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[Gartooth]

You're waaaaay off on that Bioshock dude, the game has a cult following and dedicated fanbase, just thought you should know.

You do realize this is a business right? Do you honestly think they didn't go after extremely obvious characters like Crash and Spyro? Thing is negotiations don't always fall through. Activision may have offered them Crash and Spyro.... but for an outrageous amount of money, yes we could've had them.. but sometimes when developing a game you have to think fast about what compromises are worth it or which are not. If Activision's price tag was so high that they'd have to axe a part of the game or cut resources, then fuck it, go find other characters.. Crash isn't more important than a more refined game. The priority should always be the gameplay, and the game as a whole, if adding someone would hurt the games budget in anyway, it isn't worth it imo.

And yes, I did enjoy those characters on PSone, I'm just not an overly self-entitled person, and can get over characters I want not making it. Cause there's always hope that if I support this game we can get them OR EVEN MORE in a sequel. Just look at fighting games in general, yes it's 2012, but no matter the time or era in gaming it seems the same. MvC1's roster is a baby compared to MvC3's, Smash 1 and Smash Brawl, and the list goes on. I would LOVE 30+ characters, but people have to understand that each character added requires time and resources to develop, they are a relatively small team aside with some additional help from SS. I will admit to them not giving Sony's Japanese characters enough of a nod, and Evil Cole getting in at all is quite LOL worthy. But anyone remember Dr. Mario? LOL, I was one of the people who didn't know Melee's roster before release, and when I unlocked him I was ready to rage, but I got over it after a day or so.

But I like the gameplay, and need something/s to satisfy my until the next Smash ^__^. So I'll be getting this day 1. Regardless of being disappointed by many things, the truth is, we'll never know why we didn't get many or a few of the characters we want. But as someone who understands how hectic, and stressful making a game can be, I can get over it pretty easily since these things just happen. The final product will never be as good as your initial idea/vision, all the things you wanted just won't make it. Ask any designer, director, etc. Some people just complain too much, and lets admit, at times, when we all get upset we can be pretty inconsiderate and ignorant.

The whole number thing with Bioshock was just a made up number to compare it's large number of fans compared to the people who want classic Playstation characters is all, I know the fanbase is much bigger than that but if you have a concrete number for it's fanbase I would be happy to hear it.

Anyway yes the point of my argument was that maybe Sony decided that those characters weren't worth the hassle because if it would have been between a bunch of classic characters that aren't as relevant compared to the new and upcoming characters in games, they went for the later because of cross promotion and the potential for a bigger fanbase.

Oh and please don't make me out to be entitled, I for the most part am very happy with the first party character selection and am keeping an eye out on this game, hoping that it will succeed. I just feel that overall the 3rd parties characters were a misstep and if I'm not within my right to express my disappointment over that, then what the hell am I on GAF for.

 

[Mr. Fix]

I don't agree with dropping the game entirely either. Buy it used if you wanna stick it to them, the game still looks neat.

But maybe, just maybe, if things go well, we'll get a sequel, and perhaps by then the third parties in control of Cloud, Spyro, Crash, Lara Croft, etc, will be more inclined to join the party.

It shouldn't be this way. They made a huge blunder with 3rd parties. That's the gist of it.

 

[J-Tier]

I just want to mention that Crash is more likely to happen than Spyro, though they're both unlikely.

Since Skylanders is raking in literally hundreds of millions of dollars in sales, Activision won't bat an eye at this game.

 

[Takao]

I just want to mention that Crash is more likely to happen than Spyro, though they're both unlikely.

Since Skylanders is raking in literally hundreds of millions of dollars in sales, Activision won't bat an eye at this game.

Is Spyro even in Skylanders 2?

 

[J-Tier]

Is Spyro even in Skylanders 2?

He will be in "Skylanders: Giants". It's rather sad...but it's an ingenious money making strategy. All those little toys...

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

I don't agree with dropping the game entirely either. Buy it used if you wanna stick it to them, the game still looks neat.



It shouldn't be this way. They made a huge blunder with 3rd parties. That's the gist of it.

I'm not understanding the blunder part. They are at the mercy of third parties ans only have so much money and time to spend.

 

[Mr. Fix]

I'm not understanding the blunder part. They are at the mercy of third parties ans only have so much money and time to spend.

