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[Karak]

The funny thing about this upcoming gen is due to the fact that nobody knows anything about Sony and we have a lot of people with close ties to MS hyping up the next system is that we start to think that Sony is already defeated before they even release the system.

Just before the Wii, Nintendo was discounted and there were chants of going 3rd party every time we talked about them. Look what happened. I think it's silly to assume things without no real evidence from both sides.

I feel like most people will be disappointed in the next few months, if next gen turns out to be more competitive than they think.

Despite what people want to think there is a very clear reason for the lack of data. Or not as much.
Sony did not have a full plan developed in the same time spectrum as MS. They may be hot footing it now but there is a reason MS went to cert recently and nothing from Sony. Was that because they felt that the PS3 would have super long legs? Who knows. But this kind of thing is reflected in all manufacturing and the steps required are the same. When one doesn't move there is a reason. Another reason that I don't want either to rush. If Sony wants to wait, let them wait. I would rather have that than a travesty, or other shortcuts being taken.

 

[Baconsammy]

Why would people be disappointed by competition?

Yes, I don't get why people would be upset if Sony and Microsoft competed hard. I mean I get that fans of corporations would be upset if their corporation of choice didn't stomp the others, but everyone else should welcome the competition. Anything that stems complacency seems like a good thing.

Has it been mentioned that "And it's on.." is what was said at the 05 E3 press conference by Microsoft. Maybe that's a little easter egg from Major Nelson. Obviously the next-gen Xbox will be at E3, but I'm just wondering if the "And it's on.." part is like Microsoft's little next-gen phrase/tease.

Check out Bach's closing words in this video -- "And it's on.." is said at around 7:45.

A bunch of pages back, yes. Not sure which one.

 

[TriGen]

Has it been mentioned that "And it's on.." is what was said at the 05 E3 press conference by Microsoft. Maybe that's a little easter egg from Major Nelson. Obviously the next-gen Xbox will be at E3, but I'm just wondering if the "And it's on.." part is like Microsoft's little next-gen phrase/tease.

Check out Bach's closing words in this video -- "And it's on.." is said at around 7:45.

 

[Karak]

Absolutely, expectations are key, I actually like mine this time around vs E3 2005. I expect the consoles to have 4-6gb of RAM, etc. Hard to believe MS almost shipped the 360 with 256mb of RAM.

Good man!
The key to knowing that consoles are massively optomized for specific things versus a computer that may have to do ANYTHING. Is not only super smart. It puts you in line with the actual industry itself and not some random idea of what should be.

Has it been mentioned that "And it's on.." is what was said at the 05 E3 press conference by Microsoft. Maybe that's a little easter egg from Major Nelson. Obviously the next-gen Xbox will be at E3, but I'm just wondering if the "And it's on.." part is like Microsoft's little next-gen phrase/tease.

Check out Bach's closing words in this video -- "And it's on.." is said at around 7:45.

A couple times yes. Though from what I hear it should be "Ballz out to rule the world!" Then again...that wouldn't be the most PC slogan hahahahah.

 

[The_Monk]

I must alone in this but I'm really curious about what MS can offer despite being more into Sony regarding console gaming. Competition can only be a good thing in cases like these.

It's just a shame that MS did not support some countries on the Europe side very well. If they change their tactics they can really get more revenue for other territories but I'm not sure if they are interested. I can only hope for the best.

In here there's not much the culture of Domestic Consoles with Apps & other services like movie rentals, etc and it's seems that MS next move is going towards a console that will play a lot more than "just" games.

Would love to get both Xbox and PS4 next gen like I did with the PS3 & 360 but they really need to step up and focus in gaming if they intend to grab most of the Euro market*


*sorry for my not so good english, kinda rusty today.

 

[seattle6418]

What?

There's a strong feeling here in the forum of what we joke about it on the sports threads of saying "we already won". Of course people will be disappointed if that's not the case. Not every gamer wants competition. Some people want MS to wipe the floor this gen, and i think those can be a little disappointed if that doesn't happen.

It's just a gut feeling, maybe i shouldn't even expand on that because i would be the minority, but my read on the PDF Microsoft document is a bit different. I feel like a lot of hardcore fans will be let down due to the amount of importance given to non gaming features.

Once again, it's mostly my own guesses, so people shouldn't take much from it.

 

[Hindle]

I'm interested to see if they evolve the achievement system or keep it the way it is. It gave them such a huge advantage in the early years so if they can evolve it then all the better.

