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cory64

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Great read, 'scribe. I was wondering if you could explain how Toxic was represented a shift for pop music? Or someone else, if they know. I don't really pay enough attention to production or instrumentation or what-have-you to notice these things.

I don't think it caused the actual shift (which really happened until about 3 years later), but it was one of the first purely pop sounding major singles following many many years of R&B influenced pop.
 

botty

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Hype +1

People hate on her all they want....but every time I see an interview with her I like her more. She comes off as sincere and earnest.

Nicki is very articulate, and her feelings are very genuine. Underneath all that craziness is a really great person, though most people never give her a chance.

edit: Mariah's interview.

I don't know if we can handle all the shade she is going to be throwing.

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Previous Entry: Albums 50-41


40 -- LOOSE, Nelly Furtado (2006)

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Loose is a groundbreaking hip-hop/pop fusion album that’s as eclectic as it is unexpected. Following a sophomore effort that flew under the radar to mainstream listeners, Nelly Furtado’s partnership with Timbaland proved to be a pivotal moment in the mid-00’s transition into club-friendly synths and genre consolidation. More importantly, it was albums like Loose that led the charge in “friendly hip-hop,” a movement that allowed artists who had otherwise no business recording hip-hop/R&B material to release it to the public with positive reception. If Nelly Furtado had released Loose five years prior, it most likely wouldn’t have received the same reaction from the masses. Loose is very much the spiritual successor to P!nk’s early R&B material, but leans much more heavily toward the edgy club-synths that ended up defining radio pop today. Beyond the musical implications of the record’s release, Loose is also a brilliantly-constructed album filled with energetic songs with out-of-this-world production and esoteric lyricism.

Brightest moments: Maneater, Do It Right

39 -- LAUNDRY SERVICE, Shakira (2001)

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A beautiful collection of powerhouse latin-rock anthems and brilliant pop executions, Laundry Service was hardly Shakira’s musical debut, but was very much her mainstream emergence. While it lacked the subtle, more alternative flavors of her squarely Latin predecessor, Laundry Service provides an energetic abundance of songs that collide beautifully with her charmingly heavy vocals. “Objection” is a modern classic, and the Mayer-esque “Underneath Your Clothes” shows her tender emotive side. “Whenever, Wherever” has every element of a timeless classic, but the Estafan-penned banger is only a single gear in this well-oiled machine. The entire album is a single cohesive sound, and its exotic charm oozes throughout.

Brightest moments: Whenever, Wherever, Ojos Asi

38 -- SUPERNATURE, Goldfrapp (2005)

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The true queen of weird, Goldfrapp delivered this delectable gem two years after its timeless predecessor, Black Cherry. While most critics will mostly likely prefer Black Cherry in hindsight, I prefer Supernature’s edgier synth-pop material and moodier productions. It’s an album that doesn’t try to dress up as a pop record, but still serves quite accessible material for non-fans to find a home with. “Ooh La La” is both the most accessible track on Supernature and one of its best, and most songs on the album (with the exception of the admittedly duller finishers) are completely intoxicating. This album will definitely stand the test of time as more and more people get introduced to Goldfrapp’s creepy little world.

Brightest moments: Ooh La La, Ride A White Horse

37 -- TEENAGE DREAM, Katy Perry (2010)

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What modern critics and general Perry nay-sayers don’t understand about Teenage Dream is that a strong, well-crafted concept album can come in all forms and colors. Teenage Dream’s genius is not in substantial or poetic source material but in its brilliant ability to take modern expectations (and stigmas) of pop music and toss it back out at the listener. What you find is that with every insufferable trope that we make fun of in regards to pop music (female singers excreting sexuality, overly esoteric lyrics, tireless hooks at the expense of depth), we end up falling in love with those tropes all over again with Teenage Dream. The album is the quintessential example of its time. Every song on the album stands as a contemporary exemplar of what we consider to be a guilty pleasure, and together every song collides into one giant commentary on the superficiality of youth issues, and the superficiality of pop music. Katy Perry is a smarter woman than we give her credit for, and though this album may seem to serve her negatively in that regard, to me it shows a ground-breaking insight into how packaged, sugary-sweet pop music can be just as influential and profound as the most celebrated classics of old.