I don't know how the process worked between the individual parties, but it's pretty obvious why some of them are in here.

 

[cyborg009]

One thing that I felt odd really odd about is why is the new dante look being use now, I love dante and all but I just find it odd. Looking at MVC3 and Project X zone they use the older look instead. not saying I will hate him or something be just felt weird.

I voted for kazuma kiryu since he has a game coming out and been a playstation exclusive game.

 

[SmithnCo]

One thing that I felt odd really odd about is why is the new dante look being use now, I love dante and all but I just find it odd. Looking at MVC3 and Project X zone they use the older look instead.

Maybe Capcom thinks the new look would appeal/sell the game to more people outside Japan?

Either way he'll probably have a classic alt (same with Heihachi and Raiden too, hopefully) so I'm not too concerned with characters' designs.

 

[cyborg009]

Maybe Capcom thinks the new look would appeal/sell the game to more people outside Japan?

Either way he'll probably have a classic alt (same with Heihachi and Raiden too, hopefully) so I'm not too concerned with characters' designs.

ya no problem

I really want a good stat tracker

something like this

or like the one timeffect posted which shows what moves you did the most during a single match.

 

[TheMink]

ya no problem

I really want a good stat tracker

something like this

or like the one timeffect posted which shows what moves you did the most during a single match.

I remember when you posted that the first time!

Its a good idea for sure.

 

[Figboy79]

I don't agree with dropping the game entirely either. Buy it used if you wanna stick it to them, the game still looks neat.



It shouldn't be this way. They made a huge blunder with 3rd parties. That's the gist of it.

How is it their blunder if they couldn't get third parties on board, though?

There's only so much money Sony can sink into PBR.

This isn't Gran Turismo, where it's bound to sell 8-10 million copies off the bat. PBR isn't going to have a 60 million dollar budget.

The game already has, at the least, 4 third party characters in the game: Big Daddy, Dante, Heihachi, Raiden (possibly). That's 4 individual third party deals. In my book, that's pretty impressive. This isn't like Marvel vs Capcom, where the only people striking the deal were Marvel and Capcom. When Nintendo got Snake in Brawl, that was just a deal between Nintendo and Konami.

This is Sony, Capcom, 2K, Namco, and Konami. 4 distinct deals had to be in place just to get those 4 characters in the game. You're all basically asking Sony to ink deals with Capcom, 2K, Namco, Konami, Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Rockstar, Eidos, Square-Enix, etc. That's crazy, especially for an unproven IP with a budget of, I'm pretty sure, less than 20 million.

Those dollars can only stretch so far, and I think it's kind of unfair to get on SuperBot's case, when 1, it's Sony's wallet, and 2, not all third parties are playing friendly, and more than likely, asking for too much in terms of licensing fees.

Sure, it would be great if we got every single one of our ideal picks, but this is business, and it's out of our hands, and it's out of SuperBot's hands. They've done the best they can with the time and budget they've been given, and, fortunately, the game is actually fun, which is the most important factor.

@jtir, I'm also a big fan of crossover games, but I'm primarily and Smash Bros and MvC fan. This one is now added to that list based off of my time with the beta.

 

[Mik_Pad]

How is it their blunder if they couldn't get third parties on board, though?

There's only so much money Sony can sink into PBR.

This isn't Gran Turismo, where it's bound to sell 8-10 million copies off the bat. PBR isn't going to have a 60 million dollar budget.

The game already has, at the least, 4 third party characters in the game: Big Daddy, Dante, Heihachi, Raiden (possibly). That's 4 individual third party deals. In my book, that's pretty impressive. This isn't like Marvel vs Capcom, where the only people striking the deal were Marvel and Capcom. When Nintendo got Snake in Brawl, that was just a deal between Nintendo and Konami.

This is Sony, Capcom, 2K, Namco, and Konami. 4 distinct deals had to be in place just to get those 4 characters in the game. You're all basically asking Sony to ink deals with Capcom, 2K, Namco, Konami, Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Rockstar, Eidos, Square-Enix, etc. That's crazy, especially for an unproven IP with a budget of, I'm pretty sure, less than 20 million.