 

[Karak]

Man I am old.
I keep thinking about all the times game companies thought they would last...and look back at all the hardware makers who have left us...only to have others arise.

Something seems very intrinsic about 2-3 people in the console war. If Sony did drop to software only(which would have positives and negatives.), someone would most likely challenge MS anyway. Since I am so old I still view Sony as a software company(publisher) that also makes some hardware, moreso than a hardware maker who makes games too.
Not that I want them to go, I just remember when they were not there in that sphere.

I'm interested to see if they evolve the achievement system or keep it the way it is. It gave them such a huge advantage in the early years so if they can evolve it then all the better.

I know they are in. But I also wonder what else. A Kinect snapping a picture of you for each win
Kidding. But achievements is just one more place where MS made a decision and it leaked out of their own sphere of influence into everything. Hell its been in random sitcoms and stuff. Amazing when you think about it.

 

[Syphon Filter]

360 is third right now.

huh?ps3 is in 3rd right now. got any proof that ps3 is ahead?

 

[Hindle]

@ Karak

I asked a question a few posts back dude, with regards to the games we can expect. Do you have any idea what they will do?

for some reason it didn't quote.

 

[Karak]

I will go back and find it.

EDIT: Found it.

No exacts other than that 1.3 to 1.5 years is the longest peeps have been developing for a target next-gen MS machine. One reason why some games are doing the shuffle right now, being delayed, or in some cases seeming to come out earlier than they had the right to.

I was told that MS, more importantly leadership, knows that they wouldn't have garnered secondary sales, casual gamers, and so forth if they had IGNORED core gamers. Especially in the first couple years and that MS isn't sparing expenses when it comes to core studio setups.

I personally consider that information pretty soft(not much that we don't know or can't assume). So I don't bring it up much except for the 1.3 to 1.5 as that is rather specific.

Though I do know people who do NOT work at MS who put their support behind Mattrick. Games people and a couple normal dev studio peeps who have tracked him. He has a resume that speaks for itself when it comes to games.
Is that support still warrented? I don't know. I don't see MS doing anything Sony or any other big company didn't do when they had a great long lasting product(Stretch to some casual content)

For example people like to complain about Kinect support but it sold like hotcakes for a company to not TRY to support it is lackluster thinking on our part. To not support it with more CORE games is MS's lackluster planning. Always making me think that they had no clue it would catch on so well.

EDIT: Sorry one but more. That only a fool would think that MS was patent hunting some of the older key licenses in their stable for NO reason or gathering developers of a specific type to the newer studios. They do not think that their 360 core stable of go-to games will be enough when it comes to moving forward.

 

[Quazar]

I just hope they still bring some JRPG's next-gen. Miss the old days of constant home console releases we used to enjoy on PS etc.

 

[bill0527]

I just hope they still bring some JRPG's next-gen. Miss the old days of constant home console releases we used to enjoy on PS etc.

Japanese devs have to get their shit together. I dont think you can put it on Microsoft or Sony. Microsoft gave it a good attempt on the JRPG front early in the gen, because they focused on it. The software just failed to deliver.

 

[Karak]

Japanese devs have to get their shit together. I dont think you can put it on Microsoft or Sony. Microsoft gave it a good attempt on the JRPG front early in the gen, because they focused on it. The software just failed to deliver.

Could not agree more.

 

[Hindle]

I will go back and find it.

EDIT: Found it.

No exacts other than that 1.3 to 1.5 years is the longest peeps have been developing for a target next-gen MS machine. One reason why some games are doing the shuffle right now, being delayed, or in some cases seeming to come out earlier than they had the right to.

I was told that MS, more importantly leadership, knows that they wouldn't have garnered secondary sales, casual gamers, and so forth if they had IGNORED core gamers. Especially in the first couple years and that MS isn't sparing expenses when it comes to core studio setups.

I personally consider that information pretty soft(not much that we don't know or can't assume). So I don't bring it up much except for the 1.3 to 1.5 as that is rather specific.

Though I do know people who do NOT work at MS who put their support behind Mattrick. Games people and a couple normal dev studio peeps who have tracked him. He has a resume that speaks for itself when it comes to games.

Ahh thanks man, I wasn't aware you already posted the info. My apologies.

 

[Karak]

Ahh thanks man, I wasn't aware you already posted the info. My apologies.

No probs. The thread is big. And I meant I found your post where you asked me. What I just posted is a summary of bits.

Personally I don't see any of that as...all that surprising.

