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Black Panther vs Batman: Armbars are banned to make it fair for Batman
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Skeletor?
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Panther is less emo/whiny, smarter, richer, has better tech, is a better and more physically capable fighter, does more for his people, and generally handles situations better and more efficiently than Batman.
So to me? Yes.
So, Batman is better.
Miight I ask why
I don't understand where you got that from.
Personally, id like to see bruce go without any of his advancements in a unrelated city and see how he turns out.
Well that's what I find grating about a character. If you are going write a character as picture perfect and nigh unbeatable at whatever he does, then you already lost me.
Tchalla supposedly does everything better than any human in existence.
I can see why BP can never be big as Batman.
EDIT: I should say as much as I love Batman, I hate Batgod depictions.
Wiktor
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He put arm lock on silver surfer....just how fucking retarded is that? Seriously.
Also...what I've read about Black Panther made him seem like an 8 years old kid saw Batman and then said "I will make somebody so much cooler than that!!! He will be better at everything!" and in reality ended up with something terribly lame as the result.
D tier? What the hell?
And that batgod depictions is one of the main ones. When someone says batman can beat supes seriously, then scoff at bp armbaring surfer, there's something wrong there.
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But despite all of that, Panther loses to people in his universe because against Hulks, Thors, etc being a smart rich guy isn't enough. Panther has made mistakes.
Batman sidesteps all of that with lolgadgetspreptime.
Wiktor
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Are you kidding me? Batman beating Supes in Dark Knight Returns was much more belivable than BP armbanding Silver Surfer :]
Fanboyism aside, let's not boil down all Bat Stories as to him being invincible and protected by plot armor. Bats actually has a longer and more storied publishing history which is a testament to that. BP doesn't even come anywhere close to that.
Batman beating supes is never believable.
spindashing
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Superman is naive and trusting. Batman doesn't go around soloing Doomsday or Darkseid. Silver Surfer is more powerful than guys like Thor, the mere idea of a human, Batman or Black Panther, being able to touch him is pure fanwankery.
Beta Ray Bill, who has the power of a norse god and advanced alien technology, has issues with Silver Surfer, but you're telling me that some rich dude can totally get the sneak on Silver Surfer. Black Panther's fanbase is Wolverine fanbase levels of delusional.
The same can be said of Bruce.
Come off it. You used that superman is naive and trusting as a way that batman can beat him, and bp fanboys are delusional?
Superman IS naive and trusting. The whole point of Superman's comics is that he's blessed with physical prowess in all ways, but he believes too much in people being naturally good. That's the whole point. That's the reason Lex Luthor exists.
Nevermind the fact that Batman works directly with Superman all the time and probably knows stuff that no one else knows. Black Panther's 'studying' of Silver Surfer would be entirely second hand.
Diprosalic
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i don't know this guy but he needs to join the next avengers movie. we need some color in there.
Excluding DC Vertigo I'd say the same about DC characters. Some of the newer DC stuff has been better from what I hear but those characters always seemed dull as shit to me.
He glitched a room in order to trap mephisto. Ones preparation isn't lesser than the other. The only difference is that bp probably doesn't have a record of of powers and weaknesses of all his allies.
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-Batman is written more inconsistently than Panther. Bottom line, as the characters are currently constructed, Panther would curbstomp Batman if neither character benefits from plot retardation.
-That has nothing to do with the head to head versus comparison this topic is supposed to be about. I'm sure there are other factors that go into that as well (date of creation, cultural relevance, rogue's gallery, race).
Wiktor
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It is belivable because of Kryptonite, which in itself was designed solely to make Supes beatable.
Batman won by planning and exploiting the enemy's weaknesses. He didn't overpower him physically. Even a slight pat from Supes was breaking Wayne's bones.
Instead here we have a dude overpowering Silver Surfer physically.... a human overpowering Silver Surfer. To get to that level of ridiculousness Batman would have to beat Supes with his bare hands using ninja techniques.
Hahah why did he originally join the Avengers again?
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*cough*
and the Illuminati?
Wiktor
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I don't like DC too, only Batman pretty much and Vertigo. To be honest, the thing I hate most about both of those universes is that they are shared universes. I like reading about Batman, Spiderman or Daredevil as long as I can pretend they exist in their own separate universes.
head to head Bats loses against most creations. the edge BP would have would be his vibranium. He would hardly curbstomp Bruce.
Consistency ? yeah if being consistently dull is a plus, then BP hands down.
This is just like that episode of Aladdin/Hercules.
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I can agree with this to an extent. Batman in the greater DC universe sucks to me. I don't like the X-Men as part of the greater Marvel universe.
I'm fine with Spider-Man being part of Marvel, though.
haha, let's not even go there.
Power. He's nothing if not paranoid. But he's not stupid either.
Batman, because batman is white and that would be more realistic... according to some comicbook fans, as Dwayne Mcduffie explains:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16sKK-1oLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=190s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16sKK-1oLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=190s
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Why get salty about it? This is a thread about two guys fighting. Also his strength and speed are a major advantage over Batman. And I suppose Batman's really exciting in that you never know what you're gonna get. He'll kick the shit out of Darkseid in one issue, then get his shit pushed in by a bank robber in another.
Not really. Any 'normal' human getting the drop on a Cosmic level Mutant or whatever the DC equivalent is would be stupid to me. Hell, I thought Wolverine being able to fight Thor was stupid.
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The Anti-Monitor
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Both often end up being the coolest and bestest at everything and omg you guys theyre so awesome, Black Panther usually via magical martial arts and tech and Batman via plans.
And it sucks whenever they do that.
And it sucks whenever they do that.
Why does Black Panther have better strength or speed than Batman? Sounds like Batman was established as the 'mold' for the non-super super heroes, and the writer of Black Panther just decided 'yeah well. ..T'challas better!'
I thought the same thing. Looks like it was drawn on a tablet but then just colored using a basic photoshop or something. Batman's art looks like he has random stripes
I have already said what I needed with regards to the OP. The rest is my opinion on how Bat stories trump Panther stories.
Anyway if something I said granted me victory, then I'll take it.
The Anti-Monitor
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That's pretty much what Marvel does. Most of those copies are forgotten, some end up being better than the DC version.
Just try and see how many Batman and Superman equivalents Marvel has.
Two. Crazy and black variants.
you counting blue marvel ? How is he crazy ?
EmCeeGramr
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i seriously cannot get over fucking black panther beating silver surfer in terms of pure strength. this is the sort of shit that lead to them taking the piss out of stupid fanboy victories with squirrel girl beating thanos "for reals."
it's like ted kord pinning down the spectre with a full nelson
it's like ted kord pinning down the spectre with a full nelson
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