12 million over the PS3's first year on market and its declined to 2-3 million as of late. I think clearing a 10 million unit gap and perhaps even surpassing the 360 by the end of the generation constitutes a significant turn around.

Going into the gen I think most people thought there was no possible way 360 could finish ahead of PS3 worldwide. Hell even the usa was in question.

Even I did, and I was more bullish on 360 than most. I figured there was no way 360 could overcome PS3's inevitable huge lead in Japan over the generation.

The Japanese market declined a lot though, which made it possible.

So I guess it depends on your view, people forget that back in 2005-2006 there was a lot of uncertainty and thought that PS3 might just dominate. Recall, there was also a point where it seemed like PS3 might be a lot more powerful than 360 too. I still remewmber Bettenhausen crowing about Ridge Racer (7?) Ps3 that he saw at some show's "tangible difference" over 360 version LOL. For some reason a moment that stood out to me.

I think in the end it ended up being 1080P, but actually had cut back graphics.

 

[mujun]

It released a year after it's competitor with at a high price with a lack of compelling software, poor online infrastructure, and just a myriad of other issues all impeded on its growth initially. Didn't help that it wasn't selling like the 360 and they were selling at a loss. Had it been any company but Sony the system would of been a failure.

Can you honestly compare the PS3 of 2006 to the PS3 of now and not say that's a turn around?

What's more impressive was how they built on the very small sales of their console from the gen before.

Right?

 

[EagleEyes]

What's more impressive was how they built on the very small sales of their console from the gen before.

Right?

Lol. Its funny how the perception of this generation has changed so much since the consoles launched. Everybody forgets just how dominant the Playstation brand was back then and how the 360 didn't exactly set the world on fire with sales when it launched either. Yet here we are in 2012 with the 360 still leading the PS3 in worldwide sales and it won't be surpassed this year or more than likely next year by the time the new consoles launch. The real and only success stories this gen for home consoles at least has been the wii and the 360.

 

[EXGN]

Going into the gen I think most people thought there was no possible way 360 could finish ahead of PS3 worldwide. Hell even the usa was in question.

Even I did, and I was more bullish on 360 than most. I figured there was no way 360 could overcome PS3's inevitable huge lead in Japan over the generation.

The Japanese market declined a lot though, which made it possible.

So I guess it depends on your view, people forget that back in 2005-2006 there was a lot of uncertainty and thought that PS3 might just dominate. Recall, there was also a point where it seemed like PS3 might be a lot more powerful than 360 too. I still remewmber Bettenhausen crowing about Ridge Racer (7?) Ps3 that he saw at some show's "tangible difference" over 360 version LOL. For some reason a moment that stood out to me.

I think in the end it ended up being 1080P, but actually had cut back graphics.

In that regard, you're right. I don't think anyone would call Sony's performance PS2 to PS3 a turn around. I was speaking more over the past couple of years when Sony went from "PS3 is doomed" to a well-performing competitor.

And LOL Mangod. Such a fanboy, good that he's actually working at Sony now at least haha.

 

[mujun]

In that regard, you're right. I don't think anyone would call Sony's performance PS2 to PS3 a turn around. I was speaking more over the past couple of years when Sony went from "PS3 is doomed" to a well-performing competitor.

And LOL Mangod. Such a fanboy, good that he's actually working at Sony now at least haha.

They've definitely done a great job over the last couple of years turning it around from when they were on their high horse (launch price anyone). Playing to their strengths with great first party stuff and providing free online among other things.

 

[shinra-bansho]

What's more impressive was how they built on the very small sales of their console from the gen before.

Right?

That ignores the point being made and doesn't change that there's been a stark turnaround for the system within the timeframe of the generation; the PS3 launch period was a clusterfuck debacle of epic proportions.

 

[CadetMahoney]

The PS3 to 360 line charts are somewhat similar when launch aligned (in terms of growth for those early years). I don't recall seeing any "turn around" (NPD).

The real and only success stories this gen for home consoles at least has been the wii and the 360.

If you compare previous gen, then yea. ppl tend to ignore this context though.

 

[SuperDowns]

So Resident Evil: Revelaitons, the good one, sells poorly.

Then Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City, the shit one, sells great.

...

...

I fucking hate American gamer's aversion to handhelds. >_>;

Aversion to handhelds? Wow you are ignorant and misinformed, it is hard to even comment on this.

 

[Barkley's Justice]

When the curtain drops on Binary Domain, you’re left with the sense that, while accomplished, this game is largely a rote exercise in genre. It adequately, but not outstandingly, mimics the nuts and bolts of the western cover shooter, while bringing little new of worth to the table. In an ironic – or perhaps knowing – parallel to its subject matter, Binary Domain marks the moment that a Japanese team has managed to mechanically clone its competition. But, as with any clone, it’s ended up feeling a little soulless.

edge review

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Aversion to handhelds? Wow you are ignorant and misinformed, it is hard to even comment on this.

