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yet they are wasted on another iteration of halo
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ViewtifulJC
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Ha, you just know that's gonna be the reaction to whatever Retro is doing.
"ANOTHER METROID!?"
"ANOTHER METROID!?"
Hero of Legend
Member
LOL!!! XD
pretty much what i was thinking when i read pyromaniac's response, lol
AceBandage
Banned
To be fair, there have already been almost as many Halo games as Metroid games, and yet Metroid started over a decade before Halo.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
That what happens when your series doesn't sell very well and goes into hibernation for extended periods of time
Well, nobody else said much about StarTropics, so I might as well say something that likely doesn't make sense. Here are a few reasons it might work for diversity or for fans that I thought of.
1. It could be similar to the Kid Icarus revival, in that the developer can do whatever they want because almost no one remembers it. Heck, I remember some people thinking KI would be like Metroid Prime before it was shown, and it obviously ended differently. There's no reason StarTropics would have to just be a different version of Zelda again. I'm not sure what genre they could pick, but I wouldn't have guessed on-rails shooter/3rd person action game for KI either.
2. If they did want to keep it in the same genre, there are plenty of people basically asking for it. I see plenty of people asking for Zelda to change in crazy, opposite ways, and making a different series satisfy some of these people might be a good idea. Steampunk StarTropics, etc. (mostly joking here).
The only real problem I see with it is the sales potential, which I admit is low. Again, I would have though KI would sell poorly. Kid Icarus had the advantage of Smash Bros. style promotion, but Mike Jones could always be in the next Smash Bros., I guess. I'm somewhat unconvinced that it would be worthwhile in that aspect, though.
Cygnus X-1
Member
Well, let put it this way: out of 4 games they developed and brought to the market...4 of them are universally praised. I think their reputation is well earned. Thee aren't many teams around with such an unscattered background.
Spiffy_1st
Member
What about if it's locked in cockpit view?
That what happens when your series doesn't sell very well and goes into hibernation for extended periods of time
Also when it doesn't even get a 25 year anniversary
((nintendors
Member
com'n guys I know benji
lol
ViewtifulJC
Banned
It's much easier for developers to get put on a pedestal then the big publishers. Guys like Capcom, Namco, EA, Activision, etc have so many different umbrellas that it's hard not find some holes the rain seeps through.
But guys like Retro or Platinum Games? All they do is make 1 game every other year, and is usually a really good one. They aren't the one's in charge of putting DLC or pre-order bonuses in the games, they aren't shitting on your favorite games of yesteryear, they never have to worry about how their consoles are being perceived, or bad marketing, or shitty E3 conferences, or the other one hundred things GAF makes fun of Sony and Nintendo about.
All they do is make games. They have less elements to worry about, and its easier for them to be praised. They only thing they have to worry about is when their product isn't up to their usual standards(See Pixar after Cars 2).
But guys like Retro or Platinum Games? All they do is make 1 game every other year, and is usually a really good one. They aren't the one's in charge of putting DLC or pre-order bonuses in the games, they aren't shitting on your favorite games of yesteryear, they never have to worry about how their consoles are being perceived, or bad marketing, or shitty E3 conferences, or the other one hundred things GAF makes fun of Sony and Nintendo about.
All they do is make games. They have less elements to worry about, and its easier for them to be praised. They only thing they have to worry about is when their product isn't up to their usual standards(See Pixar after Cars 2).
shadyspace
Banned
It'd be nice if Nintendo had another Western studio for us all to obsess over.
Cygnus X-1
Member
Regarding Starfox...I think it's an unlikely scenario. The reason is that I cannot imagine a way the Starfox franchise can go mainstream and which modifications would be necessary. The success of the franchise itself was very limited to the late SNES/early N64 period - mostly due to technical reasons and never recovered after that, unsurprisingly. The game that sold once again pretty well in most "recent times" was Starfox Adventures, but it was not really a classic Starfox game. It was - as the name states - an adventure game with the same foot print of the Zelda franchise and a pretty bad one.
The problem of the franchise is that technical greatness is necessary - otherwise a Starfox Assault scenario is going to happen -, but it is not enough to make the game sell to the mass market. Some serious innovating factors are needed. From one point of view, Pilotwings also has the same problems. Who gives a damn about Starfox and Pilotwings if not a small part of the core market and nostalgic gamers?
The problem of the franchise is that technical greatness is necessary - otherwise a Starfox Assault scenario is going to happen -, but it is not enough to make the game sell to the mass market. Some serious innovating factors are needed. From one point of view, Pilotwings also has the same problems. Who gives a damn about Starfox and Pilotwings if not a small part of the core market and nostalgic gamers?
I like your idea of putting Mike into Smash as a way of increasing awareness of the series' existence. That might work, with StarTropics 3 (or whatever name is chosen) being a late-generation release.
Give Mike Jones the Kid Icarus treatment with a big, dramatic reveal at E3, and everyone would know who he is. That'd be incredibly smart.. hot damn.
AceBandage
Banned
They do.
NST
Just... they haven't done a whole lot.
Also, we could talk about second/third parties that do a lot of work for them.
Monster and Next Level.
You also have Nintendo NST in america. Nothing in Europe though.
I think the only way Star Fox can sell good again is if Fox is out of his arwing in a third person action/adventure.
As you've said, Star Fox Adventures was the last time the series sold well. It reached close to 2 million worldwide.
