If there is money to be made, yes.
They said AMD 7, so like others said they probably mean 700.
There was a lot of money to be made on the Wii as well... just sayin'
EDIT: Beaten like a red-headed stepchild.
If there is money to be made, yes.
They said AMD 7, so like others said they probably mean 700.
Well, the article does seem to confirm that the system is a lot closer to current gen than it is to ps4 and 720 which a lot of people in the speculation thread did not think was the case.
From what I recall, most people knew what the Wii U was going to be
There was money to be made with the Wii as well, and we all saw that many 3rd parties willingly excluded the Wii Market from their main portfolio, using the Wii as a garbage dump to finance their main business.
I for one by now expect the same strategy again with some occasional stand out efforts every 2 years or so.
There was a lot of money to be made on the Wii as well... just sayin'
EDIT: Beaten like a red-headed stepchild.
Maybe they were referring to the R700 chips, and all this DX talk is weird, it's a method to easily say what set of features the GPU can support but it won't use DX as a lot of people than me already explained.
Well, the article does seem to confirm that the system is a lot closer to current gen than it is to ps4 and 720 which a lot of people in the speculation thread did not think was the case.
There was money to be made with the Wii as well, and we all saw that many 3rd parties willingly excluded the Wii Market from their main portfolio, using the Wii as a garbage dump to finance their main business.
I for one by now expect the same strategy again with some occasional stand out efforts every 2 years or so.
From what I recall, most people knew what the Wii U was going to be
The outdated architecture still was a major factor in that. With Wii U now we can see dirty ports much easier.
Beaten by nordique.
Architecture-wise Wii U so far resembles PS4 and Xbox 3 more than it does PS360.
What would be awesome is if your TV constantly stayed in third person view and the tablet serves as your sniper scope.
wiiU looks much, much simpler to port to though as the architecture is similar enough to the current gen machines. Assuming the development tools are in good shape, you could probably do a WiiU port of a 360 game pretty quickly, so incremental costs are relatively low.
The outdated architecture still was a major factor in that. With Wii U now we can see dirty ports much easier.
Beaten by nordique.
It's still dissapointing to learn that it's little more than an overclocked 360.
It's still dissapointing to learn that it's little more than an overclocked 360.
A tri core IBM CPU and amd Gpu is closer to 720 than 360?
I bet 100 croissants on that.
We'll say wow. We will say wow in front of Wii U titles even when its competitors will be available.
Just like people did with Mario Galaxy on the Wii.
Just like people did with Mario Galaxy on the Wii.
It won't be an overclocked 360, period.
It wasn't the case a few months ago when i participated a lot here.
And it's EVEN LESS the case now (refer to the tidbit i wrote lately).
It seems a really solid system, and i can't wait to see the second generation games, with studios having a good grasp on it from the start of their development.
We'll say wow. We will say wow in front of Wii U titles even when its competitors will be available.
I bet 100 croissants on that.
Low-power CPU, GPU emphasizing general processing. The maker isn't really relevant.
Even Iwata has talked about different architecture compared to current consoles.
Another reason to be confident for the Wii U capabilities and it's potential to throw visual marvels at us (in addition to fun experiences of course).
Let's rejoice with some buffet and legendary gif using Iwata at the latest Nintendo Direct
No doubt they have phenomenal artists. MG never blew me away like something like Uncharted 2 did though. When high-artistry meets high-tech, shit gets bananas.There are sections in SMG that don't feel like a Wii game at all - hence why many speak of "Nintendo magic" when referring to the game's visual quality.
SMG2 looks even better in most parts in my opinion.
What the hell is wrong with you?!I don't like croissants... but I won't start that again.
In theory, in practice we all know how 3rd parties will plan their investments. They've made their bed and Nintendo is the convenient garbage dump where they can offload their feces packaged in game cases.
A tri core IBM CPU and amd Gpu is closer to 720 than 360?
Those are good points, but I have so very little faith in 3rd parties to make smart, rational decisions that I'm not going to hold my breath.
Just like people did with Mario Galaxy on the Wii.
It won't be an overclocked 360, period.
It wasn't the case a few months ago when i participated a lot here.
And it's EVEN LESS the case now (refer to the tidbit i wrote lately).
