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[thuway]

Lherre said that Durango is "more beast" than PS4.

The rumour mill has always suggested Sony was far behind. In fact, they are supposed to nail down specs by January and than commit. There is no way he could have known what the Orbis would have been when he said so.

The edge will go to PS4 if they don't pack in gimmicks.

 

[twinturbo2]

Honestly, backwards compatibility is going to sell me on the PS Orbis.I have a sizes or PS3 collection, and I can't be alone on this. I would love to see backwards compatibility on the Orbis, otherwise, my PS3 and Vita will fulfill my PlayStation gaming needs.

I'm assuming the Xbox Durango will have backwards compatibility with the X360, since the Durango should be using similar CPU/GPU archeticture. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

 

[KojiKnight]

Honestly, backwards compatibility is going to sell me on the PS Orbis.I have a sizes or PS3 collection, and I can't be alone on this. I would love to see backwards compatibility on the Orbis, otherwise, my PS3 and Vita will fulfill my PlayStation gaming needs.

I'm assuming the Xbox Durango will have backwards compatibility with the X360, since the Durango should be using similar CPU/GPU archeticture. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Last I heard Durango is going x86 which would make it just as unlikely to be BC unless it was sporting an extra powerPC chip on it somewhere.

 

[twinturbo2]

Last I heard Durango is going x86 which would make it just as unlikely to be BC unless it was sporting an extra powerPC chip on it somewhere.

Dang. :-(

More systems, more clutter. Guess I'll wait and see, then.

 

[thuway]

Dang. :-(

More systems, more clutter. Guess I'll wait and see, then.

What I would like to see is FORWARDS compatibility. Games like the Last of Us, Puppeteer, and Halo 4 all using the advantage of the next gen systems to render at 1080p 60 fps.

 

[KageMaru]

I don't really think anyone

Spoiler

apart from dumbass console warriors

really cares which is more powerful. We just want a big leap from the previous generation.

Agreed on all counts. That's why I don't care which is more powerful, I just want one of them to give a good bang for my buck.

Nah i did not feel insulted just saying my 2 cents on what i think going to happen .
Still you never know which is why the lead up to next gen is so much fun .

Cool and I agree the lead up is great. Makes me kinda jealous of people who can run wild with their imagination =p

Last I heard Durango is going x86 which would make it just as unlikely to be BC unless it was sporting an extra powerPC chip on it somewhere.

IIRC reading an article from one of the engineers who worked on the 360 BC, emulating the CPU is relatively easy compared to rendering the GPU (for obvious reasons). So it may still be possible, I just don't see it being high on MS' list of priorities.

 

[gatti-man]

What I would like to see is FORWARDS compatibility. Games like the Last of Us, Puppeteer, and Halo 4 all using the advantage of the next gen systems to render at 1080p 60 fps.

Yeah exactly. Gap bridgers with the newest blockbusters having higher res or extra aa/af or both with new consoles.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

The rumour mill has always suggested Sony was far behind. In fact, they are supposed to nail down specs by January and than commit. There is no way he could have known what the Orbis would have been when he said so.

The edge will go to PS4 if they don't pack in gimmicks.

It's all fluff when the aim seems to be on level playing fields.

People will speculate and throw a lot of things out there hoping they will stick.

 

[funkystudent]

The rumour mill has always suggested Sony was far behind. In fact, they are supposed to nail down specs by January and than commit. There is no way he could have known what the Orbis would have been when he said so.

The edge will go to PS4 if they don't pack in gimmicks.

I wonder what part that has to do with differences between the hardware or does the next xbox have a lead simply because it was originally targeting 2012 and as such as been in developers hands longer, has better tools right now and is closer to completion.

Next Xbox stuff sounds pretty far along right now and is probably easily the best pre release dev environment for a next gen console this far out from release while the Orbis still sounds like its still coming together.

I can guess if both systems launch around the same date next xbox versions of games might have a edge due to this but who knows how things will play out after a year or 2 and everyone has had time to fully understand each box.

 

[thuway]

I wonder what part that has to do with differences between the hardware or does the next xbox have a lead simply because it was originally targeting 2012 and as such as been in developers hands longer, has better tools right now and is closer to completion.

