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ViewtifulJC
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That first Bane/Batman fight sequence may be the best scene in the trilogy.
This movie hits some real lows, but it's got some real highs, too.
This movie hits some real lows, but it's got some real highs, too.
Okay, ready to give my impressions:
+ Every scene with Alfred. Really felt he's not just a butler, he's Bruce's true guardian. A true gentlemen.
+ Bane is really menacing and I liked his voice.
+ "So that's how it feels."
+ Blake's build up to be Gotham's next guardian is really well-done.
+ That famous Knightfall scene
+ Killer Croc reference, lol
+ The ending scene was excellent
+ Overall the movie really felt like Batman's rise from his very downfall. I really like his jump in the prison.
- Selina Kyle didn't click with me. I don't know, that could be anyone else.
- The nuclear power source suddenly became an exact time bomb, complete with giant red timer
- Robin namedropping. It was a bit too blatant
- Two things that I felt really "un-Nolan like" is Ra's Al Ghul's fading out (as if to confirm the audience that he is just an illusion) and Bruce's appearance with Selina at the end (as if the confirm that yes, Bruce is alive). Really thought that the scene would be more powerful with just Alfred smiling or some other subtle notes.
Great movie, I enjoyed it.
+ Every scene with Alfred. Really felt he's not just a butler, he's Bruce's true guardian. A true gentlemen.
+ Bane is really menacing and I liked his voice.
+ "So that's how it feels."
+ Blake's build up to be Gotham's next guardian is really well-done.
+ That famous Knightfall scene
+ Killer Croc reference, lol
+ The ending scene was excellent
+ Overall the movie really felt like Batman's rise from his very downfall. I really like his jump in the prison.
- Selina Kyle didn't click with me. I don't know, that could be anyone else.
- The nuclear power source suddenly became an exact time bomb, complete with giant red timer
- Robin namedropping. It was a bit too blatant
- Two things that I felt really "un-Nolan like" is Ra's Al Ghul's fading out (as if to confirm the audience that he is just an illusion) and Bruce's appearance with Selina at the end (as if the confirm that yes, Bruce is alive). Really thought that the scene would be more powerful with just Alfred smiling or some other subtle notes.
Great movie, I enjoyed it.
But it completely ignores Ra's and the League of Shadows, the Narrows, the toxin, the monorail, etc., acting like that stuff never even happened.
Then all the sudden, we're back to referencing Ra's and the League of Shadows all the fucking time. Even Alfred is able to look up shit on them by wiki-ing Bane.
... I can't be the only one who feels like this.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
It was a prototype model, I think they said.
Also, reading through this thread, I cannot believe that people clap at movies. Have some restraint!
The entire conceit of the movie was about the value of a lie that begets good - re: Harvey Dent.
Same for me, I need to see this again SOON!
Reagan's BR
Banned
Just curious but for those who were disappointed did you prefer TDK or BB? For those who enjoyed it did you prefer BB or TDK?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I've both disappointed AND enjoyed it. If I were to give it a grade, it'd be a B-
and I prefer TDK to BB
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
I liked this movie and Batman Begins. TDK had some great parts but it felt incoherent - an action movie with poor action, for example.
I prefer TDK to BB, but not by much. BB I sometimes like more, but for different reasons.
Agree with both. I don't think we needed to underline that Ra's is a hallucination/dream with that fade out act. Just have Bruce scream and wake up.
And Bruce's return should have been more than just a nonchalant shrug.
Agree with both. I don't think we needed to underline that Ra's is a hallucination/dream with that fade out act. Just have Bruce scream and wake up.
And Bruce's return should have been more than just a nonchalant shrug.
I assumed it was a different version, since it wasn't black.. and he said it was a software fix, which meant could have been applied to any of the vehicles.
Man that would have been awesome but maybe too spinning top?
lazybones18
Banned
TDK>BB>>TDKR
I wouldn't call myself disappointed, but I think TDK is tighter and BB is the best overall movie. That said, I think ranking is a pointless exercise. Each movie shines for a particular reason.
