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Former Square CEO on Twitter "Merger with Enix a failure"
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Except SE is investing even MORE money into XIV. In order for XIV to make up for the lost money and recover from this is insane. XIV is trying to revive a dead horse essentially.
I think so!
Omegasquash
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Pity...I liked Enix. Still do.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
I imagine DQX will keep them afloat for quite a while.
But then there's still the perception it takes them ages to release things. They are sitting on a game that was announced 6 years ago after all. Not to mention FFXII and XIII took a while to come out as well.
And you're right, the Lightning recycling is doing nothing but damaging the brand even further outside of the relatively small group that will still buy her latest game.
At this stage I rather let square die in its former glory than just shell of its former self. It's goddamn painful to see your most favorite company become absolutely worthless shit.
It was sakaguchi that brought Square to its doom, so he better get the fuck out from square.
So he was the one that put Squaresoft in that position to begin with?
Who's everyone else? Aren't all the important people fans love still there with the exception of Sakaguchi, Uematsu, and that dude who did the story for FFT?
Those who left to form Monolith Soft...
That dude who did the story for FFT had his hands in a lot of things such as FFT, Tactics Ogre, FF12, Vagrant Story..
I miss them putting out games like Radiata stories and where is Valkyrie Profile? Hopefully once FFXIV is out and done they can focus resources elsewhere (probably FF-Versus) they can move on. Sad thing is I wouldn't be surprised is Versus sucks up huge resources once FFXIV comes out.
I'd like to see a nice HD version of a game like this that isn't on handheld.
Granted his movie killed them, there is nothing Square has released since then that even comes close to the games he made with them imo.
I'd like to see a nice HD version of a game like this that isn't on handheld.
Granted his movie killed them, there is nothing Square has released since then that even comes close to the games he made with them imo.
shira
Member
Yeah, because they certainly havent released any games worth playing in the decade or so since the merger. Nostalgia - its a hell of a drug.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Handhelds are the future IMO.
Only people I support at Square are Tabata and Ito.
Possibly Nomura, but not by much.
As always, FF must have GILGAMESH in the game itself and not as DLC to gain my interest.
IMO a FFXV doesn't exist and is merely fan speculation.
Monolith is awesome btw.
Only people I support at Square are Tabata and Ito.
Possibly Nomura, but not by much.
As always, FF must have GILGAMESH in the game itself and not as DLC to gain my interest.
IMO a FFXV doesn't exist and is merely fan speculation.
Monolith is awesome btw.
Valkyria Profile and Radiata Stories weren't in-house anyway. They're both tri-Ace. Enix outsources a lot compared to the Square-side.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's clear that it fucked up their corporate culture somehow .... You can pretty much draw a line at the merger... Bad games were an anomaly before it, good games are an anomaly after it.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
VP3 is long overdue.
Glass Rebel
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Your pain over seeing a company not going the way you want it to > countless jobs being lost?
tri-Ace is too busy doing grunt work on Lightning spin-offs.
That doesn't seem like many people...
Enix outsourced pretty much EVERYTHING, except maybe some creative involvement (i.e. Horii's involvement on the Dragon Quest series). They were never a company with any meaningful in-house development, but mostly a publisher, even Dragon Quest's development has been outsourced from the start, AFAIK.
Jailer of Hope
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They've been charging a subscription for a while to recuperate losses as much as possible. If I'm not mistaken, the fees generated were somewhat moderate especially before the big relaunch. Not enough to completely recuperate losses, but before 2.0, that isn't really the goal at the moment.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
You mean mistwalker?
Nomura is at least 50% of the problem.
Sakaguchi went to Mistwalker. Not Monolith.
Neko Mimi Mode
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I was at Distant Worlds at the weekend there. When Arnie Roth announced they were going to do some tracks from XIII I could literally hear the groans from a crowd that would have cheered if he cleared his throat before.
What a strange situation SE are in at present. Perennially existing on the crest of a nostalgia wave ridden by the nucleus of die-hard fans that remember the glory days, completely unable or unwilling to move beyond their recent failures or even admit they made them.