Those dollars can only stretch so far, and I think it's kind of unfair to get on SuperBot's case, when 1, it's Sony's wallet, and 2, not all third parties are playing friendly, and more than likely, asking for too much in terms of licensing fees.

Sure, it would be great if we got every single one of our ideal picks, but this is business, and it's out of our hands, and it's out of SuperBot's hands. They've done the best they can with the time and budget they've been given, and, fortunately, the game is actually fun, which is the most important factor.

@jtir, I'm also a big fan of crossover games, but I'm primarily and Smash Bros and MvC fan. This one is now added to that list based off of my time with the beta.

I support this.

 

[Mr. Fix]

How is it their blunder if they couldn't get third parties on board, though?

There's only so much money Sony can sink into PBR.

This isn't Gran Turismo, where it's bound to sell 8-10 million copies off the bat. PBR isn't going to have a 60 million dollar budget.

The game already has, at the least, 4 third party characters in the game: Big Daddy, Dante, Heihachi, Raiden (possibly). That's 4 individual third party deals. In my book, that's pretty impressive. This isn't like Marvel vs Capcom, where the only people striking the deal were Marvel and Capcom. When Nintendo got Snake in Brawl, that was just a deal between Nintendo and Konami.

This is Sony, Capcom, 2K, Namco, and Konami. 4 distinct deals had to be in place just to get those 4 characters in the game. You're all basically asking Sony to ink deals with Capcom, 2K, Namco, Konami, Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Rockstar, Eidos, Square-Enix, etc. That's crazy, especially for an unproven IP with a budget of, I'm pretty sure, less than 20 million.

Those dollars can only stretch so far, and I think it's kind of unfair to get on SuperBot's case, when 1, it's Sony's wallet, and 2, not all third parties are playing friendly, and more than likely, asking for too much in terms of licensing fees.

Sure, it would be great if we got every single one of our ideal picks, but this is business, and it's out of our hands, and it's out of SuperBot's hands. They've done the best they can with the time and budget they've been given, and, fortunately, the game is actually fun, which is the most important factor.

Good point. Having to wait for a sequel is kind of a pain though. This is all interesting stuff. I just wish they'd shell out a little more for Snake, instead of settling for Raiden.

 

[SmithnCo]

Good point. Having to wait for a sequel is kind of a pain though. This is all interesting stuff. I just wish they'd shell out a little more for Snake, instead of settling for Raiden.

We really don't know if Snake is in or not, or the logistics of how much it would cost, etc. They have quit a few events where they could announce stuff so hopefully the rumor that the leaked roster is final isn't true.

 

[SSReborn]

Yup, I actually really wonder how much goes into these contracts. I'd assume certain third parties like Activision wouldn't want there characters anywhere near say an EA character. I wonder if Sony has to outline every character that's in the game at the time of contract signing. Has to ensure that there won't be two third parties advertised together etc.

 

[Mr. Fix]

We really don't know if Snake is in or not, or the logistics of how much it would cost, etc. They have quit a few events where they could announce stuff so hopefully the rumor that the leaked roster is final isn't true.

Mmm.

On a lighter note, I'm hoping for these in-game alts:

Surely that's not too hard, expensive, or far-fetched to ask for.

 

[SSReborn]

Young Jak with guns can't wait to see that lol hope he's a mute too

 

[Quick]

One other thing I want to say about it after playing it today: Big Daddy is pretty damn mobile for a character being huge and bulky. Jumps like hell.

It's a fighting game, I know, but I just thought it was funny. I feel like Kratos is going to be my go-to character whenever I pick this up. I'll have to try the others later today.

 

[SSReborn]

One other thing I want to say about it after playing it today: Big Daddy is pretty damn mobile for a character being huge and bulky. Jumps like hell.

It's a fighting game, I know, but I just thought it was funny. I feel like Kratos is going to be my go-to character whenever I pick this up. I'll have to try the others later today.

Was this at FanExpo and if so what build do they have up too? I may go check it out Sunday.

 

[Ragingnight]

I'm not buying this as a playstation fan. I'm buying this as a competitive brawler and nothing more. If there are no characters that catch my eye then I simply pass it. I'll wait till the whole reveal before judging anything.

At the very least I hope Kat is in the game. Was looking forward to either Cloud or Lightning but o well.

 

[@MUWANdo]

How is it their blunder if they couldn't get third parties on board, though?

