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Believe it or not, gamers who like the Atelier series are NOT pedophiles
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26 pages in one day to be clear, wtf?
Blame their respective developers and publishers. It has nothing to do with GUST.
I wasn't going to post in this thread again, by the way. I think I need to reuse my old lady K-On avatar to re-establish my position as a pedophile for the noble denizens of NeoGAF.
She.
I'll personally have to wait and see on Last Story since I've heard conflicting reports on its quality. As for Growlanser, I don't have a PSP, so I'll have to wait for my inevitable Vita purchase, which will be right at about the time P4 Golden gets released to try it. Looks interesting though.
For a genre supposedly in crisis, there's been some pretty good stuff this year.
Do it!Rorona's good, and Totori and Meruru are even better!
will do, Im trying make an organized method of tackling my backlog and maybe once I finish Analogue: A Hate Story. Theres also this minor problem for me, since I recently got into shooters and have been playing Akai Katana and Deathsmiles a lot ever since I got them last month. I bought the games because I really wanted to play them. And contrary to what most people in this thread have been talking, the main reason I got interested on the Arland series is not the art style anyway but the music.
Delusibeta
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Ah, I see the drive-by trolls have returned for another lap. I'm out.
Ragingnight
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BOF isn't coming back because lolcapcom and it not appealing to the west like RE series would.
Persona already has a game in this generation, P4A. You could include P4G even though its just a port with more added features.
Finished reading the entire thread! To be honest, it kinda makes me more apprehensive and more interested in the series at the same time.
I may watch a lot of anime, and play a lot of Japanese games, but I hate fanservice. It can ruin moments in some really good anime (Code Geass). I'm glad they changed the way Motoko was dressed in 2nd season of GitS SAC. I'd really wish there'd be less of it. It's not as bad when they are older characters. Then it's just annoying. When it's lolis though, it becomes disturbing.
But I've largely learned to tune it out and ignore it. But some of the shows I watch may have elements of stuff like that. But just because it does, it doesn't mean I (or a lot of other people) can even remotely be labled as pedos. That's just insulting and generalising to the extreme.
I'm not sure how much of that kind of stuff the series contains, so I am a little worried. But at the same time a lot of people overstate certain things by using limited examples, so I'm kinda curious as to how much (or little) of the series contains these elements.
I guess I'll found out! Just ordered Rorona off Amazon. I'll make my own judgement soon. hopefully it last longer than AT Qoga
I may watch a lot of anime, and play a lot of Japanese games, but I hate fanservice. It can ruin moments in some really good anime (Code Geass). I'm glad they changed the way Motoko was dressed in 2nd season of GitS SAC. I'd really wish there'd be less of it. It's not as bad when they are older characters. Then it's just annoying. When it's lolis though, it becomes disturbing.
But I've largely learned to tune it out and ignore it. But some of the shows I watch may have elements of stuff like that. But just because it does, it doesn't mean I (or a lot of other people) can even remotely be labled as pedos. That's just insulting and generalising to the extreme.
I'm not sure how much of that kind of stuff the series contains, so I am a little worried. But at the same time a lot of people overstate certain things by using limited examples, so I'm kinda curious as to how much (or little) of the series contains these elements.
I guess I'll found out! Just ordered Rorona off Amazon. I'll make my own judgement soon. hopefully it last longer than AT Qoga
I don't even
I never considered dudes who play these games to be pedophiles but I do consider the dudes who buy statues and figures of loli animu waifu crap to be pretty strange. Especially if they're over 13.
cosmicblizzard
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Considering there are quite a few cultural differences in Japan that would seem outright sexist to the west, probably pretty poorly unless people kept an open mind.
Son of a bitch, I get it now. This entire thread is just viral marketing by GUST. We've been had.
Lumpy Onion
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I bet a bunch of people got the attention of the series from this thread. Before reading the OP I didn't have any idea what the series even was. Even though I am pretty into JRPGs.
Ragingnight
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I don't remember the fanservice in Code Geass... was it that bad? I know GitS's Makoto design was purposely made to be seductive due to the nature of the character.
cosmicblizzard
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To be fair, men are subject to just as much objectification. See otome games and the entire fujoshi market.
Let's break that down some:
- Suikoden and Breath of Fire weren't the biggest titles for their respective companies by far, AND said companies seem to be having something of a crisis this generation. So, y eah, to be expected honestly, we're probably "fortunate" Konami cared to pursue Suikoden on handhelds. Too bad one of those games clearly isn't coming here and BOTH largely missed the point on why people loved the series.
- Apparently Persona will come, but in both cases Atlus isn't a very big company, and even the PS2 games were done relatively cheaply with a LOT of recycled assets between each entry and not exactly pushing the graphical envelope.
- Xenosaga's story ended well enough, and Baten Kaitos Origin didn't do too well sales-wise. In both cases though Monolith Soft was bought by Nintendo, making it very awkward to continue those series. I guess they could've bought the BK IP, but see above.
