There is the other way to look at it. The hardware is so powerful that developers upscale the graphics fidelity which then requires more RAM.
When multiple devs (presumably some of them even 1st party) ask for more RAM, you know they aren't asking because they are sloppy.
& there is more threads like this & I was saying that people was crazy to think that we couldn't get more than 2GB.
Do you guys think it's more likely Microsoft will have BC more then Ps3. I personally hope both companies provide BC in some form or another. From sounds of things Microsoft could very well have full BC, while Ps4 maybe limited to certain titles or none at all.
8gb or bust.
There's still a chance we won't see more than 2Gb of GDDR5 IMO.
With a split pool, you can have more overall memory if you use a combo of GDDR5 and DDR3 instead of just using GDDR5.
I'm not holding my breath on either providing BC at this point.
in a Console 4GB of GDDR5 >> 8GB of DDR3 as far as games go.
yeah I know & going with a split pool with slower ram goes against what Sony is going for because they want the CPU & GPGPU to work together at it's highest rate & with the slow ram they would have to work together at a slower rate. which kinda kill the point of having the GPGPU & CPU on the same chip.
This isn't necessarily true.
Edit:
We really don't know what MS and Sony want to do. Nothing more than rumors and speculation has surfaced so far.
really? so why are they wasting space & money on putting small amounts of GDDR3/4/5 on GPUs when they can just let the GPU share the 8 & 16GBs of DDR3 that people have on their PCs or put large amounts of DD3 on the GPUs?
actually we do know what they want to do from the road maps & a lot of interviews ,rumors & speculations we just don't know what they are going to do.
I would say that's a good early summary.
Has this really been confirmed? From B3D:
According to lherre, the are some Xbox dev kits that already have a 7000 series Radeon. And the final hardware could end up with a 8000 series Radeon. The russian "insider" seem to suggest the latest dev kits have TWO Radeon 8000. If the 360 dev kits are any indication, as they also had teo GPUs, this could mean the Xbox 3 GPU is omething hybrid more advanced than the GPUs which are currently available.
We don't know what level 7000 there is, it can be the same or even faster than the PS4 7000 series GPU. We just don't know. Also, if this "russian insider" rumour is true, that would make the 720 quite a lot beefier than PS4.
I'd say it's way too early to guess which console will have the better GPU.
Hell yeah this is what I want to hear I want a powerful little beast
Quick question 8000 series is Code name SeaIslands what does 8000 Introduce that 7000 series does not have?
Has this really been confirmed? From B3D:
According to lherre, the are some Xbox dev kits that already have a 7000 series Radeon. And the final hardware could end up with a 8000 series Radeon. The russian "insider" seem to suggest the latest dev kits have TWO Radeon 8000. If the 360 dev kits are any indication, as they also had teo GPUs, this could mean the Xbox 3 GPU is omething hybrid more advanced than the GPUs which are currently available.
We don't know what level 7000 there is, it can be the same or even faster than the PS4 7000 series GPU. We just don't know. Also, if this "russian insider" rumour is true, that would make the 720 quite a lot beefier than PS4.
I'd say it's way too early to guess which console will have the better GPU.
6000 series to 7000 series 1.4 times as efficientHell yeah this is what I want to hear I want a powerful little beast
Quick question 8000 series is Code name SeaIslands what does 8000 Introduce that 7000 series does not have?
Actually, from looking at the picture, it's a AMD GPU 3 DDR interfaces (192 bit wide) (the other picture has the memory interfaces going to a GPU so in that case GDDR, I can't recognize the difference) with 4 X86 processors and a 22nm Southbridge/I/O support at the bottom right. The 22nm support chip on bottom right makes it a 2013 design APU but probably not a Xbox720 SOC (all on one die and not SOC or "building block" design).http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com/96292.html
I called BS on this for the simple reason he claimed that this was the real picture of the chip but it's the same picture of a chip that was used in the fake slide before.
The russian insider also said that Watchdogs was running on the Wii-U.
People should read his past posts.
So Xbox 720 >>>>>>>>>> PS4 ? RUMOURED ?
Don't believe the Russian's rumor, but I wonder if there would be meltdowns if the xbox turned out more powerful than the ps4.
Turned? Al kidding a side, that's what I expect. I wrote it a couple of months ago, so I am not flip flopping. Simply MS can take a loss, Sony can't. They can push it higher. They just want that living room. If Sony ends up with more powerful system I am going to be shocked.
