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[Riggs]

Gaffers child hood house burned down other day from the fires in CO. Fellow gaffer said fuck chiggs. Made me want to rage, no one did shit about it. I'd name him but whatever. He didn't have anything against the guy, was just a horrible attempt at trolling. But still was so tacky and shitty.

Was not on gaf, but in a place many gaffers hang out including mods. But whatever not naming anything, just shitty that no one said anything. The guys god damn house burnt down, a sense of community and sympathy sometimes is a good thing ...

 

[hypernima]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=34510358#post34510358

Spoiler

but the lulz were had

Wow. Just...wow the gifs in that thread...

 

[Leucrota]

This thread reminds me Jim Norton's new special "Please Be Offended" comes out in a couple of days on Epix.

http://www.epixhd.com/jim-norton-please-be-offended/

GAF, being so thin skinned, might as well stay away.

 

[Riggs]

Wow. Just...wow the gifs in that thread...

holy fuck!!! I will have to save all those gifs later!

 

[Lionheart1337]

Let's not forget SCOULaris

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Let's not forget SCOULaris

HEY GAF HERE'S ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT POOP!

 

[Sutton Dagger]

Though I'm not homosexual, some of the comments directed at this group of people are really offensive. I remember a GAFer (who is still around) who posted that homosexual sex and bestiality are both as disgusting as eachother...

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Though I'm not homosexual, some of the comments directed at this group of people are really offensive. I remember a GAFer (who is still around) who posted that homosexual sex and bestiality are both as disgusting as eachother...

lolmclaren

 

[jaxword]

Though I'm not homosexual, some of the comments directed at this group of people are really offensive. I remember a GAFer (who is still around) who posted that homosexual sex and bestiality are both as disgusting as eachother...

It's that religious fanatic with 777 in his name.


Hey CHEEZMO, who was the guy who screams "anti-semitism" everywhere?

 

[The Return of]

There was that guy who cried to Evilore that he was horribly offended and religiously persecuted because of My Little Pony.

True story; he whined that people got banned for mocking MLP but not for mocking his religion. PERSECUTION!!!!

Honestly, I can kind of understand whoever said that lol. As PC, Gaf has been lately, I don't get why it's okay to troll people's religion.

 

[Lionheart1337]

Honestly, I can kind of understand whoever said that lol. As PC, Gaf has been lately, I don't get why it's okay to troll people's religion.

Trolling is ok. Just make sure you're on the right side.

 

[jaxword]

Honestly, I can kind of understand whoever said that lol. As PC, Gaf has been lately, I don't get why it's okay to troll people's religion.

If your religious beliefs are so fragile that an anonymous stranger's criticism throws you into a tantrum, it's a sign that the beliefs aren't as perfect as you want them to be.

 

[Jarmel]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=34510358#post34510358

Spoiler

but the lulz were had

Hitler during a visit to Auschwitz?

This is the best post on GAF this year.

 

[Frankenstrat]

That one thread where the guy came out of nowhere with something ridiculous involving the op's wife. That...was interesting.

 

[The Return of]

If your religious beliefs are so fragile that an anonymous stranger's criticism throws you into a tantrum, it's a sign that the beliefs aren't as perfect as you want them to be.

It's trolling regardless, I wasn't exactly referring to that person who got upset but either way still trolling. Seems to be religion gets a huge free pass to troll here, yet you troll anything else and it's a ban. They should be consistent, that's all.

 

[jaxword]

It's trolling regardless, I wasn't exactly referring to that person who got upset but either way still trolling. Seems to be religion gets a huge free pass to troll here, yet you troll anything else and it's a ban. They should be consistent, that's all.

Criticism and insult do not equal trolling.


Also, religion is the majority in the world. When the big guy whines and complains about the little guy picking on him, that's just pathetic and hypocritical and DESERVES to be mocked.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

sometimes I go browsing through old threads and see shit that people (including me) posted that would probably get them perma'd today. GAF in 05/06 was the wild west.