- Developer behind Shadow Hearts dissolved and largely reformed into feelPlus, who then got absorbed into AQI. The publisher is primarily a pachinko company and I wouldn't be surprised if they had dropped video games entirely afterwards. Hell, it may be that said publisher got them through buying/owning SNK for awhile, as Koudelka was an SNK-published game originally.
- I guess Level 5 doesn't want to get to Dark Cloud again. Its sequel wasn't even CALLED Dark Cloud 2 in Japan, so I imagine games like White Knight Chronicles IS its "sequel".
For Atelier, 1. Gust is still very active, 2. it's their biggest series, and 3. it's likely the kind of game you safely could meet expectations on (roughly anyway) on a small budget. People might be expecting too much out of new MegaTen/Persona at this point, despite having always been relatively low end games, so handhelds are safer, at least for new non-Persona games.
Kallen was a walking fanservice machine
Don't forget stuff like the costume Lelouch made Nunally wear in the final episode.
cosmicblizzard
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I just realized, I haven't even shared my opinion on the series.
It's alright. I liked the original Atelier Iris a decent amount, but kind of fell out of it after that. Bought both Rorona and Totori, and while there are shades of a super addictive system in place, the lack of a central conflict kind of just made me not care. Got like 5 hours into each and then stopped. It's too bad since it's one of the few turn based JRPGs that still exist on consoles.
It's alright. I liked the original Atelier Iris a decent amount, but kind of fell out of it after that. Bought both Rorona and Totori, and while there are shades of a super addictive system in place, the lack of a central conflict kind of just made me not care. Got like 5 hours into each and then stopped. It's too bad since it's one of the few turn based JRPGs that still exist on consoles.
cosmicblizzard
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There's plenty. Battle Raper is among the better known ones.
Edit: Fuck, RapeLay is the one I forgot about!
Ein Soph Aur
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RapeLay maybe?
Your avatar would be considered pedo by people here.
I think we should should blame nintendo.I mean neogaf already blames them for everything else.
RurouniZel
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Funnily enough the lack of a central conflict is part of why I love the PS3 Atelier games so much. Every other JRPG is about defeating ultimate evil or whatever, nice to have one series that doesn't do that. ^^; But I understand why that's odd and not attractive to most people. -_-;;
Ayesha has a central conflict: she has to save her little sister.
Yes. That was the one I had in mind. That there are several titles makes me struggle a lot more.
toadster101
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RuroniZel, savior of jrpgs.
You obviously realize that Atelier and Rapelay are absolutely, totally, 100% not comparable.
Theonik
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Sure I'm not saying that the portrayal of women is good or arguing on the frequency of both phenomena as actually doing that would take some actual effort on my part
I'm just saying that the phenomenon is not exclusive to females at all. Also pushing harem aside men are also frequently objectified in anime.
Fact: This thread is more than twice as big as any Atelier game's OT and it's growing. By that estimate this is probably the greatest exposure the series ever got on GAF!
That has a lot to do with AnimeGAF.
I'm honest. I think she looks cute like that, not sexy. The things that draw my attention in that image are her smile, her eyes, her hair and her sparkles, in that order. In the anime she frequently dresses with messy baggy clothes so it fits the image I have of her, but it's like the music of a good game, if it's good it doesn't draw attention to itself and instead just enhances the feeling of the scene. Her clothes would draw my attention if she were dressing in an odd way, like really orderly or goth or whatever. There's not even cleavage. I wouldn't have given two thoughts about her clothes if it weren't for your question, kinda like how I didn't care about videogame music until people praising some games for theirs brought it to my attention
I feel puzzled when people look at that and automatically see it as sexual, similar to how I feel about the people that sexualize Lazy Town
Didn't RapeLay feature realistic-ish visuals, which made it more controversial than the usual eroge?
Femmeworth
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No, no they are not. Not in terms of quantity or severity.
Theonik
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Yes, but. That doesn't mean that tons of people aren't seeing this, hence exposure.
DTL has told me otherwise!
It has to do with the fact they a lot of her skin is out in the open and her breasts are almost exposed. I don't find it surprising that people would notice that.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
It looks like a underage anime girl wearing what looks to be skimpy top that's falling off while in a flirty pose... yeah.. that's sexualized very much so. Strange people think that there is nothing wrong with the idea of something like that.
Yeah, because drawing fitting clothing is the sign of a bad artist instead of an actual conscious choice? I'm going to assume you were being sarcastic to feel better about this.
What's the target market of that kind of stuff? If you say it's for kids.. then yeah awkward.
If you say it's for adults.. even more awkward.
I already know the answer btw..
This isn't Spongebob tossing some hidden adult humor in for the parents watching.
fastford58
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The fact that someone felt that this thread was a necessity speaks volumes.
Could be, I never watched more than an episode or two of the show but I still think she looks like that in the show at times too.
Does it? What does it imply?
Fully in agreement.
Erio's mother Meme is an awesome character. why would anyone actually bother to sexualize Erio when Meme exists?
It's a Megami scan. If you want to consider that fanart, I guess you can.
Well, you can't really, now that I think about it. Nishida Asako illustrated it after all. Most Megami spreads are illustrated by the character designers or key animators working on the show.
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