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Believe it or not, gamers who like the Atelier series are NOT pedophiles

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Shahed

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Ragingnight said:
I don't remember the fanservice in Code Geass... was it that bad? I know GitS's Makoto design was purposely made to be seductive due to the nature of the character.
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It's not that there was huge amounts of fan service, but it was at inappropriate moments. Like she's in the cockpit mid fight. It'd be a serious moment in the heat of battle, then you'd get a shot of her from behind. Why? It's weird because I like Kallen as a character. Just didn't like the situations she got herself in at times.

As for Motoko, it wasn't that bad. When a person is dressed revealingly and they are meant to be a seductive character, it's not a problem. That's not fanservice. There's meaning as to why they are dressed. If it's revealing for the sake of it, then it's fanservice. It's just when as the beginning she was giving police reports and debriefs in her leotard where it seemed out of place. Perfectly fine when she was tricking the guys in the odd club/bar
 
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cajunator

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I'm pretty sure thats a scene from the first episode when he first sees Erio.
Meme is who you should be image searching anyway.
 
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Mandoric

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NervousXtian said:
What's the target market of that kind of stuff? If you say it's for kids.. then yeah awkward.

If you say it's for adults.. even more awkward.

I already know the answer btw..

This isn't Spongebob tossing some hidden adult humor in for the parents watching.
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Frustrated 15-year-olds: 50-75%
30-year-olds who want to relive an idealized school life: 20-45%
45-year-olds with rusty vans: 5%

As fun at it is to troll, the people with actual serious issues are really way outnumbered. Most adult fans are in it to feel young and free again, and a wide range of 20something and 30something women for them to chase would honestly be creepier in a cougar-molestation way. The seriously icky material, on the other hand, is just as icky if you imagine the high-schooler they're role-playing as doing it.

If you need a western cultural touchstone, the entire thing is similar to '80s slasher flicks with their scantily-clad "suburban teenagers" and "camp attendees".
 
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7Th

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Envelope said:
Ignoring touhou, there's the largest amount of fujoshi doujins at any given comiket compared to any other type.

(that sentence may be incomprehensible for the uninitiated)
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I guess what makes most non-Japanese people think that doujinshi is mostly porn aimed at straight men is that doujinshi that's not porn aimed at straight men doesn't get scanned or translated nearly as much. In Japan, fujoushi superiority in terms of fanbase is pretty well-known.
 
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Li Kao

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Mandoric said:
Frustrated 15-year-olds: 50-75%
30-year-olds who want to relive an idealized school life: 20-45%
45-year-olds with rusty vans: 5%

As fun at it is to troll, the people with actual serious issues are really way outnumbered. Most adult fans are in it to feel young and free again, and a wide range of 20something and 30something women for them to chase would honestly be creepier in a cougar-molestation way. The seriously icky material, on the other hand, is just as icky if you imagine the high-schooler they're role-playing as doing it.

If you need a western cultural touchstone, the entire thing is similar to '80s slasher flicks with their scantily-clad "suburban teenagers" and "camp attendees".
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So you say I have now a little more than 10 years of fantasizing over a failed schoolhood and then I will be in serious trouble. Hmm. In these gazillion posts there is sometime one like this, with a little depth, or a little tought, or simply without a single drop of pre-made judgement.
Thank you, this post was nice.

But I'm still not prepared to share with you what I do with kitten. While playing Doraemon DS. Without a stylus.
 
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survivor

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Envelope said:
Ignoring touhou, there's the largest amount of fujoshi doujins at any given comiket compared to any other type.

(that sentence may be incomprehensible for the uninitiated)
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One can also see how popular Kuroko's Basketball fanart is on pixiv and see the power of fujoshi fanbase.
 
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Tomat said:
Does it? What does it imply?
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It kind of weird that the OP felt the need to defend his/her taste based on an IRC comment. I dont think any rational person would say liking the Atelier series means you are a pedophile. I wouldn't even bother responding. Either the IRC user was just trolling or is completely ignorant on the subject.
 
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tim.mbp said:
It kind of weird that the OP felt the need to defend his/her taste based on an IRC comment. I dont think any rational person would say liking the Atelier series means you are a pedophile. I wouldn't even bother responding. Either the IRC user was just trolling or is completely ignorant on the subject.
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I would count on the former being the case though, I think the IRC was more of a spark that set-off the thread rather than the sole reason. Just looking at the responses to this thread it's not at all something that is just trolling in-fact even before the thread this like of thinking to which the OP is responding could be found in threads unrelated to the series when the subject of the series was brought up.
there is people who ACTUALLY think that liking the Atelier series somehow makes you a paedophile.
 