Brightest moments: The One That Got Away, Teenage Dream

36 -- SOME NIGHTS, Fun. (2011)

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To me, Some Nights is the perfect gay album. Though the project was very much crafted with “youth culture” in mind, it’s absolutely mind-blowing to me how accurate and relatable the material is in regards to young gay issues and insecurities. Dark motifs about alcoholism, domestic violence, wavering political opinions, family troubles, social justice and progressivism are showered throughout, but the most brilliant presence in Some Nights is its title track, an overwhelmingly honest and forthright confessional that could easily pass as a high-quality Queen smash. This is a spectacular pop-rock electo-opera hybrid that any slighted demographic or personality type can feel at home with, and it stands as one of the most honest and intelligent records in recent time.

Brightest moments: Some Nights, Carry On

35 -- FUNHOUSE, P!nk (2008)

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There’s no sweeter vision than watching an established pop icon go back to the confines of straight pop. After flirting with faux-rock and R&B, P!nk pumps out this energetic pop gem that flirts with those neighboring genres without losing track of its intentions. What makes Funhouse so great is not revolutionary material; it’s the fact that the album is so unapologetically un-revolutionary. It’s completely comfortable in its own skin, and yet presents a series of unforgettable vulnerability that P!nk had always flirted with but never completely committed to (“Glitter in the Air” does this most effectively). Her raspy vocal reaches a euphoric critical mass on Funhouse, and her ability to jump from pop-rock bangers to silky-smooth productions is actually quite remarkable. People are always the quickest to avoid handing P!nk any credits in her field, but the truth is that she has developed the most consistent and committed portfolio of songs and albums so far in modern pop music. For that, she deserves a hell of a lot of acclaim.

Brightest moments: Glitter In the Air, Sober

34 -- SPICE, Spice Girls (1996)

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The Spice Girls emerged out of a new-found corporate formula for selling pop music to our generation, and with this new formula came a lot of disposable pop that simply wouldn’t stand the test of time. While the Spice Girls receive most of the flack for this new shift, the fact is that their debut album is pure, high-quality sugary pop bliss. While, yes, a few tracks on Spice could be categorized as filler, the rest of the album is a celebration of tongue-in-cheekery and forces the listener to approach the album (and the genre) while leaving their expectations at the door. The production choices still stand the test of time admittedly, and for the ten years following its release, pop acts were still trying emulate its seamless and infectious hooks. Whether you’re fan of the Spice Girls or not (we can all understand why you wouldn’t be), the fact is if you were to define pop music by what the late 90s turnover defined it to be, then Spice ends up being one of the most perfect pop albums. Ever.

Brightest moments: Who Do You Think You Are, When 2 Become 1

33 -- BREAKAWAY, Kelly Clarkson (2004)

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There’s an overwhelming sense of courage that permeates throughout Breakaway, and I couldn’t help as the listener but feel like the artist went through an incredibly cathartic experience to make this album a reality. Pairing the loudness of “Since U Been Gone” with the heart-wrenching honesty of “Because of You” creates an explosive combination, and it’s with this album (and more specifically its lead single) that modern day hit-makers like Katy Perry owe a great deal of their success to. While we’re unsure of this album’s legacy-work, one cannot travel through the sonic brilliance of Breakaway and not feel like they just experienced a timeless piece of contemporary pop music.

Brightest moments: Breakaway, Because of You

32 -- CRAZY LOVE, Michael Buble (2009)

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Michael Buble’s vocals have an untouchable glisten and sheen that stay front and center in Crazy Love, one of the most well-balanced traditional records in the past decade. While the album serves many highlights with its brilliant homages to jazz classics old and contemporary, it’s the seamless fusion of pop and jazz that elevate the record into something more profound and meaningful. It retains the established chords and melodies that only jazz could produce, but it ushers in an approachability and an irresistible likability that’s unique to Buble and Buble only. The soaring moments in “Cry Me A River” are so overwhelmingly powerful that the listener might risk getting sonically injured. If you haven’t listened to Crazy Love yet, you should.

