Brad Grenz
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No it didn't. Like, not even close. We can talk as much as we want about how much better Intel's CPU tech is than AMD, but in no way are Intel's integrated GPUs competitive with the A10's.
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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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No it didn't. Like, not even close. We can talk as much as we want about how much better Intel's CPU tech is than AMD, but in no way are Intel's integrated GPUs competitive with the A10's.
KojiKnight
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I read it as his i5 laptop happened to have a better IGP on the mobo (as in a discrete AMD or Nvidia card) than the A10... which is possible, but at that point it renders the comparison moot.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Lol, i think were basically agreeing with each other, just coming at it from different angles..
KojiKnight
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Lol, i think were basically agreeing with each other, just coming at it from different angles..
<_< Likely -coughs-.
How many TF does the wiiu's card have anyway?
Oh nevermind, I read the bench wrong. It was comparing CPUs with IG paired with discrete graphics.
Death Dealer
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If PS4 stays around the previously rumored 1.8TF region, I think Wii-U can expect to get downports. But if it arrives on 20nm with a 3 TF discreet GPU or SoC with that much graphic power, with regard to third party games, next gen will be repeat of this one.
jeff_rigby
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At 20nm there would be less heat, this is why AMD targeted 20nm for the start of 3D stacking. Low power Jaguar CPUs and multiple power/temp management circuits for the same reason. All this is needed if you have handhelds in mind but it also allows you to create a cooler running SoC that could have more GPU packed into it for a Console.
Then again I could be wrong and there will be a APU + GPU at 28nm.
Oooooh, he thought I was being a Wii U fanboy feverishly hoping for underpowered MS and Sony console.
Nah, I was just making a point based on how far I've been keeping up with rumors.
jeff_rigby
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AMD Start Now is probably the 16 gig nand Flash mentioned as being in the PS4.
http://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psx-sense.nl%2F89207%2Fexclusief-talloze-informatie-over-de-playstation-4-inclusief-specificaties%2F said:
that's a PC where games are not made for that high amount of ram with a console with 8GB of ram the devs can make the game around the console having that high amount of ram & not worry about it not working with the consoles without 8GB of ram.
when there is a PC game with 12GB of ram & 3GB - 4GB of Vram required than we will be looking at what can be done on a console with 8GB of ram.
just remember Crysis couldn't be played on a PC with only 512MB of total ram & if it could it wouldn't look as good as it does on the Xbox 360 & PS3
Insane Metal
Gold Member
AMD? :|
About the 8 or 16GB, remember that devkits usually have better specs than the system itself. That is normal.
If the final system comes with 4GB of RAM I'll be happy.
About the 8 or 16GB, remember that devkits usually have better specs than the system itself. That is normal.
If the final system comes with 4GB of RAM I'll be happy.
Something tells me we will get more then that, but how much of it is going to be used for games, remains to be seen
Question is: How much of that will actually be used for game development? Also, would the part reserved for OS be locked or can in future, more optimised and memory efficient OS reduce the memory footprint akin to PS3?
Don't hold your breath. Total system output may be 3TF at most but GPU alone.... we can have a friendly bet on it. I say the the total AMD TeraFlop (more than nVidia tf) will around 2 at most.
Reckon we'd see the same problem with memory bus width next gen? Or will it be 256 bit if not higher?
I think most of you in here are way off base when it comes to PS4 specs. It will be much more powerful than you think..
The specs you guys are talking about in here, there is no future in it! Remember the with PS3 they took a top of the line GPU at the time (that would be a top of the line GPU in about a year) and customized it.
It wouldnt even make sense it where launching now. How do you think these specs look in a year? A mid range PC CPU/GPU would blow it out of the water, and this is supposed to be in the marketplace for 5-7 more years??
The specs you guys are talking about in here, there is no future in it! Remember the with PS3 they took a top of the line GPU at the time (that would be a top of the line GPU in about a year) and customized it.
It wouldnt even make sense it where launching now. How do you think these specs look in a year? A mid range PC CPU/GPU would blow it out of the water, and this is supposed to be in the marketplace for 5-7 more years??
I think we will not see the same problems. Stacking memory is one possibillity?? The other is with things like the Rambus TB initiative. (Dont know if Sony is involved, but very well could be)
http://www.rambus.com/us/technology/innovations/tbi/index.html
+1 for RISC
Except iirc RAMBUS are responsible for XDR RAM and most discussions about RAM here are either about DDR4 or GDDR5. But yea, stacking is being seen a possible solution. I can understand if it's SoC then the bus width would be immense but if it is indeed a discrete GPU integrated separately on the board, would the same rules apply? As in, will it not be the same as it was in PS3?
professor_t
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A thought the PS3 GPU wasn't exactly cutting edge, even for its time? And, even if it was top of the line, your reasoning doesn't necessarily hold up -- having the most powerful console doesn't necessarily lead to better sales, so console makers might be transitioning to something a little more modest that loses less money out of the gate.