It seems a really solid system, and i can't wait to see the second generation games, with studios having a good grasp on it from the start of their development.
We'll say wow. We will say wow in front of Wii U titles even when its competitors will be available.
I bet 100 croissants on that.
"It's not about beating everyone else in a surface shader processing clock speed war. That's not what they're about. They're about saying, we've got this great roster of IP, all these great characters, how do we build a piece of cost-effective hardware - they're a business, they've got to make profit - that will allow our players, our very loyal Nintendo players, to interact with this IP and great worlds and characters in a new way?
"If you think about the Wii U in that light, suddenly it makes a huge amount of sense. Suddenly we're going to be able to explore the world of Zelda and Mario in a new way with our friends. And that's the rationale behind that platform. It's not a gunning war in terms of hardware. As soon as you do that, you start to think about the games in a different way. You start to get excited about what it affords you as a game designer, and players should get very excited about it as well."
I think he meant itwell many people DID actually say wow when they saw Galaxy, so i'm not sure what you are getting at.
If there is money to be made, yes.
They said AMD 7, so like others said they probably mean 700.
1GB of usable system memory isn't low at all, it's amazingly great for a game console. Don't compare this to PC memory, because PC's are running Windows - Windows 7 uses 4GB RAM all by itself (if you don't have 4GB RAM, it is constantly accessing "virtual memory" on your hard drive or flash drive to get what it needs).
well many people DID actually say wow when they saw Galaxy, so i'm not sure what you are getting at.
1 GB is a nice bump over the pitiful amounts of memory the PS3 and 360 have (although if it's slow it might not be such a significant upgrade), but it's definitely not "amazingly great". It's "good" for this generation, but would be laughably bad for a "true" next-gen console.
And while agree that you can't directly compare RAM amounts between consoles and PC... W7 using 4 GB of RAM all by itself? What?
Durango is rumoured to have 6-8GB of RAM.Hm... no. How much RAM do you think 720/PS4 will have? I'm betting 2 GB maximum.
So 1 GB isn't that bad even by next-gen standards.
And yeah, W7 usually eats around 1 - 1.5 GB.
It won't be an overclocked 360, period.
It wasn't the case a few months ago when i participated a lot here.
And it's EVEN LESS the case now (refer to the tidbit i wrote lately).
It seems a really solid system, and i can't wait to see the second generation games, with studios having a good grasp on it from the start of their development.
We'll say wow. We will say wow in front of Wii U titles even when its competitors will be available.
I bet 100 croissants on that.
I believe the PS4/x720/PC will be a force with lots of traction. But the main difference with the previous gen is the Wii U will benefit from a much friendlier environment than Wii did. PS3, x360, Wii U, smartphones, tablets (and Vita) will share close assets, and form a market probably just as big as the next next gen.When people say "it's just 2006 all over again" they're buying into the fallacy of history repeating itself. History does not repeat itself. It does, however, resonate with past circumstances.
Is there a real reason to be concerned about Wii U's long term support? Yes.
Is 2012 the exact same situation as 2006? No, of course not.
We're now in an industry that has learned it is very hard and expensive to keep raking in the AAA core gamer dollar, that most of your over-budgeted triple A games fail to make money, and studios regularly shutter because the situation is unsustainable.
We are also in an industry that has seen how blind it was to the Wii's potential to blow up, and utterly failed to capitalize, leaving money on the table. And the existence of far wider audiences than the 20-30 year old male is now firmly established, even the nature of those audiences isn't fully understood.
The Wii also did not launch with games directly competitive to the other platforms. From day 1, it was outclassed in terms of software available. The unusually long 7th generation may, just possibly, be a boon to Nintendo. It allows them to launch Wii U, and for the next 1-2 years position the console as having a truly competitive library with the other guys, plus all the exclusive stuff only Nintendo can offer.
I know that many do not want to see the 8th generation as having the potential of repeating the 6th - with a triad of consoles with noticeably segmented performance. The notion that the PS4 and Xbox 720 will be as far beyond Wii U as this gen is beyond PS2 is too firmly entrenched. (And a recipe for massive disappointment.)