What does make me smile. Is the frank and utter distaste most have for Mattrick. Who is...more of a gamers boss than almost any of us has any chance of ever seeing at the head of a company branch like his. But he comes off as swarmy. As I said elsewhere the others pretend they know as much and do a better job than the guy who DOES know that much and support games that much.

It is saying something that he is in command during this next phase. IF ms was entertainment bound 100%. We might have seen a switch.

 

[DocStar]

Though I do know people who do NOT work at MS who put their support behind Mattrick. Games people and a couple normal dev studio peeps who have tracked him. He has a resume that speaks for itself when it comes to games.
Is that support still warrented? I don't know.

Could you be more specific? I'm sorry but is Mattrick really the "Core-Games" Guy you point him out to be? If so, really interesting because I judged him differently.

I mean he is a guy who can't present. J Allard, Peter Moore and Robbie Bach (dare I said his name) were much better presenters but if we can get another shouldertap-situation this E3 I'm in

 

[Karak]

Could you be more specific? I'm sorry but is Mattrick really the "Core-Games" Guy you point him out to be? If so, really interesting because I judged him differently.

I mean he is a guy who can't present. J Allard, Peter Moore and Robbie Bach (dare I said his name) were much better presenters but if we can get another shouldertap-situation this E3 I'm in

No sorry I can't. You could take a look at his resume and history for a good snippet. These were personal conversations about people who liked(or respected) others and also who people did not enjoy(or respect).

We aren't talking about J Allard or Peter Moore or Robbie. We are talking about the current guys running the big 3.
This was a current conversation not one from a couple years ago and was based around presentation versus actual capabilities, history and the so called GULF that people think exists with MS's head guy.

I don't point him out to be anything. Just my opinions and something I have heard from others + his resume and history. Everyone can dislike or like who they want.

EDIT: A tatoo and a dude in a hoodie sitting down with others...shouldn't be compared to a shoulder tap. Lets be honest Bach, if we are talking about this stuff, is probably the ONLY one that came across as genuine. No disrespect to Allard or to Moore. I loved both of them. But lets be honest for cheesiness rating on those events

Double Edit: Now you got me thinking of a comparison between the 3 JUST from MS. They all came from different groups and era's. That would be harder to decide who, even those in the past, would be the better boss. For now I will go with Mattrick because I hear he understands you need to remember the core always. While Bach might have loved the core too much for the next gen coming up. Allard. Hmmm. I don't ever hear much about him. OFF to read up on Allard man more.

 

[G_Berry]

Has it been mentioned that "And it's on.." is what was said at the 05 E3 press conference by Microsoft. Maybe that's a little easter egg from Major Nelson. Obviously the next-gen Xbox will be at E3, but I'm just wondering if the "And it's on.." part is like Microsoft's little next-gen phrase/tease.

Check out Bach's closing words in this video -- "And it's on.." is said at around 7:45.

XBOX ON confirmed.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

The funny thing about this upcoming gen is due to the fact that nobody knows anything about Sony and we have a lot of people with close ties to MS hyping up the next system is that we start to think that Sony is already defeated before they even release the system.

I hear what your saying.

If MS studios have only been working for 1.3-1.5 years on games, why do people think that Sony is behind when they have had studios working for 2+ years in a lot of cases.

Just because leaks haven't happened or no one in the games industry is dropping hints about the PS4 doesn't automatically mean Sony are delayed compared to Microsoft.

It is a given at this point Microsoft will launch in Q4. Looking at Sony:

Nothing announced for the second half of 2013 so far (big games are usually announced 1-1.5 years in advance?)
Devs have been working on games for 2+ years
Looking back at the PS3 announcement at E3 2005.......ND started prototyping Uncharted at the start of 2005 and I guess the same was true for at least GG with Killzone 2

All of that points to Q4 2013 IMO. If they don't make it, it will be bad news for us and Sony.

 

[DocStar]

No sorry I can't. You could take a look at his resume and history for a good snippet. These were personal conversations about people who liked(or respected) others and also who people did not enjoy(or respect).

We aren't talking about J Allard or Peter Moore or Robbie. We are talking about the current guys running the big 3.
This was a current conversation not one from a couple years ago and was based around presentation versus actual capabilities, history and the so called GULF that people think exists with MS's head guy.

I don't point him out to be anything. Just my opinions and something I have heard from others + his resume and history. Everyone can dislike or like who they want.