XtremeXpider
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WTF? 12GB for dev tools? I don't think so.
Hmmm...could they stack graphics ram on a reasonably powerful dedicated GPU? (something like the embedded ram in PS2, stacked instead?) Maybe use some kind of Rambus/FlexIO innovations on main memory and APU <->GPU?
I dont know enough about this to really say to be honest. I may be way off on this.
Or...4GB for dev tools. Depending on which part of the rumour is correct or more reflective of final spec (i.e. it says '8 or 16' is in the dev kits).
Lazy Devs want the devkits to do all the work 12GB is needed for the brain power.
Its one thing to not have the most powerful console, but this is just to weak in my opinion.
The PS3 GPU was seriously nerfed by bus bandwith..it has the same amount of transistors as the 7800gtx (300 million)
XtremeXpider
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Even 4GB is a lot.
phosphor112
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Hmm, that's actually a new video. New to me at least.. I went to their website about.. 3-4 months ago.
I don't see how people are saying that Orbis must be coming out in 2014 since the final dev kits won't be out until next summer. That makes little sense when taken with regards to the WiiU and just last month weren't devs saying "I have no idea how the online infrastructure works on the WiiU". There is plenty of time for it to come out next fall (which is what I expect). That in turn will lead to a higher demand because they won't be able to make enough to satiate the hoard of consumers that buy day 1.
Seeing how ZOE2 is choking on PCs at 720p I find that hard to believe.
Wut?i was looking into the potential gap among the next consoles that's all.
yeah it will come out next fall, developers are developing on PCs now and will port games to PS4/720. This is why huge leap should not be expected day1 aka first year and a half. Although there is always that one first party game that makes your eyes scream of how amazing it looks.
I don't think you understand the concept of emulation. BSNES needs at least 2 GHz to run well, does that mean that the SNES was 20 years ahead of its time?
Death Dealer
Member
I read his post and was ROFL.
BlackJace, have no idea why you thought that. I was just discussing what it could mean if Orbis is more beastly than some expect. Honestly more than I expect. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it comes with anything more than Pitcairn performance in a lower power 88xx design. One thing I know for sure, a single off the shelf A10 won't be enough. It needs a discrete GPU or a hybrid APU with A10 logic with a beefy integrated Sea Islands based GPU.
Tarin02543
Member
For some reason I haven't been interested one bit in ps4/xbox720 news but these AMD APU rumors seem legit and interesting.
I want my ps4 to be more xbox360 and less ps3 so this is good news for everyone.
Bring on the next generation!
I want my ps4 to be more xbox360 and less ps3 so this is good news for everyone.
Bring on the next generation!
No but it also means some effects aren't so easily feasible even for a standard pc.
What specifically do you want the ps4 to have in common with the 360?
More ads in the OS!
(Sony is already starting with that fucking Singstar integration :/)
Unfortunately will be.
What the hell are you talking about?
Dawnguard. (tiajtdsoagp)
XtremeXpider
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How was Xenos compared to 2005 GPUs?
I know what you mean. But the basic design of ZOE2's programming wasn't meant for conventional PC gaming. The bandwidth is insane when blown up to HD.
At 8GB, Bethseda's framerate crippling glitchbug would be a thing of the past. If any series is in desperate need of RAM it's that one.
JordanN
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Better architecture (unified shaders) but overall weaker horsepower (2 GeForce 7800 GT's in SLI).
I think it surpassed pretty much every gpu on the market when it launched plus it had some revolutionary design aspects like it's unified shaders architecture which later went on to become a norm among modern gpus.
TheGreyHulk
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It's a REAL TIME tech demo running on a GTX 680. It's indeed possible effects wise. Animations might be different though, but in terms of the realistic lighting, particle effects, and geometry, YES... it IS possible next gen because it's possible on current gen PC tech.
Note that i said it's POSSIBLE, not that it's going to happen because it all depends on what's in the next gen for the GPU (which is how all of this magic is possible). If they have a GPU that's the equivalent of a GTX 670&680 or Radeon HD7970, then it will happen for sure. They will also need a TON of ram on the console to compliment it. 8GB is a must for next gen IMO.
We have to remember that many games today are limited in design due to the low amount of ram they're designing their games on. They're working with less that 512mb people. That's a much bigger hindrance than the GPU or CPU currently in the consoles.
Why would MS use a Direct X 11 card and not a Direct X 11.1 card? This makes no sense to me.
The 6970 is probably target power spec. They will use whatever 8XXX series card fits into the performance cap of the 6970.