 

[blame space]

you guys ever use religious text when you run out of toilet paper?

 

[Az987]

you guys ever use religious text when you run out of toilet paper?

No just to roll joints with when I run out of papers.

 

[The Return of]

Criticism and insult do not equal trolling.


Also, religion is the majority in the world. When the big guy whines and complains about the little guy picking on him, that's just pathetic and hypocritical and DESERVES to be mocked.

Now you are just nikpicking lol. Insults get you banned on Gaf too. Also again, I'm not focusing on the guy who complained/whine. I'm just saying he is right about trolling religion or insulting gets a free pass regardless of it being majority of the world, which I don't think matters at all here at least. It's just not consistent with the rules here is what I'm saying.

 

[Row]

whenever people get gangpiled by the overly politically correct mob

I mean good god, anytime someone harmlessly uses the word "tranny" for example there's always an immediate, and embarrassing, frenzied backlash

 

[Trent Strong]

If your religious beliefs are so fragile that an anonymous stranger's criticism throws you into a tantrum, it's a sign that the beliefs aren't as perfect as you want them to be.

If an anonymous stranger's criticism of a children's TV show that you like throws you into a tantrum, then...it's probably time to reexamine your life.

 

[blame space]

i also defile my little pony plush toys on the reg

 

[jaxword]

Now you are just nikpicking lol. Insults get you banned on Gaf too. Also again, I'm not focusing on the guy who complained/whine. I'm just saying he is right about trolling religion or insulting gets a free pass regardless of it being majority of the world, which I don't think matters at all here at least. It's just not consistent with the rules here is what I'm saying.

It's perfectly consistent.

Things get rightly criticized if they have negative effects on the world. A bunch of cartoon watching ponyguys have zero impact on anything, ever. Religion has IMMENSE impact, bad and good, across the world.

Religion should be scrutinized and criticized because it's so important. There's valid reasons to tear it apart and there always will be throughout the future of mankind.

Cartoon Ponyboys? Picking on them is like kicking a small puppy that's going to die in 5 years.

There's a huge difference.

 

[blame space]

no jaxword, don't you see? every topic is the same and should be viewed with the same lens! it's the only thing that's fair.

 

[Wanda/Wander]

There's this MS paint image that gets posted every time a black remember posts in a "Hot Girl" thread. The image contains a woman with a large butt and a black guy saying something that I don't remember. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I find that image really fucking offensive and blatantly racist.

Am I missing some context or something?

 

[jaxword]

If an anonymous stranger's criticism of a children's TV show that you like throws you into a tantrum, then...it's probably time to reexamine your life.

I don't have time for your trolling today Trent Strong so don't come between me and Pinkle Pony.

 

[blame space]

that lady's face

 

[cdyhybrid]

Rap cars

 

[Yagharek]

That one thread where people didn't know coon was a racial slur was pretty jaw-dropping.

Its a brand name for cheese in Australia.

Of course its also used as a racial slur too amongst mostly older generations.

 

[The Return of]

It's perfectly consistent.

Things get rightly criticized if they have negative effects on the world. A bunch of cartoon watching ponyguys have zero impact on anything, ever. Religion has IMMENSE impact, bad and good, across the world.

Religion should be scrutinized and criticized because it's so important. There's valid reasons to tear it apart and there always will be throughout the future of mankind.
Cartoon Ponyboys? Picking on them is like kicking a small puppy that's going to die in 5 years.
There's a huge difference.