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Li Kao

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Negator said:
Atelier threads are the new My Little Pony threads
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We need a little pony drawn the anime way, and then my friend, no thread limit will stop us, the sky is the limit !
One of you better be working on a terrific presentation for 'Atelier 2 : so you guys were serious when you said pedo' thread.
 
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rpmurphy

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Li Kao said:
We need a little pony drawn the anime way, and then my friend, no thread limit will stop us, the sky is the limit !
One of you better be working on a terrific presentation for 'Atelier 2 : so you guys were serious when you said pedo' thread.
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My Little Ponies are already being drawn in every way possible.
 
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Tomat

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Li Kao said:
We need a little pony drawn the anime way, and then my friend, no thread limit will stop us, the sky is the limit !
One of you better be working on a terrific presentation for 'Atelier 2 : so you guys were serious when you said pedo' thread.
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Uhhh, no, we really fucking don't.

I feel like the furry equivalent to this thread would be amazing. Please make it happen Hitokage.
 
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Tomat

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cosmicblizzard said:
What would it say? I mean the furry thread over in OT already gets flack.
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Believe it or not, people who like furries are not beastiality enthusiasts.

This is just me being an ass who would enjoy reading a thread like that. Sorry :(
 
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Li Kao

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Tomat said:
Believe it or not, people who like furries are not beastiality enthusiasts.

This is just me being an ass who would enjoy reading a thread like that. Sorry :(
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Oh God forgive me for what I am about to say, forgive the fact that I am about to divide by zero but... Tomat, your need to justify your desire for furry speaks volume !
 
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androvsky

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Theonik said:
I would count on the former being the case though, I think the IRC was more of a spark that set-off the thread rather than the sole reason. Just looking at the responses to this thread it's not at all something that is just trolling in-fact even before the thread this like of thinking to which the OP is responding could be found in threads unrelated to the series when the subject of the series was brought up.
there is people who ACTUALLY think that liking the Atelier series somehow makes you a paedophile.
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Yeah, the trolling in Atelier threads, and pretty much anything else with cute anime female characters, used to be really bad. It's been great the last six months or so, even the Neptunia V threads were remarkably troll-free so far. I get the feeling it's going to get much, much worse now. :(

I joined neogaf in 2007 and knew better even then than to use an anime avatar if I wanted to discuss certain games. Oh well, at least I know which mod to PM when threads start getting crapped on again. :)
 
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Thoraxes

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This is also a sick sick film, where an older woman hits on a young, underaged boy.

Disgusting. I hope none of you have ever watched this filth.

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Ragingnight

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Unknown Soldier said:
Everyone else sat in normal chairs in their mechas. Kallen's seat required her to straddle it like she was riding a racing bike. She was the only character in Code Geass who had to pilot her mecha like that.
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Hm, never crossed my mind tbh. I rewatched some episodes just now and remember the whole bunny outfit she had.
 
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Femmeworth said:
No, no they are not. Not in terms of quantity or severity.
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Every single "character" in a videogame is an object. They lack sentience and exist only to be owned, controlled, destroyed, and ultimately be a tool for the author and player. From the meaningless inn keeper to the badass spec ops soldier, they are the objectified forms of fake human beings.

This is different from "sexual objectification", which is objectification with a flavor of sexual titillation (mainly when that is a character's sole purpose).

There is an odd moral high ground people stand from where they treat the objectification of fictional beings as dehumanization despite there being no human subjects.
 
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Cactus

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I've never played an Atelier game, and I probably never will, so what I'm about to say is not necessarily a condemnation of the series specifically, but I really take issue with the over-sexualisation of young girls. Beauty pageants for children, "Toddlers in Tiaras," and Japanese videogames with half naked girls of seemingly indiscernible ages all disturb me greatly and for a person to receive some sort of fetishistic enjoyment specifically from seeing a pre-pubescent girl emulate a sexually mature woman is, in my honest opinion, borderline perverse.

I had the misfortune of playing Star Ocean 4 a few years ago, and while a lot of people seemed to direct their anger and ridicule towards Edge and Lymle (sp?), Meracle, for me, was the most disturbing character in the game. Nothing she said or did suggested that she was anything other than a child, yet she was portrayed physically as a sexualized humanoid figure. I'm just speaking for myself here, but if the intent of tri-ace was to create a sexy, erotic female character, giving her the mental capacity of a small child seems very counter-productive.

My apologies if similar sentiments have already been discussed.
 
