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Bayonetta 2 - WiiU (Director: Yusuke Hashimoto, Pub: Nintendo, Supervision:Kamiya)
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Apples, meet oranges.
FlashbladeGAF
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so does anybody feel like this is a pretty pointless game on the wiiu?
it didnt sell much on 360 or ps3 (well i think at least in japan it was an okay success on ps3) but on wiiu its probably gonna bomb even harder as the audience the wiiu caters too is either the hardcore nintendo crowd, kids or the people GAF loves so much and calls casuals.. none of those people really will be compelled to buy the game. nintendo crowd doesnt really care about games that are not nintendo, kids will not be able to (half naked woman with hairy clothes will not go through parental controls) and casuals will not even notice.
so the only people that will be remotely interested in this are the so called "hardcore" gamer which will not buy a wiiu for this and already seem to have written the wii u off after the reveal that cod blops 2 has worse framerate then on 360
i think nintendo could probably make another wii__ game that might blow off like wii sports resort or at least sell more then bayonetta 1 did with the money they will invest in the development and publishing of this. I really think its donating money to platinum which they should not do.
it didnt sell much on 360 or ps3 (well i think at least in japan it was an okay success on ps3) but on wiiu its probably gonna bomb even harder as the audience the wiiu caters too is either the hardcore nintendo crowd, kids or the people GAF loves so much and calls casuals.. none of those people really will be compelled to buy the game. nintendo crowd doesnt really care about games that are not nintendo, kids will not be able to (half naked woman with hairy clothes will not go through parental controls) and casuals will not even notice.
so the only people that will be remotely interested in this are the so called "hardcore" gamer which will not buy a wiiu for this and already seem to have written the wii u off after the reveal that cod blops 2 has worse framerate then on 360
i think nintendo could probably make another wii__ game that might blow off like wii sports resort or at least sell more then bayonetta 1 did with the money they will invest in the development and publishing of this. I really think its donating money to platinum which they should not do.
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Retro_
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Well
at least it's not a post linking to a Kamiya tweet this time
at least it's not a post linking to a Kamiya tweet this time
Anticitizen One
Banned
I'm so happy exclusives are coming back in vogue. I hated this communist multiplatform shit where all the games run and play mediocre across several platforms. Exclusives were great because they could optimize the game for each system and gave each platform unique gameplay experiences.
yeah but this one makes no business sense at all imho... nintendo really should reconsider backing platinum on this
also didnt this start as a 360/ps3 multiplat
it will probably just be a quick dirty port with nintendo providing some money for publishing and porting it over... i wouldnt count on optimization.
unique gameplay experience... well yeah that one probably is guaranteed
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well that bump was completely useless. I want a date!
what
Freezie KO
Banned
The only way you foster change is to support games like this. If you want people to take your platform seriously as a place for third-party games, then you need exclusives and titles that people want to play.
In a way, this is a prestige project. Many movie studios put out prestige pictures that garner them attention and respect while garbage like Batman and Spiderman make the real money. If they make money off this one game, great. If not, it's part of a broader strategy to define the platform and the type of games available for it.
And I also disagree. Everyone should donate to Platinum Games.
Yes, because the so called 'hardcore' crowd just ate up Japanese games this last gen, didn't they?
Oddball games like Bayonetta and Wonderful 101 are more likely to succeed on a Nintendo platform as they are generally more open to newer, more original experiances. Could do ok on PC too, so it's a shame they aren't being released there.
Box of Bunnies
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Next week... in game magazines.
chertipros
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That's alot of generalizations and assumptions there. EDIT: To elaborate, For one thing, I think nintendo platforms is the most likely place for a game like this to sell, because there is little competition on the platform for this game unlike the ps360 and if nintendo decides to advertise this game to their fans, their fans will buy it.
Do you really think Nintendo's going to publish a Wii U exclusive that's not optimized for Wii U? Really? That's a thing you think is going to happen?
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Retro_
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I think you mean business sense
i think its counter productive
nintendo wants to sell their games primarily and want to sell their hardware secondarily. third party titles sales or third party support is a tertiary goal at best.
i would agree that donations to platinum games was a good idea if they were for charity. but as a matter of fact they are a business/company. donating them money for free will not help them in surviving in the long run
ShockingAlberto
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Someone's trying to insist Bayonetta 2 shouldn't exist?
YOU SHOULDN'T EXIST.
YOU SHOULDN'T EXIST.
Nintendo knows it will bomb. They most likely don't give a fuck about sales and I think are happy they have it in their library. This will be my Game of the Forever when it releases so I have no complaints here.
cosmicblizzard
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It's farnham.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Why are people including Wonderful 101? That is a Nintendo IP.
cosmicblizzard
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Only a matter of time before Bayonetta is as well.
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Retro_
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Am I the only one who expects Bayonetta 2 to do reasonably well for itself?
Especially in Japan
Especially in Japan
in japan it might do okay... ps3 version sold respectively there
still an oddball release that makes little sense
supporting sega to publish soccer tsuku wiiu would make much more sense imho
I expect it to sell just as much as Bayonetta 1 which is on two platforms.
Maybe they're trying to build a broad userbase full of casuals and hardcore alike? Titles like Bayo 2 will help in this, whether or not it makes money is just a secondary goal in this case.