EDIT: A tatoo and a dude in a hoodie sitting down with others...shouldn't be compared to a shoulder tap. Lets be honest Bach, if we are talking about this stuff, is probably the ONLY one that came across as genuine. No disrespect to Allard or to Moore. I loved both of them. But lets be honest for cheesiness rating on those events.

Thanks nevertheless I still hope, that maybe even Phil Harrison will take stage. Even though some don't like him that much I like his charisma.

And besides, how wicked would it be if HE would announce the next Xbox

 

[Karak]

Thanks nevertheless I still hope, that maybe even Phil Harrison will take stage. Even though some don't like him that much I like his charisma.

And besides, how wicked would it be if HE would announce the next Xbox

Oh in no way is Mattrick a lock for anything other than the main announcement. Though a HUGE number of people dislike Phil as a person(attitude) he is a good presenter for sure!

I hear what your saying.

If MS studios have only been working for 1.3-1.5 years on games, why do people think that Sony is behind when they have had studios working for 2+ years in a lot of cases.

Just because leaks haven't happened or no one in the games industry is dropping hints about the PS4 doesn't automatically mean Sony are delayed compared to Microsoft.

It is a given at this point Microsoft will launch in Q4. Looking at Sony:

Nothing announced for the second half of 2013 so far (big games are usually announced 1-1.5 years in advance?)
Devs have been working on games for 2+ years
Looking back at the PS3 announcement at E3 2005.......ND started prototyping Uncharted at the start of 2005 and I guess the same was true for at least GG with Killzone 2

All of that points to Q4 2013 IMO. If they don't make it, it will be bad news for us and Sony.

If this was for me. I wasn't saying they were delayed for sure or anything. I was saying that Sony themselves may have had a longer plan for PS3 versus MS's internal plan for the 360. And they have sort of gone back and forth, publicly which does lend to the thought that they may have had to replan some things. And because of that we can't expect parity. It may happen, we just shouldn't expect it 100%. Also devs have leaked more bits, by far, about the alpha's for Xbox 360, stating they were there earlier, and more advanced. I am not sure that is true. I know nothing about them(Sony). Could be that they hold back far more.

It is not a diss on Sony to assume they are planning a different timeline(even by 6-12 months, than MS.
But I disagree about 1 thing. It will be a bad thing for us if anyone rushes for no reason. That matters to me far more than a parity release just to say they did.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

Personally I am very intrigued because Microsoft has been on a hiring spree that past couple of years and there is a lot of unannounced stuff in the works.

1st party:
343 Industries
Good Science
Microsoft Studios Los Angeles
Platform Next
Skybox Sports
Turn 10
Twisted Pixel
Lionhead
Microsoft Studios London
Rare Ltd.
Microsoft Studios Soho
BigPark
Black Tusk
Microsoft Studios Victoria

3rd party:
Playground Games
Crytek
Epic
Remedy
Ruffian

(I left some out because they are more likely to be working on Windows 8 stuff)

 

[Baconsammy]

XBOX ON confirmed.

WHAT?!!!! WHAT DID YOU SAY?!

Sorry, Xbox 360 launch joke. But damn those things were loud.

 

[G_Berry]

WHAT?!!!! WHAT DID YOU SAY?!

Sorry, Xbox 360 launch joke. But damn those things were loud.

Loud and shit! I'm on my 7th Xbox lol.

Water cooled or go home for the new one. That, or MASSIVE FUCKING FANS!!

 

[DocStar]

Personally I am very intrigued because Microsoft has been on a hiring spree that past couple of years and there is a lot of unannounced stuff in the works.

1st party:
343 Industries
Microsoft Studios Los Angeles
Platform Next
Skybox Sports
Turn 10
Twisted Pixel
Lionhead
Microsoft Studios London
Rare Ltd.
BigPark
Black Tusk
Microsoft Studios Victoria

3rd party:
Playground Games
Crytek
Epic
Ruffian

(I left some out because they are more likely to be working on windows phone/tablet stuff)

I would implode if the people at 343i would have something like a second development team (like Naughty Dog) developing a true remake of Halo 2. Hasn't there been a rumor about that?

Even though i don't own an Xbox anymore, it's needless to say that the graphics engine powering Halo 4 is delicious. A Halo 2 remake with that engine and true City-warfare as implied by the first Halo 2 Unveiling would be awesome!

 

[Karak]

Personally I am very intrigued because Microsoft has been on a hiring spree that past couple of years and there is a lot of unannounced stuff in the works.