I'm clearly not referring to posts that are critcism of religion. I'm talking about troll/insult posts about them. It's rare here when people actually have good discussions about religion and why it shouldn't exist without trolling people's religion from what I've seen. I ain't saying ban people who give reasons why it hurts society but there's plenty of times, I've seen outright trolling. I suppose this should come to an end if you think trolling and insult people with a religion is alright just because they are the majority, because this won't go nowhere

 

[jaxword]

I'm clearly not referring to posts that are critcism of religion. I'm talking about troll/insult posts about them. It's rare here when people actually have good discussions about religion and why it shouldn't exist without trolling people's religion from what I've seen. I ain't saying ban people who give reasons why it hurts society but there's plenty of times, I've seen outright trolling. I suppose this should come to an end if you think trolling and insult people with a religion is alright just because they are the majority, because this won't go nowhere

It's pretty clear you just don't like religion being insulted, so you condemn it as trolling.

 

[The Return of]

It's pretty clear you just don't like religion being insulted, so you condemn it as trolling.

Lol are you joking around with me now?

 

[mescalineeyes]

I mean good god, anytime someone harmlessly uses the word "tranny" for example there's always an immediate, and embarrassing, frenzied backlash

try using the words faggot or nigger harmlessly and see what happens.

I'm clearly not referring to posts that are critcism of religion. I'm talking about troll/insult posts about them. It's rare here when people actually have good discussions about religion and why it shouldn't exist without trolling people's religion from what I've seen. I ain't saying ban people who give reasons why it hurts society but there's plenty of times, I've seen outright trolling. I suppose this should come to an end if you think trolling and insult people with a religion is alright just because they are the majority, because this won't go nowhere

I agree. We need to stop trolling religious people because they're being trolled by god as it is.

 

[jaxword]

Lol are you joking around with me now?

If you're not someone like that, you're definitely doing a good job impersonating one. The trolling is coming from within the house.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Hey CHEEZMO, who was the guy who screams "anti-semitism" everywhere?

Narrow it down. I dont wanna go throwing names out cause that would make me look like a douche.

 

[jaxword]

Narrow it down. I dont wanna go throwing names out cause that would make me look like a douche.

Fair enough, I think I know who it may be, but you could've just PMed me.

 

[Binabik15]

Fio was certainly quick to call everyone an evil antisemite.

 

[Slayven]

Let's not forget SCOULaris

His OPs just started out fucked up.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

If there's one example I think to illustrate a concern about religious discussion, I think a link to any feel good piece about a blatantly religious person doing a good deed can make a point. I've seen more than a few times where a story that should just lead to people going "Good for them; that was a good thing to do," but someone will make a veiled slight about motive or have to comment about how this isn't a win for religion unnecessarily, and then we're off to the races. A story about a seemingly good person committing a good deed is now "Atheism vs. Religion Thread #1,652,308."

 

[Kayo-kun]

Alot of threads about Asians, Muslims, Arabs, and my favourite one; Gypsies, ends up with posts that is borderline racism and quite offensive on GAF. Some of the posts in those threads would without a doubt be a ban if it was pointed at other ethnicities.

 

[jaxword]

If there's one example I think to illustrate a concern about religious discussion, I think a link to any feel good piece about a blatantly religious person doing a good deed can make a point. I've seen more than a few times where a story that should just lead to people going "Good for them; that was a good thing to do," but someone will make a veiled slight about motive or have to comment about how this isn't a win for religion unnecessarily, and then we're off to the races. A story about a seemingly good person committing a good deed is now "Atheism vs. Religion Thread #1,652,308."

You ever notice that, on the whole, messageboards tend to have more horrible news stories than good ones? And when the good ones are posted, at least 5 people have to comment on how this renews their faith in humanity, that it's about time an uplifting story was posted, finally, I needed a feelgood story this week after that story about the kid being raped/killed/murdering someone, etc.

As if the good stories are so rare that they feel the need to point out how rare the good feeling is.

And then, on the flip side, whenever a horrible story is posted of, say, some pedophile, some abusive parent, or yet another school shooting, people react badly, but it's a clockwork badly: Ugh, faith in humanity -1, stories like this make me fucking sick, I hope that guy rots in prison, this ruined my day , etc.