There's only so much money Sony can sink into PBR.

This isn't Gran Turismo, where it's bound to sell 8-10 million copies off the bat. PBR isn't going to have a 60 million dollar budget.

The game already has, at the least, 4 third party characters in the game: Big Daddy, Dante, Heihachi, Raiden (possibly). That's 4 individual third party deals. In my book, that's pretty impressive. This isn't like Marvel vs Capcom, where the only people striking the deal were Marvel and Capcom. When Nintendo got Snake in Brawl, that was just a deal between Nintendo and Konami.

This is Sony, Capcom, 2K, Namco, and Konami. 4 distinct deals had to be in place just to get those 4 characters in the game. You're all basically asking Sony to ink deals with Capcom, 2K, Namco, Konami, Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Rockstar, Eidos, Square-Enix, etc. That's crazy, especially for an unproven IP with a budget of, I'm pretty sure, less than 20 million.

Those dollars can only stretch so far, and I think it's kind of unfair to get on SuperBot's case, when 1, it's Sony's wallet, and 2, not all third parties are playing friendly, and more than likely, asking for too much in terms of licensing fees.

Sure, it would be great if we got every single one of our ideal picks, but this is business, and it's out of our hands, and it's out of SuperBot's hands. They've done the best they can with the time and budget they've been given, and, fortunately, the game is actually fun, which is the most important factor.

@jtir, I'm also a big fan of crossover games, but I'm primarily and Smash Bros and MvC fan. This one is now added to that list based off of my time with the beta.

That all makes sense, but if the whole draw of the game is contingent on third-parties playing nice (and going on a lot of posts in this thread that's exactly the case) then maybe they should have rethought the concept from the beginning.

 

[corporate cheerleader]

We really don't know if Snake is in or not, or the logistics of how much it would cost, etc. They have quit a few events where they could announce stuff so hopefully the rumor that the leaked roster is final isn't true.

But it is true. Snake's not playable.

 

[Jawmuncher]

But it is true. Snake's not playable.

When was this confirmed?

 

[corporate cheerleader]

Don't know, I'm just trying to ruin people's dreams here.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Don't know, I'm just trying to ruin people's dreams here.

What a jerk move

Spoiler

I like it

 

[corporate cheerleader]

It's like DmC. I was one of the many ragers at first, but seeing how much it pisses off certain people (not anyone in this thread), I kinda hope it'll be successful and that the anger will be maintained for many, many years. Not that I'll buy that shit, I'll just watch from a distance.

 

[Noi]

It's like DmC. I was one of the many ragers at first, but seeing how much it pisses off certain people (not anyone in this thread), I kinda hope it'll be successful and that the anger will be maintained for many, many years. Not that I'll buy that shit, I'll just watch from a distance.

Cut that out.

 

[corporate cheerleader]

You don't want FUCK YOU Dante to become canon?

 

[Spinluck]

The whole number thing with Bioshock was just a made up number to compare it's large number of fans compared to the people who want classic Playstation characters is all, I know the fanbase is much bigger than that but if you have a concrete number for it's fanbase I would be happy to hear it.

Anyway yes the point of my argument was that maybe Sony decided that those characters weren't worth the hassle because if it would have been between a bunch of classic characters that aren't as relevant compared to the new and upcoming characters in games, they went for the later because of cross promotion and the potential for a bigger fanbase.

Oh and please don't make me out to be entitled, I for the most part am very happy with the first party character selection and am keeping an eye out on this game, hoping that it will succeed. I just feel that overall the 3rd parties characters were a misstep and if I'm not within my right to express my disappointment over that, then what the hell am I on GAF for.

I wasn't making you out to be entitled, I was referring to people who think having 1 or 2 characters that they really want seem more important than the game itself. What if we got the best roster ever for a crossover fighter? What if we had 50 characters, but the gameplay was straight up shit? Is it quantity over quality in these situations or not? Because so far this roster is so diverse aesthetically and moveset wise, I have yet to see a clone character or duplicate animations. Aside from everyone having a aerial smash down attack/ground stomp or slam, everyone is different. People assume Superbot has Capcom level resources for their first ever fighting game/game. Superbot is a pretty small team, and if not for SS helping who knows how long this game would take. I'm not making excuses, I'm just thinking realistically, and basing my opinion off the facts in front of me.