Next Xbox stuff sounds pretty far along right now and is probably easily the best pre release dev environment for a next gen console this far out from release while the Orbis still sounds like its still coming together.

I can guess if both systems launch around the same date next xbox versions might have a edge due to this but who knows how things will play out after a year or 2.

Microsoft documents have suggested a set-top box form factor, a Kinnect pack-in, and a 5-6X 360 jump. It isn't out of the realm of sanity to make an educated guess that Microsoft wants to make a console designed around entertainment, services, and the broad spectrum of the market.

If Sony launches without any sort of extra peripheral on day 1, the console could be priced competitively with the next Microsoft machine, and have a significant edge in performance. Does that edge in performance translate to jarring differences in games? Probably not. The first party stuff though, it will be butter.

 

[twinturbo2]

What I would like to see is FORWARDS compatibility. Games like the Last of Us, Puppeteer, and Halo 4 all using the advantage of the next gen systems to render at 1080p 60 fps.

I don't think my eyes would handle that without melting.

 

[thuway]

I don't think my eyes would handle that without melting.

It would be an incredible idea to motivate the hardcore to be there day 1.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It would be an incredible idea to motivate the hardcore to be there day 1.

Yah there's really no reason not to do this. Minimal effort on the part of devs. Would be amazing to play the last of us in 1080p 60fps and enhanced shadow maps and lighting.

 

[twinturbo2]

It would be an incredible idea to motivate the hardcore to be there day 1.

True, but it would be like a blipvert from Max Headroom. My body is not ready.

/80sreference

 

[longdi]

if no discrete gpu, ps4 is damn weak with this a10 thingy....slightly faster than wii-u and with the rate at how fast ipad is going. can it even run watch dogs at 1080p?

durango rumor to have at least a 8 core intel chip with 7870 gpu and 8gb ram. that should last.

 

[thuway]

Yah there's really no reason not to do this. Minimal effort on the part of devs. Would be amazing to play the last of us in 1080p 60fps and enhanced shadow maps and lighting.

Not to mention higher resolution textures. Better textures, anisotropic filtering, HBAO, and higher quality shadows are more important to me than 60 FPS for a survival horror title.

 

[thuway]

if no discrete gpu, ps4 is damn weak with this a10 thingy....slightly faster than wii-u and with the rate at how fast ipad is going. can it even run watch dogs at 1080p?

durango rumor to have at least a 8 core intel chip with 7870 gpu and 8gb ram. that should last.

That would be sex of a system. That is 2.56 teraflops if it's untouched. However, I find it hard to believe they could fit that into a "set top box".

 

[funkystudent]

Microsoft documents have suggested a set-top box form factor, a Kinnect pack-in, and a 5-6X 360 jump. It isn't out of the realm of sanity to make an educated guess that Microsoft wants to make a console designed around entertainment, services, and the broad spectrum of the market.

If Sony launches without any sort of extra peripheral on day 1, the console could be priced competitively with the next Microsoft machine, and have a significant edge in performance. Does that edge in performance translate to jarring differences in games? Probably not. The first party stuff though, it will be butter.

The thing about this is I think MS will try and do a 599 machine but at 400 + XBL 2 year subscription.

You can bet they will try and offset the up front price with a XBL subscription like they are now with the $99 360's.


Can sony counter that? Who knows.

 

[thehypocrite]

It would be an incredible idea to motivate the hardcore to be there day 1.

Yah there's really no reason not to do this. Minimal effort on the part of devs. Would be amazing to play the last of us in 1080p 60fps and enhanced shadow maps and lighting.

Totally disagree, a game built catering to the limitations on the PS3 won't be best showcase to sell to the hardcore/techgeeks on your new console. They need to provide exclusive and new experiences that cannot be replicated on the previous hardware. It has to be software (Games) That without a doubt are only possible in the next gen consoles.

 

[longdi]

That would be sex of a system. That is 2.56 teraflops if it's untouched. However, I find it hard to believe they could fit that into a "set top box".

vrzone has got good intel source of late, but i still dont believe ms was testing with an 8 core sb-e cpu before they switched to amd fx.

but if true, what a hell of a system still! 8gb ddr4 ram and 32gb edram on a 7870 type gpu. xenosII will not run 1ghz but at least 700-800mhz also not bad ok!

a10 apu? integrated graphics for lulz man. :`(

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Totally disagree, a game built catering to the limitations on the PS3 won't be best showcase to sell to the hardcore/techgeeks on your new console. They need to provide exclusive and new experiences that cannot be replicated on the previous hardware. It has to be software (Games) That without a doubt are only possible in the next gen consoles.