But I think there is some potential for Nintendo to force a PS2-Gamecube-Xbox scenario here - though in a modified form, whatever shape that will take.
Oddly, a 'soft crash' of the AAA games industry might help them out. If the number of AAA+A games does decline over the next few years, it would appear that only means the number of superior exclusives the next gen MS and Sony consoles have will be a lot smaller. There does seem to be an assumption in place that after a year or so, every significant game on the other consoles will be a UE4-powered technology festival that will be impossible to port to Wii U.
But it's also possible we would end up with a situation that resonates with the 6th generation - the most powerful consoles occasionally get their showpiece title, and the average multiplatform game remains at a level a couple of notches below that.
Hm... no. How much RAM do you think 720/PS4 will have? I'm betting 2 GB maximum.
So 1 GB isn't that bad even by next-gen standards.
And yeah, W7 usually eats around 1 - 1.5 GB.
What would be awesome is if your TV constantly stayed in third person view and the tablet serves as your sniper scope.
Hm... no. How much RAM do you think 720/PS4 will have? I'm betting 2 GB maximum.
So 1 GB isn't that bad even by next-gen standards.
And yeah, W7 usually eats around 1 - 1.5 GB.
I believe the PS4/x720/PC will be a force with lots of traction. But the main difference with the previous gen is the Wii U will benefit from a much friendlier environment than Wii did. PS3, x360, Wii U, smartphones, tablets (and Vita) will share close assets, and form a market probably just as big as the next next gen.
I think 2 GB is the minimum they will have; anything less would be awful, considering that we know developers are really limited by the 512 MB of the current HD consoles. But 2 GB would be acceptable, and a much more significant upgrade than 1 GB.
Yes, that's about what W7 usually eats up for me. So what's this about it using up 4 GB all by itself? That's ridiculous.
Another major point. Another problem with publishers capitalizing on Wii's success was in building technology explicitly for it - Wii could do a lot more than a Gamecube but it was rarely taken advantage of outside Nintendo.
PS4 may very well end up with 2GB of ram (I think they might put more in personally) but the next Xbox should have well over 2GB, possibly 8GB though maybe only 6 of it will be for games
edit: beaten above >.<
I'm a bit confused- that Eurogamer article said absolutely nothing new and frankly said nothing that would go against the consensus in this thread for months. Why are certain posters trumpeting the article as some new, profound breakthrough that "proves" their point?
It's probably mainly down to the pathethic low RAM count. If true, 1GB is absolutely pathethic and really only widens the gap to what the next gen of engines and games will consume.
I sure hope they don't plan on selling this for more than 250 Bucks as anything above that would be robbery for what the machine will do. And in terms of long term viability... it seems the console has even problems getting current games, with developers actively distancing themselves from the WiiU, pushing brands like Bioshock actively away from association with it... well the writings are on the wall.
Again, I just hope Nintendo has made an effort to make their release calendar more stable as 3rd parties won't be filling in this time either... at least not beyond 2013.
It's going to be 300 bucks. Except it and move on.It's probably mainly down to the pathethic low RAM count. If true, 1GB is absolutely pathethic and really only widens the gap to what the next gen of engines and games will consume.
I sure hope they don't plan on selling this for more than 250 Bucks as anything above that would be robbery for what the machine will do. And in terms of long term viability... it seems the console has even problems getting current games, with developers actively distancing themselves from the WiiU, pushing brands like Bioshock actively away from association with it... well the writings are on the wall.
Again, I just hope Nintendo has made an effort to make their release calendar more stable as 3rd parties won't be filling in this time either... at least not beyond 2013.
PS4 may very well end up with 2GB of ram (I think they might put more in personally) but the next Xbox should have well over 2GB, possibly 8GB though maybe only 6 of it will be for games
edit: beaten above >.<
not seeing what this has to do with IdeaMan's bet. people WILL say wow to some Wii U games even after the other consoles are out. it's a pretty safe bet.And how many did say"wow" cause it was running on Wii?
How many would have said "wow" if it were running on 360 or PS3?
Well, the article does seem to confirm that the system is a lot closer to current gen than it is to ps4 and 720 which a lot of people in the speculation thread did not think was the case.
It's still dissapointing to learn that it's little more than an overclocked 360.