I was just going through that russian dude's blog (livejournal) and my god that guy's a hardcore Xbox fanbaby. Lol'd@PS hate.
Think he is selling dreams about to pop. Guess we better wait for more credible outlets, even for rumours.
Has this really been confirmed? From B3D:
According to lherre, the are some Xbox dev kits that already have a 7000 series Radeon. And the final hardware could end up with a 8000 series Radeon. The russian "insider" seem to suggest the latest dev kits have TWO Radeon 8000. If the 360 dev kits are any indication, as they also had teo GPUs, this could mean the Xbox 3 GPU is omething hybrid more advanced than the GPUs which are currently available.
We don't know what level 7000 there is, it can be the same or even faster than the PS4 7000 series GPU. We just don't know. Also, if this "russian insider" rumour is true, that would make the 720 quite a lot beefier than PS4.
I'd say it's way too early to guess which console will have the better GPU.
FF13 demo is a CGI real time render in order to make people beleive that Japan 3d tech is better than UE4 and make more people wait for PS4.
Can someone point me to this log I'm hearing about?
So Xbox 720 >>>>>>>>>> PS4 ? CONFIRMED?
Whenever this is brought up, I like to link this article/interview with Masaaki Tsuruta:For some reason I wouldn't be surprised if the PS4 ended up more powerful. =p
Turned? Al kidding a side, that's what I expect. I wrote it a couple of months ago, so I am not flip flopping. Simply MS can take a loss, Sony can't. They can push it higher. They just want that living room. If Sony ends up with more powerful system I am going to be shocked.
Rösti;39252190 said:Whenever this is brought up, I like to link this article/interview with Masaaki Tsuruta:
http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2011/dec/sony-gaming.cfm
http://eandt.theiet.org/magazine/2011/12/maasaki-tsu-interview.cfm
Now, it doesn't have to be about Orbis but about its successor, but it goes hand in hand with recent comments about Sony not wanting to show their next generation system before a substantial leap can be demonstrated.
As for those rumors about Sea Islands chips in Durango, that's some juicy stuff. Rumored to be focused much on GPGPU acceleration, HSA and Faraday efficiency, right? Was something more about that mentioned, if it was low-end or high-end in the SDKs?
This is not directed at you Globox_82 but there is allot of bullshit flying. We can't even confirm if Xbox 3 is X86 or PPC but we now KNOW how many and what power of the individual GPU and CPU parts < sarcasm>. In order of confidence:I guess it's nexbox for me, sorry Sony. Thank you The Russian The Insider....
Yes, and both will have a Kinect style motion/gesture detection and both will have speech recognition. Both gesture and Speech benefit from a larger database to make comparisons so a more accurate and larger vocabulary will require more RAM, same for Motion detection. This might be the biggest difference if there is more ram in one system.@Jeff
Then the difference could be, who has more ram, no?
Hmmm...
The more I think about it, the more Im inclined to believe that the way its going to play out is something like:
1) Gamers expect announcement of the nextbox at E3. Theyre pretty disappointed at the ensuing silence.
2) Microsoft take note and realise that, even if their new console will technically outclass the Wii U, they cant afford to give Nintendo too much of a head-start.
3) They leak a horribly outdated document confirming that they are working on a new machine and that it will usher in a new era of gaming, in the hope that many gamers will put off buying a Wii U and wait for their new console.
4) Within months of the Wii U hitting the shelves, the nextbox will be formally revealed, minus the more aspirational features referred to in the leaked document.
5) Gamers wail and gnash their teeth (in a Biblical display of histrionics) because this wasnt what they were waiting for. Microsoft act innocent and say that they cant understand the fuss because the missing features may have been ideas that were discussed internally, but they were never formally announced to the public.
6) Hopefully, from a Microsoft point of view, gamers experience catharsis by ranting on the forums (they do that, you know) and then, in a moment of rare tranquility, figure that the new Microsoft console is still a little more cutting edge than Nintendos...
...and thats where the money gets spent in the Holiday season of 2014.
I say cut costs on the processor, and beef up the GPU and ram.
But you're not MS. They have a set or priorities that they want to complete with this newest box, and it amounts to more than being a gaming console.
So Xbox 720 >>>>>>>>>> PS4 ? CONFIRMED?
2) Microsoft take note and realise that, even if their new console will technically outclass the Wii U, they cant afford to give Nintendo too much of a head-start.