People have seen so many horrible stories that they're USED to it and are also used to their own impotence at being completely and totally unable to do a single thing about the overwhelming tide of rotten people out there.

Religion is the same way. Regardless of your religious beliefs, you'd have to be in denial to not notice that an IMMENSE percentage of those horrible stories are also religious in nature. Pedophile priests, another religious school denying science, religious-fueled murder and violence and death and war always happening somewhere in the world everyday...

There's just so much negative press every day about the latest religious-fueled atrocity.

Now, the critics of religion know they can't really do anything. No atheist is going to do a damn thing against the power of religion (at least not right now). Ranting online means nothing in the long run. But they have to feel like they're doing SOMEthing. So the criticism of religion is the attempt to feel less helpless in a tide of poison, especially when said tide is being supported (for good or bad) by religious supporters.

So, just like the clockwork reaction to negative news stories, all they can do is lash out online, a sad lament that nothing will ever change and humans are just horrible creatures. This means that those one-shot good religious stories are just like one-shot good news stories. There's just so much negative news about religion that the good deeds are almost...fake.

Fake in that they're seen as attempts to pretend all that bad press doesn't matter. Hence the clockwork negative reactions--the same way the good news stories are lost in the greater malaise about the world.

 

[Buzzati]

You ever notice that, on the whole, messageboards tend to have more horrible news stories than good ones? And when the good ones are posted, at least 5 people have to comment on how this renews their faith in humanity, that it's about time an uplifting story was posted, finally, I needed a feelgood story this week after that story about the kid being raped/killed/murdering someone, etc.

As if the good stories are so rare that they feel the need to point out how rare the good feeling is.

And then, on the flip side, whenever a horrible story is posted of, say, some pedophile, some abusive parent, or yet another school shooting, people react badly, but it's a clockwork badly: Ugh, faith in humanity -1, stories like this make me fucking sick, I hope that guy rots in prison, this ruined my day , etc.

People have seen so many horrible stories that they're USED to it and are also used to their own impotence at being completely and totally unable to do a single thing about the overwhelming tide of rotten people out there.

Religion is the same way. Regardless of your religious beliefs, you'd have to be in denial to not notice that an IMMENSE percentage of those horrible stories are also religious in nature. Pedophile priests, another religious school denying science, religious-fueled murder and violence and death and war always happening somewhere in the world everyday...

There's just so much negative press every day about the latest religious-fueled atrocity.

Now, the critics of religion know they can't really do anything. No atheist is going to do a damn thing against the power of religion (at least not right now). Ranting online means nothing in the long run. But they have to feel like they're doing SOMEthing. So the criticism of religion is the attempt to feel less helpless in a tide of poison, especially when said tide is being supported (for good or bad) by religious supporters.

So, just like the clockwork reaction to negative news stories, all they can do is lash out online, a sad lament that nothing will ever change and humans are just horrible creatures. This means that those one-shot good religious stories are just like one-shot good news stories. There's just so much negative news about religion that the good deeds are almost...fake.

Fake in that they're seen as attempts to pretend all that bad press doesn't matter. Hence the clockwork negative reactions--the same way the good news stories are lost in the greater malaise about the world.

Feeling helpless in the "tide of poison"?

Listen, it isn't hard to turn off the computer and do some volunteer work in the community. What you may not find on those "one-shot" religious stories that you bring up is the fact that most religious organizations actually sponsor those opportunities to help the less fortunate in some capacity. The church is often involved with programs like Meals on Wheels, soup kitchens, clothing drives, etc which are secular and easy way to help the less fortunate while keeping that 'tide of poison at bay'. It promotes no agenda, it doesn't line the church coffers, and it offers meaningful relief to other people. Complaining about religion on reddit or on a message board is an easy way to do nothing about something while clamoring on about how "helpless" you may feel.

