Lord Ghirahim
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I would be pretty embarrassed to play Vita in public, what if people think I'm into moé fishing games? I haven't told my S.O. I own a Vita, I'm sure it would ruin our relationship.
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So Wii U and PS3 prices are at near parity in Japan...
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I would be pretty embarrassed to play Vita in public, what if people think I'm into moé fishing games? I haven't told my S.O. I own a Vita, I'm sure it would ruin our relationship.
I'm in tears. :lol
frankie_baby
Member
My girlfriend has several toys she ain't embarrassed to play with them
Projectjustice
Banned
lol
yellowjacket25
Member
I think its a balancing act. Im not sure how much they could reasonably cut the price right now and they run a serious risk of the Wii U cannibalizing any bump they would get from a price cut. If they were to cut the price, and end up with lackluster results because the excitement of the Wii U launch then they are in a substantially worse position then before.
I can understand why certain Sony fans are very much hoping that the Wii U is A.) Perceived by Japanese consumers to not be all that more powerful than PS3, even if it is; B.) Care enough about that fact to not buy the hardware in droves before the PS4 hits.
I think that the tablet controller, and the software that best demonstrates it, are going to be the biggest determining factors, by far, in the adoption rate of the console.
Edit: Exactly what jerd just said lol.
I think that the tablet controller, and the software that best demonstrates it, are going to be the biggest determining factors, by far, in the adoption rate of the console.
Edit: Exactly what jerd just said lol.
"We are told that Christ was killed for us, that His death has washed out our sins, and that by dying He has disabled death itself. That is the formula. That is Christianity. That is what has to be believed. Any theories we build up as to how Christ's death did all this are, in my view, quite secondary: mere plans or diagrams to be left alone if they do not help us, and, if they do help us, not to be confused with the thing itself."
Dunno why you think that quote is so great
Jaded Alyx
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I was being sarcastic, for crying out loud. I thought the bit about playing it during flights would make it obvious.
Nonsense. When Nintendo can produce a brandnew console that's faster than the PS3 and 360 (how much faster we don't know), has more memory plus comes with a tablet controller that's almost half the price of the console itself, you bet both Sony and MS can sell their 6 year old hardware cheaper than they do now.
Both consoles need a price cut.
Byakuya769
Member
I'm really torn on this. On one hand, I really doubt there would be much crossover with PS3 purchasers and purchasers of a new console, the successor to the wii. This, the potential to make money on some consoles may just outweigh the higher volume, as not much can be done to slow a new console with divergent tech like the wii U.
On the other hand, this is a troubling sign for the pricing of the PS4 and maybe it is a missed opportunity to slow down the wii U even a little. If the PS4 comes out much more expensive than the wii U, I think it's DOA. It going to take a lot more than higher res textures to get Sony out of its precarious position.
On the other hand, this is a troubling sign for the pricing of the PS4 and maybe it is a missed opportunity to slow down the wii U even a little. If the PS4 comes out much more expensive than the wii U, I think it's DOA. It going to take a lot more than higher res textures to get Sony out of its precarious position.
grimshawish
Banned
The WiiU has what, 4 times the memory of the PS3?
It also has a wireless screen that has less lag than a TV.
This is not a debate about actual value.
Sony don't believe that a big price cut will significantly change the sales of the PS3, so instead their widening the profit margin (unless ofc their still being mental and this slim does cost more to produce) on each unit; knowing their sales will take a hit - so that they can maintain some profitability until the PS4 release.
There is no debate as to which system has more value in the box.
It also has a wireless screen that has less lag than a TV.
This is not a debate about actual value.
Sony don't believe that a big price cut will significantly change the sales of the PS3, so instead their widening the profit margin (unless ofc their still being mental and this slim does cost more to produce) on each unit; knowing their sales will take a hit - so that they can maintain some profitability until the PS4 release.
There is no debate as to which system has more value in the box.
I don't think you quite understood what I was saying: You can't put out a PS3 with a different CPU or different memory or something, because it would break all games. The engineering effort required to further shrink the chips would be gargantuan and very expensive (and Sony would know - it was gargantuan to take it to the current node).
And no that's NOT the CS Lewis quote I was looking for! lmao
Hey, wow, it's a thing!I know this is easy to forget about, but
It seems these conversations always boil down to which will sell a greater number of units. Profit per sale never even enters into the conversation. Clearly Sony is fine with the # of sales they're generating. Educated guess, but i'd wager the profit from the sale of a PS3 is quite a bit higher than margin of a WiiU sale at launch. Granted it wasn't always that way, but clearly they're okay with losing the battle of # of units.