There are components of this movie that are distinguish it from the previous films. The scale makes a huge difference. The action scenes up to about 2/3 of the way through are (surprisingly) excellent. That first fight scene between Bane and Batman is the best fight scene Nolan's done.
There was fallout though from TDK which I thought flowed relatively well. We see Bruce heartbroken and physically destroyed from
TDK. They carry themes of the good that come from lies, how corrupt the city is(something shown at the dinner party in TDK), the power of belief, Batman being an icon, and the law being a shackle. This movie is very much a sequel to both.
planar1280
Banned
Facebook and twitter has erupted. Many are calling it the best Batman and best comic book movie ever
Yep that is one of the most raw fight sequences I've seen in a movie for a long time. Definitely the best action scene and arguably the best scene as a whole of the trilogy.
Auron_Kale
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I prefer BB due to the stronger Bruce arc and while TDKR did satisfy it, some parts were kinda thrown in to see what stuck at times regarding his story.
For me TDK was really a movie that was carried by the Joker and everyone else, including Bruce himself, was kinda an afterthought.
TDKR... I loved certain parts and kinda loathed other parts so I'm still mixed about it.
Spectral Glider
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Yeah, it has some really good elements. So I wouldn't say I was disappointed overall. Just that it has some disappointing elements that kind of jump out at me as I think now think of it all as whole. The biggest movie disappointment for me this year is still easily Prometheus.
Besides all the mentions of Harvey Dent, most of the callbacks were to Batman Begins, definitely. I especially noticed this because I watched Begins 2 hours before going into TDKR. I feel like you'd probably be a little lost watching this film if you didn't watch Begins (unlike TDK, which acted like Begins never happened).
Captain Sparrow
Banned
For the first 30-45 minutes, the movie was losing me, and I was getting nervous...... but Nolan delivered, why did I ever doubt him?
Catwoman used played very well. We were all nervous when we heard about her. I don't think I would have changed anything.
How do you follow up to a villian like the Joker? Maybe Bane didn't top the Joker, but he was certainly a solid successor. I liked his voice. He didn't have the normal "bad guy" voice. Made you wonder where the hell this guy is from.
The scene where Alfred is at the grave got me. The character he has built up makes him an extremely likeable character. To see that all he wanted was the best for Bruce, and he couldn't do that, made it extremely emotional.
Catwoman used played very well. We were all nervous when we heard about her. I don't think I would have changed anything.
How do you follow up to a villian like the Joker? Maybe Bane didn't top the Joker, but he was certainly a solid successor. I liked his voice. He didn't have the normal "bad guy" voice. Made you wonder where the hell this guy is from.
The scene where Alfred is at the grave got me. The character he has built up makes him an extremely likeable character. To see that all he wanted was the best for Bruce, and he couldn't do that, made it extremely emotional.
I thought that too, but if he's trying not to be too ambiguous he can left another hint. Like just showing Bruce and Selina walk away. It just doesn't have to be him grinning to the audience.
One thing I love about this movie is it really defined what makes Batman, Batman. Even when he's physically broke and financially broke, he never gives up. People joke that Batman's superpower is money but this movie showed his will. He truly hit rock bottom and climbed his way out. When he said something along the lines of "I'm watching Bane torture my city" and it struck me that Bale was
really channeling his inner Batman.
really channeling his inner Batman.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
In this age, who do we not know about? He was a high ranking mercenary with a fable attached to his name... which happened to be false. Not that far-fetched. Look up Kona or some shit.
Inferno313
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Personally, I loved this. I do have to say it probably does have more noticeable flaws than the first two, but it hits much higher highs. My main complaint is how rushed the first act of the movie feels, I wasn't a fan of the montage-y style of cutting they used to condense certain sequences like Catwoman and Batman venturing into the sewers.
Regardless, I thought everything from the time Bane takes over onward was fantastic and I still liked the majority of the first act. I loved the hell out of this movie.
Regardless, I thought everything from the time Bane takes over onward was fantastic and I still liked the majority of the first act. I loved the hell out of this movie.