The Final Fantasy brand is stagnant and increasingly irrelevant to the mainstream masses. Excellent IPs like Valkyrie Profile and Radiata Stories are neglected in favor of DQ Online and quick-buck mobile games. Versus and all the talent involved with it are shoehorned in favor of stemming the hemorrhaging money from XIV or ensuring we all like Lightning, whether we want to or not.
This is a company that, worse than running out of money, is fast running out of good ideas.
What a strange situation SE are in at present. Perennially existing on the crest of a nostalgia wave ridden by the nucleus of die-hard fans that remember the glory days, completely unable or unwilling to move beyond their recent failures or even admit they made them.
The Final Fantasy brand is stagnant and increasingly irrelevant to the mainstream masses. Excellent IPs like Valkyrie Profile and Radiata Stories are neglected in favor of DQ Online and quick-buck mobile games. Versus and all the talent involved with it are shoehorned in favor of stemming the hemorrhaging money from XIV or ensuring we all like Lightning, whether we want to or not.
This is a company that, worse than running out of money, is fast running out of good ideas.
This...makes no sense.
This guy are sick.
I think after the election everyone's got political allegories on their mind.
Yeah, if it weren't for Spirits Within this probably wouldn't be the case, or at least post-merger would probably be different. It's also worth remembering that the Enix was mainly just a publisher with no or next to no internal development: it's more like Squaresoft became Enix's internal developer rather than two development houses coming together. Also makes something like Sleeping Dogs closer to an "Enix" game than even Dragon Quest X.
Sorry, Mistwalker. Clearly I'm in no place to even give an opinion after an all-nighter of playing Halo 4. I'm still recovering from that. xD
Fuck you. Nomura is one of the best things at Square Enix & in JRPG gaming altogether. He's the one who pushes for projects like The World Ends With You and gave Osaka Team a chance with Kingdom Hearts ReCoM & BBS, turning them from a team that was probably going to be shut down into one of the best things they've got going on, atm.
Riposte
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The Last Remnant is already better than every single game 'Gooch has ever made, Squaresoft or Mistwalker.
Clear
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Hix said:
Think you're exaggerating there somewhat. XIII actually sold well, and although XIII-2 underperformed it was a cheap (by FF standards) production that was knocked together pretty damn quick. Add in revenue from the DLC packs and I suspect it made a tidy profit, which is why a second sequel is in development.
And more than anything else, what other JRPG's are setting the HD console charts on fire? Its hardly a case of it being overtaken by its competition.
The Horror the horror
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The problem with SquareEnix isn't the quality of their games or their release schedule; I think it's that they don't create enough of those quality of games. Give us more!
RSLAEV
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The Last Remnant sold exactly as much as it deserved to. A mediocre story and an obtuse battle system that should have died with the Saga series.
Haha you know Riposte we never agree on anything on this board it's quite funny. As for Last Remnant though the story is good, characters are good but the combat system in the game is probably one of the worst for me in recent memory. It is overly complicated and unnecessary if anything they should have pulled a Suikoden considering all the characters you can aquire through the guild stuff.
me too
Yes it made profit, but I think he was referring to the brand name.
XIII-2 sold a lot less because a lot of people were disappointed in XIII.
A 2nd sequel was already decided when they made XIII-2, not because people bought the DLC.
Riposte
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I've never seen someone compliment the story and bash the combat system of The Last Remnant in the same breath before.
EDIT: I only praise the PC version, in any case. The 360 one had silly limitations and flaws and just should not be played when the PC version exists.
Okay? I don't particularly care how much it sold.
H_Prestige
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Damn
leesmapman
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How prophetic:
Square just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase FFXIII for either system, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.
Square, publicly apologize and cancel FFXIII Versus for 360 or you can kiss your business goodbye.
Square just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase FFXIII for either system, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.
Square, publicly apologize and cancel FFXIII Versus for 360 or you can kiss your business goodbye.
Squaresoft understood the people who supported their products, was well aware of what kept everyone coming back, etc. People were loyal or at the very least respected them as a gaming juggarnaut.
Square-Enix tried really hard for many years to continue to meet those needs but have consistently failed to deliver and often leave the fanbase feeling split when it comes to what they like/don't like and want/don't want. They do not know how to react to changing trends in the industry without completely missing the plot.
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