I'm agnostic but most of the communal work I've done has been through religious organizations. Why? I suspect they galvanize people to communicate and work together in certain ways. During the 1980s labor riots in South Korea, religious organizations were instrumental in helping workers negotiate for union rights in some of the most gruesome of of conditions. They serve some sort of purpose - but not always a purpose that is often illustrated by the same close-mindedness that climate-change deniers and myopic arm-chair, anti-religion, anti-functionaries alike share.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

So, just like the clockwork reaction to negative news stories, all they can do is lash out online, a sad lament that nothing will ever change and humans are just horrible creatures. This means that those one-shot good religious stories are just like one-shot good news stories. There's just so much negative news about religion that the good deeds are almost...fake.

Fake in that they're seen as attempts to pretend all that bad press doesn't matter. Hence the clockwork negative reactions--the same way the good news stories are lost in the greater malaise about the world.

I just don't understand why everything needs to be viewed as an "us vs. them" situation. If I read a story of a religious person doing something good, I don't think "score one for religion!" I just think "that's swell." Whatever his religious affiliation or lack thereof and what this means for the scorecard in the overall conflict doesn't really seem to me to be the necessary focal point.

 

[Canuck76]

lolmclaren

Both me and mclaren (and most christians who are against homosexuality on here) have really gone out of our way to be respectful to LGBT people on here that we disagree with.

In both cases it's come back to "you need to change your beliefs" or "wow what a homophobe".

Really any instance in being against a homosexual stance its "wow what a homophobe/bigot. People should be able to do and believe what they want. Unless it disagrees with me. In that case screw it."

Unless there's something i don't know about gamecock and mclaren are both more, way more than fine.

 

[jaxword]

Feeling helpless in the "tide of poison"?

Listen, it isn't hard to turn off the computer and do some volunteer work in the community. What you may not find on those "one-shot" religious stories that you bring up is the fact that most religious organizations actually sponsor those opportunities to help the less fortunate in some capacity. The church is often involved with programs like Meals on Wheels, soup kitchens, clothing drives, etc which are secular and easy way to help the less fortunate while keeping that 'tide of poison at bay'. It promotes no agenda, it doesn't line the church coffers, and it offers meaningful relief to other people. Complaining about religion on reddit or on a message board is an easy way to do nothing about something while clamoring on about how "helpless" you may feel.

I'm agnostic but most of the communal work I've done has been through religious organizations. Why? I suspect they galvanize people to communicate and work together in certain ways. During the 1980s labor riots in South Korea, religious organizations were instrumental in helping workers negotiate for union rights in some of the most gruesome of of conditions. They serve some sort of purpose - but not always a purpose that is often illustrated by the same close-mindedness that climate-change deniers and myopic arm-chair, anti-religion, anti-functionaries alike share.

You know, for the record I don't SUPPORT inaction or excessive negativity. You seem to think my own character is one who supports this; do not mistake explaining its existence to mean I condone or encourage it. It simply IS how people act online and simply IS how the flow of news works.

Turning off the computer and going and doing stuff is indeed a healthy act. Did you think I was suggesting NOT doing that?

Besides, doing helpful things in groups also helps the groups image--the atheists need to realize they REALLY need to start doing that to repair their propaganda-fulled fatally damaged image. But they haven't yet, at least en masse, so what I said is the current standing.

I just don't understand why everything needs to be viewed as an "us vs. them" situation. If I read a story of a religious person doing something good, I don't think "score one for religion!" I just think "that's swell." Whatever his religious affiliation or lack thereof doesn't and what this means for the scorecard in the overall conflict doesn't really seem to me to be the necessary focal point.

That's because religion and politics are the same thing, and this means EVERY single point must be scored by either side. No middle ground, ever, just black and white, us vs them, day in, day out.

It's easier to think of the world in simplistic terms like that.