Brightest moments: Cry Me A River, Haven’t Met You Yet

31 -- I AM... SASHA FIERCE, Beyonce (2008)

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While I Am... Sasha Fierce is another rousing example of a collection that’s greater than the sum of its parts, that fact is unrelated to the bottom-line: Sasha is a completely self-aware concept album that serves nothing if not to elevate the appeal and credentials of its artist. It takes a great deal of gravitas to market yourself as a master of two separate styles of performance, but it takes an even greater deal of talent to pull off both sides so effortlessly. Beyonce weaves her silky vocals through enchanting faux-folk-pop ballads and soft confessionals, showing her impeccable ability to transition smoothly between different tempos. The rambunctious, hard-hitting R&B/pop in the second half of the album provide us with Beyonce’s true calling however: her absolutely masterful ability to complement a beat with a charismatic vocal flow that only Tina Turner could compete with. Beyonce had always been compartmentalized talent-wise among different types of outlets, but it’s a testament to her multiple talents that an album like this can work double-duty, and create a double-dose of brilliant pop.

Brightest Moments: Halo, Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It)


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Nicki is very articulate, and her feelings are very genuine. Underneath all that craziness is a really great person, though most people never give her a chance.

edit: Mariah's interview.

I don't know if we can handle all the shade she is going to be throwing.

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I am a bit worried about having Mariah. I am not sure what would be worse....her flopping, or her being amazing knowing how unlikely it is that she will be back next season.

It would be nice if they could find some decent judges who were willing to stick around for a while. Not sure the whole revolving door of superstars looking for promo is a long term strategy that can work. Though I do expect ratings to be up this coming season.....I doubt they will be up enough to justify the paychecks (as X Factor learned with Brit).
 

Mumei

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I think the song is the earliest big pop single that pushed this stylized electronica that so many songs today use. It's the blend of sampling a timeless chord progression (which is the biggest hook in the song) with heavy synths, including a synthesized lead vocal... it's a combination we see a LOT now, and I think it's because Toxic was so successful. Though we've come a long way since then (Toxic uses its synths a lot more subtly than songs today do), it feels to me like that was the tipping point.

Ah, I see. I can hear that, but I didn't realize Toxic set that trend.

When can we expect Part II?

Edit: That was fast.
 

Cynosure

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lol, nope. Started to experiment with 'shopped gifs a few weeks ago tbh. Still a learner.

I actually wanted to experiment with Gaga gifs and drag her, but I went with Xtina thanks to Royalan and botty
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oh it just now makes a lot of sense that all the really good ones I've seen around are made by Xtina fans
so if it's not by you, then it's by another Xtina fan im sure
 

cory64

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Upon further reflection, you can pretty much draw a straight line from Toxic to SOS to Gimme More to I Kissed A Girl, etc.
 
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Lol its a good album....though not sure it belongs in any top 50.

The songs themselves are pretty great and there are really only one or two duds. The weakness of the album is that the whole is not greater than the sum of its parts. Taken in isolation the songs are excellent, but the album itself is rather one note and boring. So I guess it depends on how you like to listen to your music. Personally I just use shuffle on my "top rated" itunes playlist so it doesn't bother me much.
 
I can hardly remember anything from it.

Nothing stood out other than the title track and We Are Young. The rest was forgettable tbh.

Lol I never liked We Are Young. I got the album on a whim during the 99c Amazon sale earlier this year.

I REALLY enjoy quite a few songs. My favorite track is All Alone.



I do agree that as a whole the album is a bit forgettable. Its still solid, quality, music though imo.
 

Servbot24

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Everyone knows that Aim & Ignite is wildly superior to Some Nights, yes? Please tell me yes. Some Nights was the disappointment of a lifetime.
 
Everyone knows that Aim & Ignite is wildly superior to Some Nights, yes? Please tell me yes. Some Nights was the disappointment of a lifetime.

Hew?

I try to be nice to indies but lets not try to compare Fun. to them anymore.....Fun. is an actual success now

I have an irrational disdain for anyone who goes for Freddie-lite vocals. You can't do it. Stop trying.

Mumei you are testing my ability to resist temptation aren't you?.........
 

Servbot24

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Hew?

I try to be nice to indies but lets not try to compare Fun. to them anymore.....Fun. is an actual success now

Your post is a little confusing since it makes Aim & Ignite sound like a band, but I'll assume you know it's their first album.
Why does it matter if they're successful now? I'd rather listen to good music than successful music.

This kind of talk is part of why pop will never be taken seriously. Pop music is good music because it's good music, not because it sells.

Has there been discussion about how utterly woeful that Popjustice list is. What a silly website.
 
Your post is a little confusing since it makes Aim & Ignite sound like a band, but I'll assume you know it's their first album.
Why does it matter if they're successful now? I'd rather listen to good music than successful music.