Makes little sense? It fits perfectly with what Nintendo are trying to do with the Wii U. Publishing that Sega football game makes no sense in their view considering the audience it caters to is most likely kids who are already likely to pick up a Wii U.
You do not seem to understand that the money "thrown at Platinum" does not come from the same budget that goes into developing "Wii Sports"-likes.
That budget is called "internal gimme-the-next-crowd-pleaser", while this one is called "win-the-hardcore-back". The latter budget is obviously MUCH smaller than the former, but it is still a valid way to build up a console.
Suggesting that it is charity is laughable, sorry. Bayonetta 2 will most likely be profitable. SEGA is incompetent on many levels, that is why simply profitable would not be good enough for them.
Tell me about it. Posts suggesting that Nintendo should not be charitable towards Platinum is nightmare fuel alone, but as a bump...double effect
cosmicblizzard
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It's hard to gauge. All the attention it's gotten from the exclusive news could be beneficial and elevate it above the original, but we've learned quite a few times that internet hype does not translate to real world sales. It might take a few more entries as well before it really enters "killer app" tier in terms of sales if ever.
H3rTz DoNuT
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I'm so happy that Platinum Games is on the WiiU train, extremely excited for Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2. I also hope that Grasshopper will jump on WiiU train as well. Those two studios alone would sell me on any console lol
LongDongJunon
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par for the course
Spieler Eins
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Yet, someone like Suda could mark his biggest success (well, until maybe Lolipop Chainsaw just recently) on the Wii, although No More Heroes would have also been a game that would completely alienate the consoles audience by your logic?
I don't see how this game couldn't sell at least as much as its predecessor. Nowadays, such wacky software doesn't have definite a home, the 360s mainstream is equally crowded with casuals that couldn't care less about anything beyond Call of Duty and maybe some sports title every now and then.
This should have at least been a weekly Twitter bump, that could have been slightly amusing
at the end of the day its all money from nintendos warchest
But that is still not how businesses operate.
Freezie KO
Banned
Yes, third-support is lower down the list, but that doesn't mean they want to completely abandon it. They're trying to improve on that end.
First off, you say Nintendo wants to sell "their" games. Well, Nintendo is publishing this title. Second you say Nintendo wants to sell their hardware. A large pool of third-party titles contributes to that.
The prestige factor contributes to hardware sales also. For gamers, a title like Bayonetta 2 becomes ammunition in List Wars. Nintendo (and all platform holders) know this. It's why Sony funded Shadow of the Colossus and those quirky downloadable art games. It's not because they're as profitable as Halo or Mario.
Many companies do moves that aren't immediately profitable. Hell, Sony and MS's entire hardware business is based on this. Paying for CoD timed exclusivity has solidified XBox as the home for that franchise also.
Yes, this won't likely make money in the short term, but it's an investment for the health of the platform.
Well you have to spend money to make money.
Yeah but it's farnham.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
What a horrible bump... but it lived up this threads legacy.
farnham's just mad no one wanted to revive him like Nintendo did Bayonetta 2.
polyh3dron
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This is a bad bump and you should feel bad.
IrishNinja
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so does anybody feel like this is a pretty pointless bump? "companies shouldn't secure games for hardware i dont have because (x)", its like trying to repackage the last 67 pages of garbage, but LTTP
it's been out for less than a week, why don't we let some time pass before saying dumb things and crying about stuff like 3 months late
it's been out for less than a week, why don't we let some time pass before saying dumb things and crying about stuff like 3 months late
yes nintendo is publishing this title but at the end of the day platinum is a third party and will probably not develop for wiiu mainly but rather for the next xbox or ps (given they have the money or get moneyhatted) so its not really a first game.
also nintendos hardware will not sell on third party software. sure the occasional monster hunter or dragon quest might help but at the end of the day its nintendo games that drive hardware and nintendo wants that because they make double the money off this model (hardware and software).
and isnt nintendo themselves perfectly capable in making quirky games like tingle rupee land, mother 3 or art style orbiant (to name some)?
psst.. there are plenty of similar games on other platforms.
IrishNinja
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only thing i know is that i DONT WANT an XBOX but i WANT halo 4
guess i dont really want the halos
jesus christ please stop
Like Bayonetta 1! And... ehrm.... Devil May Cry HD Collection?
im getting the wiiu anyways
im just puzzled at the business decision here
its so out of place and un-nintendolike
i mean next time they will support leaf to bring out white album 3 and nippon ichi to develop disgea 5 on wiiu *shudders*
You really do not understand how this works, right?
Because if you would, someone who loves things like Bayonetta most likely already played through all of them.
Bayonetta 2 does not go against DMC HD Collection, and it also wont go up against DmC. The only thing will be MG:Rising, but they are spaced out just fine.
(I am also someone who wants a Wii U solely for Bayonetta 2, because it is a killer app for any console, anytime.)
Freezie KO
Banned
I'm unsure what studies you're basing this on. All hardware seems to amass libraries of content. When that content reaches a breaking point for a certain consumer at the right price, that's what the consumer buys in.
I don't see why Bayonetta and Wonderful 101 would be any different in this regard. There's nothing mystical about Nintendo platforms that says they sell only on the strength of first parties. If there's a library of third party games that people want, they'll buy the hardware to play them.
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