With all of the money that Sony lost on the PS3, they have every right to ensure that they charge enough to turn a decent profit on the new ultra slim model.
As long as the product sells, then I don't see what the problem is. They have to convince investors that this sort of business model is still potentially very profitable. I don't think Sony is all that concerned about not selling a ton of hardware alongside the Wii U. I don't expect a PS2/PSP like situation with the PS3, where it outsells its successor for a long while, simply because the PS3 was not as successful as those two products.
As long as the product sells, then I don't see what the problem is. They have to convince investors that this sort of business model is still potentially very profitable. I don't think Sony is all that concerned about not selling a ton of hardware alongside the Wii U. I don't expect a PS2/PSP like situation with the PS3, where it outsells its successor for a long while, simply because the PS3 was not as successful as those two products.
Yeah, why bother with marketshare, perception of brand, selling software and all that?
Poe's law and all man, almost hit a reply to that one too until I saw this post.
Because that's what I said.
Profit per Vita sold must be astronomical!
That's not how sarcasm works. Especially when you're using text to convey said sarcasm.
Cause market share and # of units sold is not as important this late in the cycle. The traditional console business model is to sell the hardware at a loss early in the generation. The company makes up for the loses over time through software sales.
But now we are near the end of the generation. That 'over time' is coming to an end.
If they sold the hardware at a loss to increase market share, it would do little good. There is not enough time to recoup the losses via software sales.
Developers will be making games for next gen. New PS3 owners will be buying cheaper older games or used games. That means very little software royalty money for Sony.
They are making the intelligent business decision to maximize profits (related to new PS3 buyers) based mostly on hardware.
Devilgunman
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After the press, I have a bad feeling that PS3 ultraslim will be Sony's last console. It doesn't make sense why they price it at that price. Think about out it, why would anyone who has no interest in ps3 at this point go out and buy a new ps3 if it's not any cheaper than the old one?
GameplayWhore
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Not like you could have put a sarcasm mark at the end of your post or anything؟
GameplayWhore
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I'm curious about how "traditional" that model is. Nintendo can barely be said to have done it with the GameCube, though they did have to step in there with the 3DS and might with the Wii U. This generation and last generation Microsoft and Sony did it, but did Sega do it in most of their generations? Was it done for the PSX or the Neo Geo or the 3DO or the TurboGrafx?
I'm genuinely curious. These days, people in gaming circles seem to use the term "traditional" to mean "stuff that started recently". I'd like to know if this was considered normal practice (outside of Nintendo) universally or if it's more something that was used the last two gens but less so previously.
Because they are more concerned about the profit margin per unit sold than how many units they sell overall? I doubt that Sony is trying to amass a PS2 or even a PSP sized install base in Japan at this point. It's far too late for that so why even try with a cheaper console that won't even turn a profit?
And PS4 is definitely happening. Sony would not give up on the living room hub that easily. That is essentially what these new consoles will be which is what MS and Sony have been working towards for 18 years; Wireless Entertainment Hubs. The games are just a means to an end.
H_Prestige
Banned
I know this is easy to forget about, but
You know it wasn't long ago that many people on GAF thought glasses free 3D would be a game changer. As it turned out, nobody really gives a shit about 3D in the first place. For some reason Nintendo and its fans were oblivious to that.
Just pointing out that nintendo's various gimmicks aren't foolproof. I don't see a screen on a controller being the ace in the deck. I see it as merely another bullet point. If wii u catches fire, it will be for other reasons.
Nah I was just saying that even if the innards of the consoles are on par, that doesn't mean that the Wii U should be cheaper. I don't think the poster I was replying to was factoring in the gamepad when trying to calculate which system should be cheaper.
Not a defender of WiiU but I will say at least the tablet has a real purpose. Tablets are much bigger than 3D ever was/will be as well.
H_Prestige
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This is not a tablet computer.
It's a tablet controller with many of the same functions.
A toy is a console that you are embarrased to play because it comes in red and blue and you can play kiddie games on it and...
the iPod touch is a toy.... everything is a toy...
Obviously, it's branched off of that idea which is popular though.
frankie_baby
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Considering 90% of tablets are only used for watching video, playing games and web browsing and then never leave the house, yeah to most people it is
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
the pricing of the PS3 in relation to the Wii U and vice versa are largely irrelevant.
It seems pretty clear that there's little overlap in the two target audiences (as crazy as that sounds, outside of "they play games")
If you haven't bought a PS3 until now - i'm not sure there's going to be a deluge of demand at the current price point.