This is a captain obvious post but let's not forget the burden is also on the other 2. Luckily Sony has at least invested in arguably the best 1st party studios out of the big 3 this last gen.

 

[thuway]

Totally disagree, a game built catering to the limitations on the PS3 won't be best showcase to sell to the hardcore/techgeeks on your new console. They need to provide exclusive and new experiences that cannot be replicated on the previous hardware. It has to be software (Games) That without a doubt are only possible in the next gen consoles.

Do you realize what they do with PSP software today? In Japan God Eater 2 is marketed as "Play it in Full Quality on the Vita." Releasing one SKU which is both PS3/PS4 will motivate the hardcore to eat this shit up day fucking 1. It won't be a show piece, but Sony can tout that the PS4 can play select PS3 titles at higher quality.

 

[thehypocrite]

vrzone has got good intel source of late, but i still dont believe ms was testing with an 8 core sb-e cpu before they switched to amd fx.

but if true, what a hell of a system still! 8gb ddr4 ram and 32gb edram on a 7870 type gpu. xenosII will not run 1ghz but at least 700-800mhz also not bad ok!

a10 apu? integrated graphics for lulz man. :`(

No nitrogen cooling solution?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Totally disagree, a game built catering to the limitations on the PS3 won't be best showcase to sell to the hardcore/techgeeks on your new console. They need to provide exclusive and new experiences that cannot be replicated on the previous hardware. It has to be software (Games) That without a doubt are only possible in the next gen consoles.

I'm not saying one in place of the other....why not have both?

 

[KageMaru]

I wonder what part that has to do with differences between the hardware or does the next xbox have a lead simply because it was originally targeting 2012 and as such as been in developers hands longer, has better tools right now and is closer to completion.

Next Xbox stuff sounds pretty far along right now and is probably easily the best pre release dev environment for a next gen console this far out from release while the Orbis still sounds like its still coming together.

I can guess if both systems launch around the same date next xbox versions of games might have a edge due to this but who knows how things will play out after a year or 2 and everyone has had time to fully understand each box.

I thought the last rumor indicated Orbis was further along even considering the delay they are experienciing.

Really both should be pretty close and these newer rumors likely have more to do with hardware getting closer to final spec than any last minute changes.

Microsoft documents have suggested a set-top box form factor, a Kinnect pack-in, and a 5-6X 360 jump. It isn't out of the realm of sanity to make an educated guess that Microsoft wants to make a console designed around entertainment, services, and the broad spectrum of the market.

If Sony launches without any sort of extra peripheral on day 1, the console could be priced competitively with the next Microsoft machine, and have a significant edge in performance. Does that edge in performance translate to jarring differences in games? Probably not. The first party stuff though, it will be butter.

That powerpoint is.........eh nevermind. I think Jeff has you guys conditioned. =p

Yah there's really no reason not to do this. Minimal effort on the part of devs. Would be amazing to play the last of us in 1080p 60fps and enhanced shadow maps and lighting.

It would require a massive effort on the devs side for both the games and the system.

 

[thuway]

vrzone has got good intel source of late, but i still dont believe ms was testing with an 8 core sb-e cpu before they switched to amd fx.

but if true, what a hell of a system still! 8gb ddr4 ram and 32gb edram on a 7870 type gpu. xenosII will not run 1ghz but at least 700-800mhz also not bad ok!

a10 apu? integrated graphics for lulz man. :`([/img]

If anything, Sony will have an edge in performance if both consoles are launched in the same time frame. Sony refused to include a wired headset into the initial PS3, a move which cost them dearly.

The A10 APU will be paired with a GPU, if it isn't than, Sony might as well sit next-gen out.

 

[longdi]

If anything, Sony will have an edge in performance if both consoles are launched in the same time frame. Sony refused to include a wired headset into the initial PS3, a move which cause them dearly.

The A10 APU will be paired with a GPU, if it isn't than, Sony might as well sit next-gen out.

consider how kaz mishandled the slim v2 ps3, i am not greatly excited.