I'm not saying you cannot express yourself -____-, you can express yourself whenever or however you feel. What is somewhat disappointing are the people with complaints ,that; they do not back up.

Do I have a reason to be disappointed at some of the news we know so far? Hell yea, Evil Cole so far is the worst inclusion, I know I haven't seen him.. but why not just make him a Zelda/Sheik-Pokemon Trainer character.. a whole separate character?? I am disappointed by the lack of female representation, the majority of the roster favoring mostly the Western Sony IP's, and the lack of life in the soundtrack(so far).

But what I admire, is that the biggest focus seems to be the gameplay, which it should be if it is the first iteration of a franchise. Yes, we might not get all the characters we want, but say the game is a success, and they get a bigger budget and more resources the next time around? Who's to say more companies won't be open to lending their IP's to that game? And even if they don't, if they improve on the aspects that need improving that's good enough, at least they'll have the chance to.

The thing is, people are so quick to write off things.. and not give it a chance. "NO CRASH NO BUY, FUQ DEES SHEIT", so the quality of the game wasn't one of factors you were looking at before buying it? It was Crash? Ok lol. But then those same people will complain about companies not trying to do new things, or why companies aren't taking inspiration from games that aren't shooters, or zombie games.. Those types of self-entitled gamers are part of the problem :-/

 

[Itchy//Tasty]

I can't fathom why anyone would complain about the roster. I've been in since Parappa.

 

[Leezard]

I'm a bit disappointed that there aren't more/different third party characters. I still don't think Fat Princess deserves a spot in the roster. I really enjoy Smash gameplay though, and this game is similar enough that I'll buy it day one.

 

[Shahed]

It's not really the roster I have an issue with. Sure I'd want certain characters, but I'm not that bothered. The gameplay seems spot on as well. It's the presentation.

The music seems a big let down. I'm not a fan of the general UI and art even if has been improved from earlier builds. What kind of modes do we have? I can't be too harsh here since there's a lot that hasn't been revealed yet, but it in my eyes they've got a lot of work to do to the general presentation. Why else do you think a lot of people have dismissed it or had reservations from what they've seen, but once they played the game it was fine. It may play great, but it doesn't look or sound great

This seems like a silly thing to say, but maybe they focused too much on the gameplay and not enough of other things that while less important, are still vital to the overall reception of a product

 

[Acquiescence]

I can't fathom why anyone would complain about the roster. I've been in since Parappa.

Oh there's plenty to complain about. But regardless, I've been in since Parappa too. And Sly, Jak, Ratchet, Toro and Sackboy have kept me from becoming too livid about how things have panned out/are panning out.

 

[libregkd]

I can't fathom why anyone would complain about the roster. I've been in since Parappa.

I'm actually pretty damn excited about roster so far because I'm a pretty big fan of Sony's franchises. I mean sure, I would be estatic if Snake or Cloud were playable characters but just the thought of having Parappa, Sir Dan, Jak, Ratchet, Drake, and Kratos in a single game is wonderful.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

I think the current roster is awesome. Not perfect but still great. Tho I'm still not convinced this is the final roster.

 

[Spinluck]

I think the current roster is awesome. Not perfect but still great. Tho I'm still not convinced this is the final roster.

Ditto, like your avatar btw

Awesome anime....

Spoiler

Beatrice for PBR?

 

[ascii42]

I can't fathom why anyone would complain about the roster. I've been in since Parappa.

Yeah, Parappa (and his Level 3 Super) to me was an early sign that they know what they are doing.

 

[Noi]

Ditto, like your avatar btw

Awesome anime....

Spoiler

Beatrice for PBR?

Off-topic, but good lord man do yourself a favor and look up the actual source material if you think the anime is anywhere close to being described as "awesome".

OT: I'm still in on this game because the gameplay is solid, but I'm not really excited for the roster/reveals so far because they're mostly obvious inclusions. Kratos, Ratchet, Jack, Sly and co. not being in this game would be like Smash Bros without Mario, Kirby, Link or Pikachu. The reveal that WAS surprising (Spike) is from a franchise I have no real attachment to (though it's awesome that he's actually in the game).