Americans don't hate handhelds, the GBA, PSP, and DS were all successful here (obviously a short while for PSP). The handheld audience here just skews younger and has a greater % of women than the console audience. And why would someone buy a handheld for a game series they can already play at home?

 

[Road]

I mentioned it earlier, but when the PS3 launched the 360 had a 10 million unit lead, that went up to 12 million over the PS3's first year on market and its declined to 2-3 million as of late. I think clearing a 10 million unit gap and perhaps even surpassing the 360 by the end of the generation constitutes a significant turn around.

Write it down: The 360 worldwide lead was 8.7m by the end of 2006 and it has declined to 3.8m by the end of 2011. And 8.7m is the highest it has ever been, not 10m or 12m; the lowest is 2.1m.

 

[Ash Sparrow]

While i bought a PS3 contributing to its number, its very hard not to remember all of the talk before it launched and not think about how people said it would sink the 360 like the Titanic once it was out. And then every year it was going to eclipse the 360. Here we are all these years later and 360 is still ahead. That said, considering what Sony was working with the fact that they are in the 60 million range with PS3 impresses me.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Lol. Its funny how the perception of this generation has changed so much since the consoles launched. Everybody forgets just how dominant the Playstation brand was back then and how the 360 didn't exactly set the world on fire with sales when it launched either. Yet here we are in 2012 with the 360 still leading the PS3 in worldwide sales and it won't be surpassed this year or more than likely next year by the time the new consoles launch. The real and only success stories this gen for home consoles at least has been the wii and the 360.

Looking at market share from last gen it goes like this:

GBA > DS
XBOX > 360
GameCube > Wii
PS2 < PS3

In fact, I can't think of many systems in gamings history that lost as much market share from one gen to another.

While i bought a PS3 contributing to its number, its very hard not to remember all of the talk before it launched and not think about how people said it would sink the 360 like the Titanic once it was out. And then every year it was going to eclipse the 360. Here we are all these years later and 360 is still ahead. That said, considering what Sony was working with the fact that they are in the 60 million range with PS3 impresses me.

Remember, the 360 is just a Dreamcast 2.0

http://www.1up.com/features/dreamcast-20?pager.offset=1

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

That said, considering what Sony was working with the fact that they are in the 60 million range with PS3 impresses me.

What they were working with? You mean near universal industry support before day one and a development environment that basically ensured multiplatform development?

I mean, Sony has had some level of accomplishment here, but let's no forget all the advantages PS3 had from the outset. Even though PS3 was bungled dramatically out the gates the platform was still given the sort of support and commitment that previous 3rd placers (TG16, Saturn, Gamecube, etc) only could have dreamed of, despite performing comparably to some of them upfront. In that regard Sony was never in the position that companies like Sega, NEC, Nintendo or Microsoft found themselves in.

This might change going into PS4 though. You saw a very similar industry wide "benefit of the doubt" with PSP that seems gone for Vita.

 

[Gravijah]

Looking at market share from last gen it goes like this:

GBA > DS
XBOX > 360
GameCube > Wii
PS2 < PS3

you got your greater thans and less thans mixed up!

 

[Esura]

What's more impressive was how they built on the very small sales of their console from the gen before.

Right?

I was only talking about this gen.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

I was only talking about this gen.

You can't really just limit it to this gen though. Part of the reason Sony was able to pull off the PS3 turn around was from the confidence and goodwill that PS2 effected in the brand, and the support and commitment that brought. Without PS3 being the successor to the overwhelming market leader (and the sort of inherent advantages that brought), it's questionable if the system would have been able to recover the way it has.

 

[saichi]

3DS was almost dead til they did the price drop

ps3 turned around once they cut down the console to slim and dropped the price

If 3DS was almost dead, VITA is already dead then since VITA is doing much worse than 3DS at the same point.

If I can spend 5 billion to turn a console fortune around, I could probably succeed too. Does Sony have a couple billion to spend now to turn VITA around?

 

[RukusProvider]

Yikes, Binary Domain. Haven't purchased it yet, but will do eventually once it hits the $40 or below mark. I realize I'm part of the problem, but maybe it will have the Valkyria Chronicles effect once the cost comes down.



I mentioned it earlier, but when the PS3 launched the 360 had a 10 million unit lead, that went up to 12 million over the PS3's first year on market and its declined to 2-3 million as of late. I think clearing a 10 million unit gap and perhaps even surpassing the 360 by the end of the generation constitutes a significant turn around.