Nintendo , i think, are looking to get the Wii/Nintendo only players to upgrade to Wii U - with the theory that those millions of people who bought Wii either lapsed out of gaming, or didn't invest in PS3 or X360.
So - especially for Japan - when the PS3 and Wii U are , side by side, nearly the same price the differences in price is largely irrelevant, and the difference in library isn't going to make a jot of difference to the perceived target audience Nintendo are looking at because they've ignored a slew of games to date -anyways-. What difference is a couple of extra games, a new model, and a new (ahem) improved price point going to make when the Wii U theoretically is a continuation/improvement of an experience they enjoyed enough to not invest in the PS3 in the first place?
Infact, i'd go onto argue that Sony having the price at parity possibly pushes one or two (not a significant number) over to the Wii U. Arguemnts about "nyuk 6 year old tech" become a little crazy when the price of ACTUAL 6 year old tech = "nyuk 6 year old tech"
Don't get me wrong - i think the PS3 will sell fine out here, but i don't think there's many people sitting trying to decide between PS3 or Wii U.
It seems pretty clear that there's little overlap in the two target audiences (as crazy as that sounds, outside of "they play games")
If you haven't bought a PS3 until now - i'm not sure there's going to be a deluge of demand at the current price point.
Nintendo , i think, are looking to get the Wii/Nintendo only players to upgrade to Wii U - with the theory that those millions of people who bought Wii either lapsed out of gaming, or didn't invest in PS3 or X360.
So - especially for Japan - when the PS3 and Wii U are , side by side, nearly the same price the differences in price is largely irrelevant, and the difference in library isn't going to make a jot of difference to the perceived target audience Nintendo are looking at because they've ignored a slew of games to date -anyways-. What difference is a couple of extra games, a new model, and a new (ahem) improved price point going to make when the Wii U theoretically is a continuation/improvement of an experience they enjoyed enough to not invest in the PS3 in the first place?
Infact, i'd go onto argue that Sony having the price at parity possibly pushes one or two (not a significant number) over to the Wii U. Arguemnts about "nyuk 6 year old tech" become a little crazy when the price of ACTUAL 6 year old tech = "nyuk 6 year old tech"
Don't get me wrong - i think the PS3 will sell fine out here, but i don't think there's many people sitting trying to decide between PS3 or Wii U.
H_Prestige
Banned
Yeah, forget about the thousands of apps people use on ipads and android. It has a web browser so it's the same thing. By that logic the PSP and DS are also tablets.
And it's awfully clunky as a tablet considering its hefty form factor and small, resistive screen.
test_account
XP-39C²
That Monster Hunter Bundle, is there any picture of the box? And what is the 37k yen price under?
I don't know in which world you live, in mine lots of gamers have a wii + a PS3/x360. You make it sound like it's two totally seperate demographics.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
I think the only thing it's really under is the 31k + 4000 + 5980 combined total for the component parts seperately.
Nice enough saving bundle, and it's the one i'll be jumping on i'd think... though i have a pro controller already, i guess a second one wouldn't do any harm.
We'd need a new PS3 game bundle i guess for something to compare it to
test_account
XP-39C²
Thanks, but it says two prices, 38,850 yen and 37,000 yen. Why two prices?
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
I believe that's part of Nintendo's strategy for sure - yes. That there's a belief that not everyone owned multiple consoles and a lot of Wii owners did not "upgrade"
I know lots of people who own all three consoles, a few who own two, and a metric ton who -only- have a wii and just didn't care for anything else after that.
You think it's the norm that Wii owners went and bought an x360/PS3?
Thanks, but it says two prices, 38,850 yen and 37,000 yen. Why two prices?
oh right - in Japan companies often show the price with and without tax. the 37,000 is without the tax.
test_account
XP-39C²
Ah ok, i see. Thanks =)
We're not toting it any where, it doesn't need to be sleek. And your definition of it not being a tablet seems to hinge on it not having tons of apps. Its not even launched yet, give it some time. By the way, what is the magic number of apps needed for it to qualify as a tablet?
Casuals probably only bought a wii (and perhaps Kinect). Most gamers who bought a wii also got another console.
I don't think gamers will look at Wii U like you do for long. I believe Nintendo has a hit in their hands, at the very least a perfect 2nd console.
H_Prestige
Banned
I can agree with this. I think PC/Wii U will be a killer combo
And you would be with a 3DS? That would say more about you than the 3DS.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
and how am i looking at the Wii U?! I'm buying one day one -twice- (US/JPN) at this point in time.
My analysis above is basically the price being the same means nothing to the Wii U. People who are going to buy the Wii U aren't going to care that the PS3 is the same price. It doesn't mean anything to them. At all.
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