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Off-topic, but good lord man do yourself a favor and look up the actual source material if you think the anime is anywhere close to being described as "awesome''

I actually watched the first 2 arcs as anime, took a lil time off and started the visual novel (now in the middle part of episode 2 still). To be fair it seems the anime is pretty faithful while not as fleshed out but that really can't be helped. I did do Higurashi only as anime and it was pretty good (while some parts are just terrible lol). I might give a shot for Higurashi VN after I finish with this one.

 

[Schobeleth]

How is it their blunder if they couldn't get third parties on board, though?

There's only so much money Sony can sink into PBR.

This isn't Gran Turismo, where it's bound to sell 8-10 million copies off the bat. PBR isn't going to have a 60 million dollar budget.

I agree with what you're saying, but I also have a counter point though. Why couldn't Superbot have just done the roster a la SSB or Melee, i.e. all Sony exclusives and no third party?

I'd rather have it that way at least so there's no argument over which third parties get in or not, and once the series gets some legs and clout they can negotiate those awesome third party characters they clearly can't get right now.

Whether it's the budget or the negotiations failing, who knows - but I think people would've been a lot happier if it was just all Sony characters, at least for the first game. Since third party is still a small bit of the roster it's not that big of a deal but I think the "Playstation Celebration" message is being lost a bit.

I know, I know, third parties have helped make Playstation what it is today but.. I just think Sony has plenty of exclusives to make a full roster, possibly for even the first two games.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

I agree with what you're saying, but I also have a counter point though. Why couldn't Superbot have just done the roster a la SSB or Melee, i.e. all Sony exclusives and no third party?

I'd rather have it that way at least so there's no argument over which third parties get in or not, and once the series gets some legs and clout they can negotiate those awesome third party characters they clearly can't get right now.

Whether it's the budget or the negotiations failing, who knows - but I think people would've been a lot happier if it was just all Sony characters, at least for the first game. Since third party is still a small bit of the roster it's not that big of a deal but I think the "Playstation Celebration" message is being lost a bit.

I know, I know, third parties have helped make Playstation what it is today but.. I just think Sony has plenty of exclusives to make a full roster, possibly for even the first two games.

Spoiler

I'd much rather have Heihachi, Raiden, Big Daddy and Dante than Kat, Wander, Ico and Jen Tate for example *runs*

 

[SmithnCo]

Don't know, I'm just trying to ruin people's dreams here.

I prefer Raiden anyway so WHATEVER.

Spoiler

Snake is still in though

 

[Schobeleth]

Spoiler

I'd much rather have Heihachi, Raiden, Big Daddy and Dante than Kat, Wander, Ico and Jen Tate for example *runs*

Well I've always said Big Daddy and Dante being in the game are pretty much laughable, considering one is from a franchise definitely not associated with Playstation and the other is from a reboot that isn't even out yet. I'll take Raiden over nothing from MGS and Tekken will always be "that Playstation fighting game" IMO, despite the fact that it's multiplatform now.

Out of the exclusives you've mentioned I think only Kat has a place in this game, Wander and Ico would be kind of weird. I'd rather have Alundra, Vahn from Legend of Legaia or Dart from Legend of Dragoon. Those are all wholly owned by Sony and any of them would make awesome additions to All-Stars and shouldn't cost Superbot a dime, right?

For anyone arguing against Sony's owned properties being adequate for a full roster (at least in the first game), I humbly direct you to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment#Owned_franchises_and_properties

 

[Drago]

I have been gone a very long time, haha

Did I miss anything important?

 

[corporate cheerleader]

I have been gone a very long time, haha

Did I miss anything important?

Ryu Hayabusa DLC confirmed, Snake disconfirmed, don't listen to SmithnCo.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

Ryu Hayabusa DLC confirmed, Snake disconfirmed, don't listen to SmithnCo.

Also can you make sure dancing snake is on the next page as well?

 

[Carl]

So many whiners in here, lol

 

[SSReborn]

C'mon Superbot show me something new. Does EVERYTHING have to be shown at gaming events?

 

[corporate cheerleader]

Also can you make sure dancing snake is on the next page as well?

Sure.

So many whiners in here, lol

C'mon Superbot show me something new. Does EVERYTHING have to be shown at gaming events?

The biggest things weren't shown at gaming events, hahahaha