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Metro Last Light dev: 'Wii U has horrible, slow CPU' [Up: DICE dev comments]
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No, you're right. However it'll be amusing for him or people like him crying about conspiracy theories, clueless/lazy devs, and other silly claims when 3rd party support suffers on the Wii-U.
I wish Nintendo all the success in the world as a company I've grown up with as a gamer. However I'll surely be laughing at the comments made by their delusional fanbase, but I guess I do the same for the other two camps as well.
Edit:
Until some people get a grip on reality, I think it still has a purpose.
Seriously?
Yeah, it was a thread made not too long ago about the power of the last gen systems IIRC. I'll try to search for it when I have time if you like.
XtremeXpider
Member
NV2A was a monster.
When did I say that? Lol, all I said the Xbox was a little bit more powerful then the GameCube.
I never ever said the Xbox GPU was 3x more powerful.
Well, the best looking games on both systems were pretty comparable graphics wise, so i'm not sure what devs were doing with that extra power.
We obviously don't have the library yet and I've read the power threads, but for features and performance, I do think the WiiU is on par with the 360 and PS3.
But this is not good.
The WiiU should be a helluva lot better right now and is destined to be obsolete as soon as another console is released. Plus with underpowered hardware again it sure seems like it's going to be another generation of crappy third party support.
Nintendo's "best console" window is going to be pretty damn short. I have no interest and can wait for a real next gen console.
Yeah, I found the quote. This is why I laugh when people say they were close.
You're right, you didn't say it, but you're still wrong here.
Also, read my post again, I said a developer said it was 3x faster, not you.
They weren't pretty comparable though, that's the thing. Games looked great on the GC, no doubt, but weren't as technically advanced as a high end xbox game.
I'm wrong for saying something I didn't say? Ok then.
I think his point is that you claimed the XBOX was only "a little" more powerful than the GC. In response to this, a developer said, no, it's not "a little" more powerful than the GC, but rather the XBOX has a GPU that is 3x more powerful. Thus, it's incorrect to say that the GC was basically equivalent in power to an XBOX.
But I don't understand I said the GameCube is almost as powerful as the Xbox but I never said it was 3x, I didn't say anything about it, all I said was "The GameCube was more powerful the the PS2 and almost as powerful as the Xbox" and "Xbox is a little bit more powerful then the GameCube" I didn't mean literally on par or anything, and even if I am wrong I didn't know anything about a developer quote so I can't be blamed for something that I didn't know about.
The original post by KageMaru really confused me.
Anyway I'm out of this thread.
No one said that you said it was 3x.
So the likes of Rogue Squadron, F-Zero, Metroid Prime Echoes and Star Fox Adventures aren't graphically comparable to the best looking Xbox games? Come on, they easily are. And i think 3 of those are at 60fps too.
The point is that you're wrong to say the GC was almost as powerful as the Xbox. If what the previous poster wrote is true, the Xbox had a GPU that was 3x more powerful than the GPU in the GC. Nobody is saying you think the GC was 3x more powerful than the Xbox. The poster is saying you're wrong to assert that the GC is almost as powerful as the Xbox because it wasn't almost as powerful.
I'm sorry for thinking the GameCube was almost as powerful as the Xbox, I just said that by the games I saw between the GameCube and Xbox.
Yeah I don't understand why we are talking about this, people shouldn't really care If I think the GameCube was almost as powerful then the Xbox, it's been 10 years since then lol.
Next time I'll just say "The GameCube was closer to the Xbox then the PS2 was"
He didn't say that though, he's not talking about how they look, rather how technically advanced they were. While the best looking GC games were comparable to the best looking Xbox games, it was obvious that the Xbox games which pushed the system were better looking and pushing more advanced effects than those found on the GC, like Splinter Cell or Riddick.
Despite what that developer says, in the real world the GameCube was competitive with Xbox. Metal Arms - a game that was developed for the Xbox and then ported to the GameCube. Actually ran better on the GameCube. Apart from maybe Splinter Cell and Wreckless most multi platform games on the GameCube held up. Others like Sonic Heroes ran better on GameCube.
GameCube exclusives like Metroid Prime, RE4 and Rogue Leader out classed everything on Xbox.
XtremeXpider
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LOL, some people need to play some of the better Xbox games, Xbox even had HD games (720p).
Two 60fps xbox games (dolby digital ingame, 480p):
Two 60fps xbox games (dolby digital ingame, 480p):
What about my original post confused you? I thought it was written well enough to be easily understood.
I think they are great looking games, but not up to the best on the xbox. You can't just look at graphics at face value. You have to consider the complexity of the game or individual scenes along with what's being rendered on the TV.
We're talking about it because you made your original incorrect comment.
"Despite what the person who knows more than me says..." <- that's what your post starts off with and that is the same mistake many people have made in this very thread.
Also the vast vast majority of multi-platform titles were ps2 ports, what kind of metric is that to go by? It's no coincidence that the two exceptions you made were designed for the xbox and not the ps2. I don't even remember anything about Metal Arms other than the best version was supposed to be the xbox version. I'd have to see proof to think otherwise and not just the word of someone on a forum who seems to have a devotion to one of these companies.
I want to ask how? However this is going way off topic over some people getting overly defensive over a 10 year old subject. So if you care to support this in PM, by all means. How do they outclass everything else in scope, complexity, effects, etc?
This was confusing "Weren't you the one who tried to make this claim before just for a developer to come out and say the GPU in the xbox was ~3 times faster? " It sounds like your saying I said this before.
About the "GameCube almost as powerful then the Xbox"? Yeah, I still think the GameCube was almost as powerful then the Xbox since the Xbox didn't blow the GameCube away in anyway, but that's my opinion.