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Shahed

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Cactus said:
I had the misfortune of playing Star Ocean 4 a few years ago, and while a lot of people seemed to direct their anger and ridicule towards Edge and Lymle (sp?), Meracle, for me, was the most disturbing character in the game. Nothing she said or did throughout the game suggested that she was anything other than a child, yet she was portrayed physically as a sexualized humanoid figure. I'm just speaking for myself here, but if the intent of tri-ace was to create a sexy, erotic female character, giving her the mental capacity of a small child seems very counter-productive.

My apologies if similar sentiments have already been discussed.
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Star Ocean is full of cliches and Tropes. Meracle was there to fulfill the sexy/cute catgirl role. It's in loads of animes and games. And yes I found it disturbing.

But my anger in SO4 was at everything apart from the awesome gameplay. That was great. Story, characters, presentation and voice acting? They were almost painful.
 
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7Th

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cosmicblizzard said:
Is there a villain of some sort? Human(oid) bosses? A "final" boss? Stuff like that.
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It has a final boss and an "antagonist" of sorts; it's definitely classier, darker and with less fanservice than previous Atelier games.

Atelier Artland series setting: happy perfect fantasy land.
Atelier Ayesha setting:
post-apocalyptic, the dawn of mankind.
 
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cosmicblizzard

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7Th said:
It has a final boss and an "antagonist" of sorts; it's definitely classier, darker and with less fanservice than previous Atelier games.

Atelier Artland series setting: happy perfect fantasy land.
Atelier Ayesha setting:
post-apocalyptic, the dawn of mankind.
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Interesting. Guess it's on my radar then.
 
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Femmeworth

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Riposte said:
Every single "character" in a videogame is an object. They lack sentience and exist only to be owned, controlled, destroyed, and ultimately be a tool for the author and player. From the meaningless inn keeper to the badass spec ops soldier, they are the objectified forms of fake human beings.

This is different from "sexual objectification", which is objectification with a flavor of sexual titillation (mainly when that is a character's sole purpose).

There is an odd moral high ground people stand from where they treat the objectification of fictional beings as dehumanization despite there being no human subjects.
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-_- That's what we are talking about.
Envelope said:
Ignoring touhou, there's the largest amount of fujoshi doujins at any given comiket compared to any other type.

(that sentence may be incomprehensible for the uninitiated)
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What fans produce doesn't really count in this particular discussion.
cosmicblizzard said:
I don't think you understand just how gigantic the fujoshi scene is. BL is MASSIVE. Like, it eclipses so much male oriented sexy stuff.
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It certainly doesn't in anime or mainstream video games, maybe in the fan/indie scene.

Edit: I do find the fetishization of gay men, possibly more so than women, problematic.
 
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Mandoric said:
why are we even mentioning kallen

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Because she starts at ridiculously high Will that lets her use Gurren's best attack pretty much at the start of turn 1. It's also ridiculously broken, post movement, size/barrier ignore, high damage attack that can one shot grunt units without any upgrades. Oh and Gurren is S size so it has absurdly high dodge/hit rates, and if that's not enough it also has an energy barrier that let's it tank way more damage than you would expect from a real robot.

Oh and she is also a rather large part of the show and is one of several characters that was exploited for fanservice. Not that the later statement isn't true for the entire female cast of the show. But then again you are right, Code Geass is pretty much dead as a franchise so there is no merit in talking about it in the first place.
 
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Mandoric

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Lostconfused said:
Because she starts at ridiculously high Will that lets her use Gurren's best attack pretty much at the start of turn 1. It's also ridiculously broken, post movement, size/barrier ignore, high damage attack that can one shot grunt units without any upgrades. Oh and Gurren is S size so it has absurdly high dodge/hit rates, and if that's not enough it also has an energy barrier that let's it tank way more damage than you would expect from a real robot.

Oh and she is also a rather large part of the show and is one of several characters that was exploited for fanservice. Not that the later statement isn't true for the entire female cast of the show. But then again you are right, Code Geass is pretty much dead as a franchise so there is no merit in talking about it in the first place.
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Half a fucking page and no one's picked up on well-lubricated furniture being rubbed vigorously. GAF is disappointing tonight.
 
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Lostconfused

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Mandoric said:
Half a fucking page and no one's picked up on well-lubricated furniture being rubbed vigorously. GAF is disappointing tonight.
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Look I only know SRW games, I don't actually remember or know the anime shows that constitute them.

Yeah to be honest the frequent and constant ass shots end up being more memorable than table fucking
 
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