Write it down: The 360 worldwide lead was 8.7m by the end of 2006 and it has declined to 3.8m by the end of 2011. And 8.7m is the highest it has ever been, not 10m or 12m; the lowest is 2.1m.

I wish this was stickied. Every time the numbers are skewed to make believe how much of a mountain the mighty PS3 overcame.

 

[Glix]

Holy shit...20k for BD???

=( You bastards should be ashamed of yourselves...Sega needs the sales!

As much as I want to help...

This is a game that is going to be 20-30 bucks soon. We all know that. So we all wait, it sucks, but this is what is happening with the industry right now...

 

[SmokedMeat]

Such a sadly expected shame about Binary Domain. I'm afraid it'll be known as a forgotten gem in a few years' time. At least people that did play it know what's up.

I didn't see what was so great about Binary Domain. I couldn't even make it past the demo without getting bored.

 

[Deadbeat]

I wish this was stickied. Every time the numbers are skewed to make believe how much of a mountain the mighty PS3 overcame.

I think the even more ridiculous thing is people acting like its still an acceptable outcome. Sony went from first place with tens of millions of consoles ahead of everyone else to racing for second and losing billions in the process. There is no rationalization possible in the outcome of this generation for sony. They fucked up. Microsoft (even with the rrod) gained a truckload of marketshare.

 

[Pureauthor]

One can say that Sony did a good job of working against the initial mess that was the PS3 circa launch and managed to turn it into a viable system on the market while at the same time acknowledging that the PS3 as a whole is a still the biggest financial disaster in the history of videogames.

 

[jman2050]

I think the even more ridiculous thing is people acting like its still an acceptable outcome. Sony went from first place with tens of millions of consoles ahead of everyone else to racing for second and losing billions in the process. There is no rationalization possible in the outcome of this generation for sony. They fucked up. Microsoft (even with the rrod) gained a truckload of marketshare.

The supposed rationalization is "oh they're making money NOW so it's okay" as if the game business is making up for the incredible losses Sony is suffering elsewhere and as if they aren't going to be forced to "reset" their business once again once the PS4 comes around thus making the whole affair moot.

 

[likedamaster]

Sadly, no Vita numbers yet.

I don't know if this helps but I might be getting my niece a PSV... maybe, if she decides she actually wants one. She never seems to take her Wii or PSP seriously though, always goes for the 360 controller instead.

 

[Auto_aim1]

I didn't see what was so great about Binary Domain. I couldn't even make it past the demo without getting bored.

The demo, unfortunately, was a poor representation of the final game. I mean, you're just given two random levels from different chapters and they basically do nothing to impress the player, so it seems like a generic third-person shooter. Even I got bored of the demo but finished the full game in three sittings.

I really think it's Sega's fault. Look at the box art, who is going to take the game seriously after seeing that? 20,000 sales for a game that was in development for two years is a disaster. The sad thing is, the game absolutely didn't deserve that.

 

[A Human Becoming]

you got your greater thans and less thans mixed up!

Except the GBA did have a larger market share than the DS seeing it had essentially no serious competition.

 

[Owzers]

"It's a shame the idiotic A.I. and hit-and-miss recognition spoil it, turning this into a merely "solid" shooter. [May 2012, p.79]"

Playstation Official Magazine review of Binary Domain

The ally a.i. is brain dead. That's not to say i want it to outright tank just because it wasn't very good.

 

[GrandHarrier]

The demo, unfortunately, was a poor representation of the final game. I mean, you're just given two random levels from different chapters and they basically do nothing to impress the player, so it seems like a generic third-person shooter. Even I got bored of the demo but finished the full game in three sittings.

I really think it's Sega's fault. Look at the box art, who is going to take the game seriously after seeing that? 20,000 sales for a game that was in development for two years is a disaster. The sad thing is, the game absolutely didn't deserve that.

That still doesn't answer what was so great about it. I'm curious too. Everything I saw looked pretty bland and boring. I'm not trying to shit on it, I just had no incentive to go and buy it, I'd love to hear what people who did enjoy it liked about it.

 

[RukusProvider]

I think the even more ridiculous thing is people acting like its still an acceptable outcome. Sony went from first place with tens of millions of consoles ahead of everyone else to racing for second and losing billions in the process. There is no rationalization possible in the outcome of this generation for sony. They fucked up. Microsoft (even with the rrod) gained a truckload of marketshare.

Predicting outright failure of the ps3 was an exaggeration to then be "amazed" by how well it's now doing. It's something you see fans doing often. Completely lowball expectations and then run around screaming how well above expectations the product is going.

The price drops were always going to happen and the fanbase/goodwill Sony had built up wasn't going to erode that quickly.