Also, let's not pretend for one second that it's the Mean Ol' Atheists that are guilty of this. All around the world people aren't doing the exact same thing when their religious "opponent" publicly screws up. Christians everywhere look for any excuse to demonize Islam or atheists. GAF is NOTHING compared to the flood of hatred for non-Christians on places like Fox news, conservopedia, Stormfront, etc. Hell, Islam doesn't like atheists at all, either, and it's not as if Christianity's existence is going to be reconciled with anytime soon. It's a neverending war, we all know this on some level, and I think most people prefer it that way.

 

[jaxword]

Both me and mclaren (and most christians who are against homosexuality on here) have really gone out of our way to be respectful to LGBT people on here that we disagree with.

In both cases it's come back to "you need to change your beliefs" or "wow what a homophobe".

Really any instance in being against a homosexual stance its "wow what a homophobe/bigot. People should be able to do and believe what they want. Unless it disagrees with me. In that case screw it."

Unless there's something i don't know about gamecock and mclaren are both more, way more than fine.

This is not true, and I suspect your honesty.

The guy you're defending thinks homosexuality is like bestiality.

When you think of a harmless group of people as barely above animals because God told you to, you have problems.

 

[Stinkles]

A lot of blatant racism/anti-semitism usually comes up in any Israel hot topic thread.

Sometimes the mods don't do anything despite people pointing it out - I imagine because it happens all the fucking time and they're sick of dealing with it.

I also think that some of the perceived anti semitism is legitimate geopolitics.there are a lot of people who don't like Israel's grip on global politics and stability, that has nothing to do with creed, religion or race. So those threads are already a giant ball of string that I would not want to be in charge of untangling.

 

[Buzzati]

You know, for the record I don't SUPPORT inaction or excessive negativity. You seem to think my own character is one who supports this; do not mistake explaining its existence to mean I condone or encourage it. It simply IS how people act online and simply IS how the flow of news works.

Turning off the computer and going and doing stuff is indeed a healthy act. Did you think I was suggesting NOT doing that? .

You wrote:

"Ranting online means nothing in the long run. But they have to feel like they're doing SOMEthing. So the criticism of religion is the attempt to feel less helpless in a tide of poison, especially when said tide is being supported (for good or bad) by religious supporters. So, just like the clockwork reaction to negative news stories, all they can do is lash out online, a sad lament that nothing will ever change and humans are just horrible creatures. "

With that sentence you implied that 'ranting online' is the only alternative these people have to dealing with how helpless they feel. I wrote that it isn't.

Besides, doing helpful things in groups also helps the groups image--the atheists need to realize they REALLY need to start doing that to repair their propaganda-fulled fatally damaged image. But they haven't yet, at least en masse, so what I said is the current standing.

Why is it important for someone to know you're an atheist when you're helping the less fortunate?

 

[Stinkles]

Both me and mclaren (and most christians who are against homosexuality on here) have really gone out of our way to be respectful to LGBT people on here that we disagree with.

In both cases it's come back to "you need to change your beliefs" or "wow what a homophobe".

Really any instance in being against a homosexual stance its "wow what a homophobe/bigot. People should be able to do and believe what they want. Unless it disagrees with me. In that case screw it."

Unless there's something i don't know about gamecock and mclaren are both more, way more than fine.

You believe that they are sinners, and that their behavior is an affront to god and that their lifestyle choice is wrong and that their love for their chosen partner is an abomination. So yes, that is your belief, but it is NOT respectful. Your belief is disrespectful to their lifestyle. Actively, passively, historically and currently. People who have shared your belief have murdered and oppressed gay people for thousands of years, so forgive them if they aren't too happy about it. And they still cant get married because of ongoing hatred from religious groups. They do not owe you any latitude and they are right, YOU need to change, they do not. It's that simple.

Your belief is the problem, not their choice of partner. Sorry if that's offensive, it's just a naked and clinical statement of fact.

Polite language in a forum, while better than the alternative, does NOT constitute respect. You may as well be a polite racist patiently explaining to an black man why he is inferior.