And no offensive or anything but most of us don't really care about me saying "The GameCube was almost as powerful as the Xbox"
onken
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lol dude that Ninja Gaiden pic is such a bullshot it's not even funny.
It doesn't even need to be a bullshot... The graphics were still ridiculous.
A piece of shit game...
But above Gamecube graphically.
XtremeXpider
Member
Changed it. But the game is really awesome, one of the best from last gen. It looks better than any GC game (IMO). I really miss itagaki
Changed it. But the game is really awesome, one of the best from last gen. It looks better than any GC game (IMO). I really miss itagaki
Once that fire dragon showed up I knew Team Ninja wasn't playing around with the Xbox hardware.
I didn't claim you said anything, I asked a question. I also later clarified that you were right and you never made the comment.
You can go ahead and think what you want, that doesn't mean you're right.
No offense taken. I mostly just posted that dev comment to see the reaction and I wasn't disappointed. =p
So basically you're a dick? Gotcha
I've only just read the last page, but as I remember it the Gamecube was indeed closer to the Xbox than to the PS2. It's just that not enough developers gave a shit to really show us what the GCN was capable of. All we really have are the Rogue Squadron games, some of Nintendo's games, Resident Evil, and a handful of ports that some critics claimed "challenged the Xbox version."
I'm sure shit like Riddick or the Xbox version of Chaos Theory was impossible on the GCN, but in the case of the latter you have to admit they probably didn't even try with the GCN version - just straight porting the PS2 code with all new critical bugs.
I'm sure shit like Riddick or the Xbox version of Chaos Theory was impossible on the GCN, but in the case of the latter you have to admit they probably didn't even try with the GCN version - just straight porting the PS2 code with all new critical bugs.
It's not worth it Meelow. But just to dip my feet in the fire, if the Xbox GPU was such a leap over the GC where are all of these 3x graphically superior games. Yes, the box was the most powerful console of that gen, but it wasn't by a factor of 3, whatever that means.
ROFL.
I'm not saying I'm right, but since nobody really cares about my comment expect you it seems I'm fine.
And wow, that's just horrible.
Yep, not worth my time, I feel like I was just set up though.
ColdBlooder
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Funny that you mention that
When Shin'en gets quoted on the "ram issue" where they basically claim the RAM latency is the biggest issue AND Nintendo worked around all the bottlenecks of the RAM, people just discredit Shin'en... A developer with a flawless track record of delivering technically incredible stuff. A company that started in the demo scene with people who can code directly to the metal.
But this Last Light dev guy is getting a free pass why?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
It doesn't even need to be a bullshot... The graphics were still ridiculous.
A piece of shit game...
But above Gamecube graphically.
Not above Rogue Leader. That's for sure.
Call me what you want, but I think it's silly to get worked up over a 10 year old subject.
Some people really shouldn't take some things so seriously is my point.
I try to provide intelligent posts, and they are ignored, I try to have fun, and I'm a dick. Oh gaf...
Relaxed Muscle
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Rogue Leader was 60 fps (not constant) with plenty of shaders with much more geometry going on.
So yeah, perfectly serious.
You were fishing for hilarious comments because you care about wanting to point out how someone is wrong, you admitted that you posted it to see the replies. That is not intelligent posts, that is being a dick.
Rogue Leader had more advanced shaders than the models of Tao Feng?
My copy of Rogue Leader is showing me something different.
Gemüsepizza
Member
What. They developed for the 3DS, DS, Wii, Game Boy Advance and Color. And I would not really call their games "technically incredible".
Thunder Monkey
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Comparing the vast majority of these games doesn't work anyway.
Now if Xbox had a Rogue Squadron alike? Given the same time and budget it could work out better. I mean for all of the very detailed textures, the early light scattering, the CPU assisted normal maps there's no real analog on the Xbox.
Same for Ninja Gaiden. There's not much you can directly compare about them. All I can really say is devs with the intent hacked the shit out of both consoles. They got very impressive things done for both. I haven't seen large scale grass-shading in an Xbox game (least not on the scale of Star Fox) but have seen better fur-shading in Conker.
That's kind of a misnomer actually. The grass and fur in both are using the same concentric shells to achieve the look of fur... I'm guessing the 24MB of 1tSRAM and 2MB framebuffer allowed for it to be used on a larger scale in SFA than ConkerL&R.
Now if Xbox had a Rogue Squadron alike? Given the same time and budget it could work out better. I mean for all of the very detailed textures, the early light scattering, the CPU assisted normal maps there's no real analog on the Xbox.
Same for Ninja Gaiden. There's not much you can directly compare about them. All I can really say is devs with the intent hacked the shit out of both consoles. They got very impressive things done for both. I haven't seen large scale grass-shading in an Xbox game (least not on the scale of Star Fox) but have seen better fur-shading in Conker.
That's kind of a misnomer actually. The grass and fur in both are using the same concentric shells to achieve the look of fur... I'm guessing the 24MB of 1tSRAM and 2MB framebuffer allowed for it to be used on a larger scale in SFA than ConkerL&R.
Except nobody is taking this seriously, nobody cares that I said the GameCube was close in power to the Xbox.
Relaxed Muscle
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Human models? no, but it had like dozens and dozens of tie fighters on screen with plenty of effects going on, much more that 2 fighters and a simple background.
Both Factor 5 games on game cube competes easily with most Xbox games. They were that good.
I mean in general, not in this specific instance.
Well ok then =) I haven't really seen your other posts, so can't comment there!
XtremeXpider
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60fps, 480p, dolby digital, physics, online, shaders everywhere...
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