What about starfox on 3ds?
It didn't sell that well.
I blame lack of online and it being a super short game for $40.
Star Fox Adventures tripled or quadrupled it in worldwide sales.
Edit: Some of the numbers are unreliable. Taking them out.
I think the concept of starfox might be unappealing to people, a fox flying in space, a big monkey head as a boss etc.
nintendors
Member
Retro ,NST, who else ??
so taking a new approach to the series might earn some interest ?? thats EXACTLY what I want from StarFox.
hmmm I never though of that :/ come to think of it Pit was MIA until SSBB reveal !! and then Project Sora came into realization ,,,,,,,would luv such revival for a dead nintendo IP
Maybe if Nintendo didn't fuck up the franchise then maybe Star Fox wouldn't be selling like shit.
Also SF643D is just a remake. More than half of a million isn't really that bad given the status of the franchise. I bet a PROPER sequel to SF64 on the 3DS would be a million seller. Just as long as the content justifies a 40 dollar purchase.
Also SF643D is just a remake. More than half of a million isn't really that bad given the status of the franchise. I bet a PROPER sequel to SF64 on the 3DS would be a million seller. Just as long as the content justifies a 40 dollar purchase.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
i still feel Nintendo mustn't have given away rare.. Rare did fantastic job during n64 time. if they were around until now, we could have many other new titles. May be at this time we will be also speculating about rare titles besides retro for wii u
A lot of key Rare talent left. It was a sinking ship and Nintendo knew it.
I really don't think it's that to be honest. I think the price was kind of dumb on Nintendo's part. It was an enhanced port of an N64 game they were trying to sell for $40. I didn't buy it because of that. Also the lack of online multiplayer kinda makes me not want the game since I already own it on Wii VC. I'm sure a lot of others have the same sentiments.
Back then when I first heard of Nintendo selling Rare, I was angry Nintendo would do such a thing. Now I know it was for the best because of all the talent leaving. Rare isn't the same it once was.
AceBandage
Banned
i still feel Nintendo mustn't have given away rare.. Rare did fantastic job during n64 time. if they were around until now, we could have many other new titles. May be at this time we will be also speculating about rare titles besides retro for wii u
Rare wasn't Rare when they left.
To this day the biggest troll in the industry was Nintendo getting Microsoft to actually pay for Rare.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
At least we got Free Radical out of it and they made better titles then any of the ones on the N64.
And then Haze happened :/
then any on the n64? you mean free radical made better games then any that rare developed on the n64? no way. rare n64 games were the shit.
Cygnus X-1
Member
Holly e benji :lol
That's not bad really. That's probably more than the last 2 Star Fox games sold.
I know mods never ever come around this place, (eat children doesn't count), but it's not ever in your best interest to quote those numbers, because
a) they're bullshit
b) they'll get you banned
We could always go back to talking about SK doing Eternal Darkness 2...
Or High Voltage Software has been quiet for some time. I imagine making HD The Conduit 3 for Wii U launch.
shadyspace
Banned
I meant another developer worth talking about.
Would everyone be ok with NST or Monster creating a Star Fox game as opposed to Retro?
Well. I don't think there's much to talk about regarding ED2. It's either 100% coming to the Wii U and will be shown at E3 or Dyack thinks Too Human 2 is a game everyone wants.
How were the first two Conduit games? They looked boring to me so I didn't buy either.
Well. I don't think there's much to talk about regarding ED2. It's either 100% coming to the Wii U and will be shown at E3 or Dyack thinks Too Human 2 is a game everyone wants.
How were the first two Conduit games? They looked boring to me so I didn't buy either.
I edited out the numbers. Thanks for the heads up.
But I'm still pretty sure Star Fox Adventures outsold Star Fox 64 3D by a very wide margin.
It was during a time when Star Fox's reputation wasn't tarnished.
We'll see, it seems like they might be trying to turn them around.
ColdBlooder
Banned
Starfox 64 3D HAD an online mode, it even captured your face with the camera and streamed it to other players.
Starfox is a game wich you have to play several times to get to every stage and to get every medal.
Rare is dead. Watch this if you are interested in the history of the company, pretty good video.
No it didn't.
That was a local player mode with the face capturing where everyone had to be within the range of you.
http://www.destructoid.com/no-online-in-star-fox-64-3d-because-of-time-and-money-211988.phtml
I think you're confused because there was no online mode in Starfox 3DS.
well thats interesting. Rare good staff created free radical design and then it was bought over by crytek and now its crytek uk.. and one of the staff from crytek uk goes to nintendo
comedy bomb
Banned
Has GAF debunked or already talked to death about the Blockbuster Wii U titles that supposedly are in their system?
I'm too lazy to look.
I'm too lazy to look.
Don't pretend that SFAdventures sold well. It saw was a massive drop off from the sales of the original SF64; a significantly greater drop off than any other two games in the series. While, I too, would like to see them try a new SFAdventures (albeit nothing like the first)... let's not pretend that there is anything special about the formula.
Just looked at that list now. Seems like it could be real.
Edit: A lot of it is games we already know about aside from one or two titles never announced. The list could have just bee put together by anyone.
shadyspace
Banned
Thatgamecompany. Supergiant. The Behemoth.
You posted the same pic twice btw.
"WiiU- Zombie" What could it be?! lol
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Ah you fixed it already.
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