 

[KageMaru]

Do you realize what they do with PSP software today? In Japan God Eater 2 is marketed as "Play it in Full Quality on the Vita." Releasing one SKU which is both PS3/PS4 will motivate the hardcore to eat this shit up day fucking 1. It won't be a show piece, but Sony can tout that the PS4 can play select PS3 titles at higher quality.

PS3 games are FAR more complex than PSP games.

 

[thehypocrite]

This is a captain obvious post but let's not forget the burden is also on the other 2. Luckily Sony has at least invested in arguably the best 1st party studios out of the big 3 this last gen.

Agree, this is what everyone is calling Nintendo out with the Wii U and the claims are legitimate in my eyes.

Do you realize what they do with PSP software today? In Japan God Eater 2 is marketed as "Play it in Full Quality on the Vita." Releasing one SKU which is both PS3/PS4 will motivate the hardcore to eat this shit up day fucking 1. It won't be a show piece, but Sony can tout that the PS4 can play select PS3 titles at higher quality.

This is a bad example, even in Japan is cheaper to just buy a PSP if they want to experience that game, and those games with PSP/Vita SKU are selling more on the PSP. That's not the message that you want to provide to 3rd parties/consumers. You need a clear cutoff from your old hardware generation to the new one. You need to drive consumers to the new platform, the best way for a gaming company to accomplish this is with unique software not available in the old platforms.

 

[thehypocrite]

consider how kaz mishandled the slim v2 ps3, i am not greatly excited.

Not to beat on a dead horse but there's no way for any of us to know today if the Slim V2 PS3 has been mishandled. If you want to present an example you could've use the PSVita, that one is at arms length.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Weren't those Microsoft docs from 2010?

 

[onQ123]

all this power is nothing if they can't set themselves apart from the others in a way that make people feel like it's something new that they can't get anywhere else.

 

[longdi]

Not to beat on a dead horse but there's no way for any of us to know today if the Slim V2 PS3 has been mishandled. If you want to present an example you could've use the PSVita, that one is at arms length.

most if not all reviews are meh.
vita and slim v2 both mishandled much.
no money or conflicts between their engineering and management department?

 

[TheD]

IIRC reading an article from one of the engineers who worked on the 360 BC, emulating the CPU is relatively easy compared to rendering the GPU (for obvious reasons). So it may still be possible, I just don't see it being high on MS' list of priorities.

Link?

if no discrete gpu, ps4 is damn weak with this a10 thingy....slightly faster than wii-u and with the rate at how fast ipad is going. can it even run watch dogs at 1080p?

durango rumor to have at least a 8 core intel chip with 7870 gpu and 8gb ram. that should last.

No, no, no, noooooooooo.......

An 8 core Ivy Bridge or Haswell based CPU would nearly as big as the Cell (was at 90nm), is less likely to get big die shrinks and it would also use too much power.

 

[Router]

So would that mean the ps4 will be a mega-beast?

If Goku had sex with a clone of himself and the baby was trained by some form of Nuclear Powered Batman.

I'm confident with this power description.

 

[Proelite]

vrzone has got good intel source of late, but i still dont believe ms was testing with an 8 core sb-e cpu before they switched to amd fx.

but if true, what a hell of a system still! 8gb ddr4 ram and 32gb edram on a 7870 type gpu. xenosII will not run 1ghz but at least 700-800mhz also not bad ok!

a10 apu? integrated graphics for lulz man. :`(

I can't WAIT to see your reaction next year.

 

[itxaka]

Guys

Listen guys

Guys, what if

Listen me here guys

What if they use 2 apu's in the ps4

Is that as crazy as it sounds to me?

Maybe a tribute to crazy Ken?

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

consider how kaz mishandled the slim v2 ps3, i am not greatly excited.

Lolwut? Mishandled my ass. It´s all about profit margins from now on not market share.

 

[XtremeXpider]

I don't think that the MS leaked document is yet valid, it is from 2010, a lot of things have changed.

 

[Reiko]

I don't think that the MS leaked document is yet valid, it is from 2010, a lot of things have changed.

Now look at those UE4 tech demos and put 2 and 2 together. That goes for both consoles.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Now look at those UE4 tech demos and put 2 and 2 together. That goes for both consoles.