1st party:
343 Industries
Good Science
Microsoft Studios Los Angeles
Platform Next
Skybox Sports
Turn 10
Twisted Pixel
Lionhead
Microsoft Studios London
Rare Ltd.
Microsoft Studios Soho
BigPark
Black Tusk
Microsoft Studios Victoria

3rd party:
Playground Games
Crytek
Epic
Ruffian

(I left some out because they are more likely to be working on Windows 8 stuff)

Ya it is insane(in comparison to overall thought process you hear from people). And I think at least 1-2 more haven't even been polished up to be announced yet.

I would implode if the people at 343i would have something like a second development team (like Naughty Dog) developing a true remake of Halo 2. Hasn't there been a rumor about that?

Even though i don't own an Xbox anymore, it's needless to say that the graphics engine powering Halo 4 is delicious. A Halo 2 remake with that engine and true City-warfare as implied by the first Halo 2 Unveiling would be awesome!

Though I would love an anniversary version too. I still think those groups are better served to hitting core games that either hit less with the 360 or not at all. Killer Instinct and such. But that is just my own hopes.

Killer Instinct delivered like the last Virtua Fighter(XBLA) would be awesome to me. Just to show that those kind of games are possible via digital release. I would love those older core games, that may not see full retail, get XBLA sequels. Something about that really speaks to me.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

I would implode if the people at 343i would have something like a second development team (like Naughty Dog) developing a true remake of Halo 2. Hasn't there been a rumor about that?

Even though i don't own an Xbox anymore, it's needless to say that the graphics engine powering Halo 4 is delicious. A Halo 2 remake with that engine and true City-warfare as implied by the first Halo 2 Unveiling would be awesome!

I'd much rather they hire some former Ensemble guys and get a Halo Wars sequel going!

 

[TriGen]

Loud and shit! I'm on my 7th Xbox lol.

Water cooled or go home for the new one. That, or MASSIVE FUCKING FANS!!

My brother is on his 6th or 7th as well. As for me, I still have my launch unit. It got the RROD at around year three (MS repaired it) but that's it. And yes, it's crazy loud. At this point I've considered myself lucky and have decided that if it breaks I'll just wait for the next Xbox. I've only had to spend $400 on 360's and I'm gonna keep it that way (since I have my PS3 and Wii U to hold me over if my launch 360 happens to drop permanently).

 

[Baconsammy]

Do we know what Twisted Pixel is working on? Or for what they're making it?

 

[Karak]

I'd much rather they hire some former Ensemble guys and get a Halo Wars sequel going!

If we are just throwing out ideas. I would love to see some unique things like a Banjo RPG. Ya I said it. I know its a plateformer but I love people stretching their wings.
Sega still has the Moogle Brothers...course I was probably the only person in the world who liked that game

Ok another one. Bring Back Sega's MR. Bones to XBLA(next). That was a game.

 

[derFeef]

Do we know what Twisted Pixel is working on? Or for what they're making it?

LocoCycle. Announced last E3, gampelay is out there, looks unfinished

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Sorry Karak it wasn't aimed at you. It is the general impression I get from reading games forums/websites.

A lot of MS support and insider talk but Nintendo and Sony are taking a kicking. I'm sure it was the same in the PS2 days but with roles reversed.

Basically, we're in silly season!

 

[Verendus]

Yes, I don't get why people would be upset if Sony and Microsoft competed hard. I mean I get that fans of corporations would be upset if their corporation of choice didn't stomp the others, but everyone else should welcome the competition. Anything that stems complacency seems like a good thing.



A bunch of pages back, yes. Not sure which one.

True.

I think people disappointed by competition are an odd bunch. It often leads to the best of things. People should get used to it because Sony isn't going anywhere. I mean, if they can recover like they after the disastrous PS3 start, there's no fear for them not performing really well considering how strong their brand is. And Microsoft have managed to become a very strong brand in the US and they're doing well in the UK too.

I think next generation, both Sony and Microsoft will find success. Whilst I wouldn't put it past Sony to come out on top again, I think the days of a PS2 level ass-whooping are long gone.

Personally I am very intrigued because Microsoft has been on a hiring spree that past couple of years and there is a lot of unannounced stuff in the works.

1st party:
343 Industries
Good Science
Microsoft Studios Los Angeles
Platform Next
Skybox Sports
Turn 10
Twisted Pixel
Lionhead
Microsoft Studios London
Rare Ltd.
Microsoft Studios Soho
BigPark
Black Tusk
Microsoft Studios Victoria

3rd party:
Playground Games
Crytek
Epic
Ruffian

(I left some out because they are more likely to be working on Windows 8 stuff)

What have most of these studios done?