This kind of talk is part of why pop will never be taken seriously. Pop music is good music

lol I was merely pointing out that you can't really hold up a band that has had very limited success/sales as superior to a hit artist and say they are better without raising eyebrows simply because very, very few people will have ever actually listened to both to have an actual educated opinion.

Generally there is a reason that an act is a success. Fun. came out of nowhere because people actually liked their music. I am fine if YOU think they are better than Fun. because thats your right.....but your post seemed to imply that it was common sense that they were better despite the fact that I would be shocked if more than 2-3 people have heard of them.
 

cory64

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lol I was merely pointing out that you can't really hold up a band that has had very limited success/sales as superior to a hit artist and say they are better without raising eyebrows simply because very, very few people will have ever actually listened to both to have an actual educated opinion.

Generally there is a reason that an act is a success. Fun. came out of nowhere because people actually liked their music. I am fine if YOU think they are better than Fun. because thats your right.....but your post seemed to imply that it was common sense that they were better despite the fact that I would be shocked if more than 2-3 people have heard of them.

Aim & Ignite is the name of fun.'s first album...
 
Have you passed one of my tests before?



Indeed. It isn't just the lead singer; the band's sound is also very reminiscent of Queen (especially the harmonies).

Probably not lol.

Its kind of interesting to see this talked about because, in a way, I am virtually your complete opposite. I listen to very little "older" music in general (I am aware of who people are and their iconic songs but not a whole lot beyond that), and I stan for only a handful of non current artists, so it always confuses me when people do these cross era comparisons.

Not sure where I am going with this.....just musing I suppose.

Aim & Ignite is the name of fun.'s first album...
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Not sure why I assumed it was a different band. I even looked it up on wiki.
 
I have an irrational disdain for anyone who goes for Freddie-lite vocals. You can't do it. Stop trying.

Fun.'s lead vocalist can't sing like Mercury, I was saying that the title track has the production of a Queen song. The production is fucking ace though.

Honestly I wouldn't expect anyone here to agree with Some Nights being on any top 50 list but it's always interesting to see how albums can sometimes surprise. There's an energy to the album that really resonated with me, and I'm not making any claims for how it compares with other albums in its genre. It's an isolated experience and it really worked for me. So seethe. :p
 

Mumei

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Fun.'s lead vocalist can't sing like Mercury, I was saying that the title track has the production of a Queen song. The production is fucking ace though.

Honestly I wouldn't expect anyone here to agree with Some Nights being on any top 50 list but it's always interesting to see how albums can sometimes surprise. There's an energy to the album that really resonated with me, and I'm not making any claims for how it compares with other albums in its genre. It's an isolated experience and it really worked for me. So seethe. :p

Oh, I'm sorry. That wasn't meant to be a response to your post (I hadn't read it yet!); it was just my train-of-thought complaining about his tendencies as a vocalist when I saw other people talking about the band. I agree about the production sounding like a Queen song, though.

One of these days you'll list an album that I have listened to in its entirety besides Norah Jones, though.
 
Oh, I'm sorry. That wasn't meant to be a response to your post (I hadn't read it yet!); it was just my train-of-thought complaining about his tendencies as a vocalist when I saw other people talking about the band. I agree about the production sounding like a Queen song, though.

One of these days you'll list an album that I have listened to in its entirety besides Norah Jones, though.

You haven't listened to Sasha Fierce in full?

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royalan

Member
Well, looking at the track listing for the standard edition, I have heard six of eleven songs; I haven't heard Broken-Hearted Girl, Ave Maria, Satellites, Radio, or Video Phone.

I know Beyonce shade is expected of me, but you ignored the correct songs from that album.

ESPECIALLY Ave Maria. In fact, hearing how she butchered that song so shamelessly was the point where I went from a sorta-fan to open hate. Ugh - she should be tared and feathered for that.
 

zankara

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Personally I think Sasha Fierce is Beyonce's least consistent album. It is saved by the fact that the good songs are really good (Single Ladies, Sweet Dreams, Halo, Why Don't you Love me).

4 > B'Day > Dangerously in Love = Sasha Fierce
 

Artemisia

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Personally I think Sasha Fierce is Beyonce's least consistent album. It is saved by the fact that the good songs are really good (Single Ladies, Sweet Dreams, Halo, Why Don't you Love me).

4 > B'Day > Dangerously in Love = Sasha Fierce

Yeah, that's my ranking as well. But with many more > between 4 and B'Day.
 
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