UE4 demos, Square-Enix demos, SW1313, Watch Dogs, people from Crytek talking about 8GB...

I guess that games as Watchs Dogs and SW 1313 need to be multiplatform, they are big budget projects.

 

[KageMaru]

Link?

Realize you're asking me to dig up a link from something I read possibly 6+ years ago =p

I'm going to bed soon, but if this thread is still alive tomorrow, I'll see what I could find.

Edit: just realized an error in that post of mine. Meant emulating the GPU, not rendering.

If Goku had sex with a clone of himself and the baby was trained by some form of Nuclear Powered Batman.

I'm confident with this power description.

lmao I love it.

Lolwut? Mishandled my ass. It´s all about profit margins from now on not market share.

Yeah, they handled the psv development much better IMO. It's marketing that's the issue, not the hardware development.

 

[longdi]

Lolwut? Mishandled my ass. It´s all about profit margins from now on not market share.

why cant they do both? v2 ps3 slim is the rocks. such a wasted opportunity to let loose the beast against the wii-u and 360 during the xmas seasons. but no, kaz let lose one ugly loser box.

 

[Canis lupus]

Honestly, backwards compatibility is going to sell me on the PS Orbis.I have a sizes or PS3 collection, and I can't be alone on this. I would love to see backwards compatibility on the Orbis, otherwise, my PS3 and Vita will fulfill my PlayStation gaming needs.

I'm assuming the Xbox Durango will have backwards compatibility with the X360, since the Durango should be using similar CPU/GPU archeticture. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

I want BC with PS2 and Xbox1, more so with the Xbox1, the BC in 360 is shit, I have so many OG xbox games I can't play on it or have nasty glitches.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

I don't think that the MS leaked document is yet valid, it is from 2010, a lot of things have changed.

that's why I brought up the document date a few posts above yours.

There was the dude earlier this year, with the name Albert or something like that on here that stated that Microsoft gave in to what developers wanted during that situation with the crytek dev that was fired for posting on twitter about hte Microsoft/crytek meeting in London or something lol.

Sorry for the lack of details, I only remember them vaguely.

 

[sleepykyo]

If anything, Sony will have an edge in performance if both consoles are launched in the same time frame. Sony refused to include a wired headset into the initial PS3, a move which cost them dearly.

The A10 APU will be paired with a GPU, if it isn't than, Sony might as well sit next-gen out.

How would that be the case? The MS slides are presumably outdated if they ever were valid and Microsoft is far better off in ability subsidize their platform.

-Better shape financially
-2yr XBL plan contract to knock a hundred off msrp

 

[Duckhuntdog]

The A10 APU will be paired with a GPU, if it isn't than, Sony might as well sit next-gen out.

No it doesn't. Sony doesn't have to pair the A10 with a GPU if it doesn't want or feel the need to. The rumor didn't mention a GPU, which would be somewhat of huge thing to not mention or at least try and figure out.

I am going to side with Whispple and others that managed to nail down the Wii U and say so far it looks to be strictly and APU.

Sides it's an AMD, which I have in my PC, and they aren't known for their power. So keep your expectations low, and IF there is a GPU announced, then it's time to get excited.

 

[XtremeXpider]

that's why I brought up the document date a few posts above yours.

There was the dude earlier this year, with the name Albert or something like that on here that stated that Microsoft gave in to what developers wanted during that situation with the crytek dev that was fired for posting on twitter about hte Microsoft/crytek meeting in London or something lol.

Sorry for the lack of details, I only remember them vaguely.

We don't know the exactly year of the document but they called Wii U as Wii2, Wii U was known until E3 2011.

2010 is the year MS launched Kinect.

 

[Gorillaz]

Truth is i think PS4 will have the edge but that is because i don't see them adding anything else other than a normal controller or using as much power for extra features compare to what MS has plan .
Not like it going to matter since they should be close to each other .

Which means it will come down to the timing of first party releases and price. With the way GG has been quiet it looks likey they might be the first "major" devs up on ps4

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

We don't know the exactly year of the document but they called Wii U as Wii2, Wii U was known until E3 2011.

2010 is the year MS launched Kinect.

the document was from 2010. around august or september.