Auron_Kale
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This is exactly what I loved in this movie. I love Bruce's motivation on why he needs to be Batman.
Again, I felt like it was totally lost in TDK but it was definitely brought back for TDKR, thus giving me the closure to his story that I've wanted.
Agreed. I only like TDK slightly more than BB. Maybe TDKR will resonate more with me on repeated viewings but I didn't really feel much during the film. I watched the marathon so all three are pretty clear in my mind and TDKR definitely felt the weakest.
Freyjadour
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To hear "break you" and know what was coming was such an incredible high. Extremely well done scene.
planar1280
Banned
I have just 2 gripes.
1. How Bane knows Batman is Mr. Wayne
2. Catwoman was standing RIGHT THERE when Bane said Mr. Wayne but when Bruce comes back to Gotham Catwoman asks him, "can you bring your friend to do this?". didnt she already know?
I love Nolan did the Break the Bat scene. It was just like in the comics. I didn't think he had it in him
1. How Bane knows Batman is Mr. Wayne
2. Catwoman was standing RIGHT THERE when Bane said Mr. Wayne but when Bruce comes back to Gotham Catwoman asks him, "can you bring your friend to do this?". didnt she already know?
I love Nolan did the Break the Bat scene. It was just like in the comics. I didn't think he had it in him
Whoa, I couldnt have disagreed more. Both of these were great IMO, in fact I when Gordon figured out Batman = Bruce, I was pretty emotional. I got the same chills when Rachel figures out Batman = Bruce in BB, but on a 10x level more because of the situation.
It was a trap.
I think people (including me) need to rewatch before we can rank the trilogy more accurately cause a lot of the complaints floating around right now were probably addressed.
1. Bane explains this when he breaks down the tumbler into the sewers.
2. She was questioning if he could fight again (after getting his back broken)
Pagusas
Elden Member
What? Whats wrong with clapping when you really enjoyed something?
She was being sarcastic
Couldn't he known it from the past? Like when Wayne gets visited by Ra's in the prison, couldn't something similar happen to Bane and it get revealed that way?
EDIT: Jarmel with an even better explanation.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I don't know why people found that funny. Poor Bruce had his ass kicked and was exhausted.
1. Logic
2. She knew who he was. She was just saying can you bring Batman? wink wink
Ban Puncher
Member
With all the callbacks to the previous films, I would of liked a tip of the hat to The Joker just to cover it all.
As an example, when Bruce is in the jail watching the television reports about Gotham being held captive by Bane and getting pissed off, I would of liked a contrasting scene where we see the entrance to Arkham Asylum and cut to a figure in a chair from the back, never seeing his face, but watching the same TV feed and laughing.
Pull a sound clip of Ledger from TDK and dub it in or really sell the depths of The Joker's insanity over the eight year gap with an iconic Hamill cackle.
All in all a good flick.
As an example, when Bruce is in the jail watching the television reports about Gotham being held captive by Bane and getting pissed off, I would of liked a contrasting scene where we see the entrance to Arkham Asylum and cut to a figure in a chair from the back, never seeing his face, but watching the same TV feed and laughing.
Pull a sound clip of Ledger from TDK and dub it in or really sell the depths of The Joker's insanity over the eight year gap with an iconic Hamill cackle.
All in all a good flick.
I've known about the spoilers for this movie for ages. Some of these things were addressed, but it's the execution of them (even the valid ones), that's lacking.
Freyjadour
Member
Nolan said he felt any reference to Joker would have been inappropriate.
gnarlyxcharlie
Member
Damn, Alfred's leaving the manor was so sad. And the cemetery at the end damn near made me cry.
Couple of options here, but it makes the most sense that he knows through Talia, since the League of Shadows knows his identity.
She was being caustic.
Dog Problems
Banned
I enjoyed the movie more than I thought I would but I really wish Bane was injected with venom and shown to be even more of a badass that what the movie portrayed.
Freyjadour
Member
Which is the best argument for avoiding spoilers (if you can). You build up these unrealistic expectations of scenes in your head and then are let down when it doesn't quite play out that way.
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