 

[CadetMahoney]

I think the even more ridiculous thing is people acting like its still an acceptable outcome. Sony went from first place with tens of millions of consoles ahead of everyone else to racing for second and losing billions in the process. There is no rationalization possible in the outcome of this generation for sony. They fucked up.

Plus there is no "turn around" if you just even look at sales this gen.

The PS3 growth is fairly steady with no massive sudden peak in sales, thus no "turn around". Seems all predictable if you ask me, unless I'm missing something (except deliberate lowballing).

 

[SmokedMeat]

The demo, unfortunately, was a poor representation of the final game. I mean, you're just given two random levels from different chapters and they basically do nothing to impress the player, so it seems like a generic third-person shooter. Even I got bored of the demo but finished the full game in three sittings.

I really think it's Sega's fault. Look at the box art, who is going to take the game seriously after seeing that? 20,000 sales for a game that was in development for two years is a disaster. The sad thing is, the game absolutely didn't deserve that.

Well, regardless of how much the demo came across as a generic shooter (and boy did it ever), I still intend on checking it out. But not until the price drops a bit.

 

[jman2050]

Plus there is no "turn around" if you just even look at sales this gen.

The PS3 growth is fairly steady with no massive sudden peak in sales, thus no "turn around". Seems all predictable if you ask me, unless I'm missing something (except deliberate lowballing).

Its first NPD year was legitimately awful last I checked, so there's that.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Its first NPD year was legitimately awful last I checked, so there's that.

I'll never forget the epic PS3 vs GBA battles. <3

 

[GrandHarrier]

Predicting outright failure of the ps3 was an exaggeration to then be "amazed" by how well it's now doing. It's something you see fans doing often. Completely lowball expectations and then run around screaming how well above expectations the product is going.

The price drops were always going to happen and the fanbase/goodwill Sony had built up wasn't going to erode that quickly.

But that doesn't change the fact that Sony went from 1st place by 10s of millions to last place in the span of a single generation. The inroads that Microsoft made were substantial and impressive.

 

[RukusProvider]

But that doesn't change the fact that Sony went from 1st place by 10s of millions to last place in the span of a single generation. The inroads that Microsoft made were substantial and impressive.

No I agree with MS making grounds.

I'm talking more about how certain people are "overly impressed by the PS3 comeback."

MS has establisehd a strong footprint in NA, made some inroads in Europe and got Japanese developer support. At the beginning of this generation, MS really tried to focus on Japan due to the Japanese influence in previous generations. However, this gen JP devs have been vastly overshadowed by western development and the even the successful JP powerhouses are really focusing on games catering to western audiences.

All in all, going into next gen, MS has secured support. They don't need to fight that battle again. They will focus on maintaining their dominance in NA and capturing more of the EU crowd. Putting more focus in japan is likely a lost cause. That energy and budget should be focused on mainland Europe.

I also expect the 360 to start really getting pushed into developing nations as the successor is rolled out. That would go a long way to help out the financial situation especially if the console is subsidized for a period.

 

[Tutomos]

First place and last place that's for forum talk. I understand why people treat this like sports, but bottom line is you have to make money every year. Obviously You can't lose money, but you also can't make huge money in the first two years, then have a huge drop after that. Microsoft is doing good but they have no impact in the mobile space. As far as next gen goes, I'm not penciling anyone in as the potential winner, it's all too unpredictable.

 

[Karma]

First place and last place that's for forum talk. I understand why people treat this like sports, but bottom line is you have to make money every year. Obviously You can't lose money, but you also can't make huge money in the first two years, then have a huge drop after that. Microsoft is doing good but they have no impact in the mobile space. As far as next gen goes, I'm not penciling anyone in as the potential winner, it's all too unpredictable.

They are selling more Windows phones than Sony is selling Vitas. Add to that the onslaught of Windows 8 tablets about to hit.

 

[H_Prestige]

They are selling more Windows phones than Sony is selling Vitas. Add to that the onslaught of Windows 8 tablets about to hit.

LMAO nobody gives a shit about WP7. It doesn't matter if more phones are selling than some other product nobody gives a shit about. When it comes to phones, it's all about iphone and android.

 

[Tutomos]

They are selling more Windows phones than Sony is selling Vitas. Add to that the onslaught of Windows 8 tablets about to hit.

I don't think Microsoft is satisfied with just beating Vita. Like I said, it's unpredictable because you have to take everything into account, it's very likely not going to be just the same 3 players next gen.

 

[Averon]

Outselling the Vita isn't much of an accomplishment.

 

[Throwaway123456789]

Apologies if it's already been discussed, but is there any chance we'll get the Vita numbers at all?

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

They are selling more Windows phones than Sony is selling Vitas. Add to that the onslaught of Windows 8 tablets about to hit.

Do we actually have numbers for WP phones?