Sony has lots too, but there's a lot of crap that comes out of there. And before anyone jumps on me, I'm aware some of the best games period come out of there too.

This doesn't really show anything to be honest. I think we will get a similar model to what we had this time. A few big games every year.

 

[Quazar]

Japanese devs have to get their shit together. I dont think you can put it on Microsoft or Sony. Microsoft gave it a good attempt on the JRPG front early in the gen, because they focused on it. The software just failed to deliver.

I agree for the most part, but to be fair those attempts MS made with MW and co. could of used more time perhaps. The developers actually did a great job for the time they had(Feel+ and Artoon). Rising costs and a mixed spread out fan base between 360/PS3(Also random moneyhats) through the early years seemed to cause so many rush jobs/play safe mentality.

Western devs had a huge leg up on Japanese developers in terms of tech no how from the start it seemed and that's I assume because of the huge PC background they all mostly have. They were able to tackle tech issues early on whereas these JRPG developers seemed content to just have something working. Perhaps why that's why the transition to handheld has happened.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

Do we know what Twisted Pixel is working on? Or for what they're making it?

They have 2 teams, one of them is working on Lococyle (XBLA), the other is unannounced...

 

[Karak]

Sorry Karak it wasn't aimed at you. It is the general impression I get from reading games forums/websites.

A lot of MS support and insider talk but Nintendo and Sony are taking a kicking. I'm sure it was the same in the PS2 days but with roles reversed.

Basically, we're in silly season!

Absolutely no problem at all. It made me rethink how I was saying it and clarify. Nothing wrong with that sir!

It was indeed reversed back then.
Not connected to this conversation but many times I have to forget what I remember from past gens all the way back to the Megadrive. It can become really heated especially when I mention that if anyone goes away someone will come back. No many fans like to hear that

I guess all that support is also just cause we are hearing more. We will hear more about the PS4 I am sure.

 

[EagleBurnn]

I would implode if the people at 343i would have something like a second development team (like Naughty Dog) developing a true remake of Halo 2. Hasn't there been a rumor about that?

If you count some editor on GameInformer mentioning "Halo 2 Anniversary" in their rumors section. That's seriously where all those rumors came from, I shit you not. They know the same information as anyone else with an Internet connection. 343i debunked it in their following bulletin with "there are no current plans for a Halo 2 Anniversary."

You think it end there, but it hasn't. It grows back when some blogger wants easy hits. If Microsoft or 343 haven't said anything, then no one knows, especially desperate magazines.

 

[derFeef]

You heard any BC rumors, Karak?

 

[Karak]

True.

I think people disappointed by competition are an odd bunch. It often leads to the best of things. People should get used to it because Sony isn't going anywhere. I mean, if they can recover like they after the disastrous PS3 start, there's no fear for them not performing really well considering how strong their brand is. And Microsoft have managed to become a very strong brand in the US and they're doing well in the UK too.

I think next generation, both Sony and Microsoft will find success. Whilst I wouldn't put it past Sony to come out on top again, I think the days of a PS2 level ass-whooping are long gone.


What have most of these studios done?

Sony has lots too, but there's a lot of crap that comes out of there. And before anyone jumps on me, I'm aware some of the best games period come out of there too.

This doesn't really show anything to be honest.

The reverse is also true. People complain about exclusives(moneyhat or dev buying) like anything is actually, in reality, more evil than another choice.

Competition does lead to excellent prices and so forth. However, playing a bit of devils advocate, devs have been pretty damn loud about the issues between this gens big hardcore systems. I think at times they would rather have 1 high power and 1 low power(with some special stuff).
So competition has very practical pluses for us...but some caveats for the game makers themselves.

You heard any BC rumors, Karak?

I did. I heard it was in. Like for sure. But I don't believe that until I see it. Though, the person I talk to has been right on, I just don't know. I heard one ex employee say that it no longer was...or isn't.

I don't know if that is a small thing that they are doing through the cloud now, or some other way. But I am hedging. My belief is that MS knows how important it is, and the devs they have fostered would love it(giving them some serious love), also that the PS4, without Cell, may not have it. Which would be a boon to MS. However, maybe they are banking on that and are deciding not to do it. However the 360 isn't hard to BC(as in, some special stuff but nothing SUPER hard or compared to the PS2)

Again I heard it was...I heard it wasn't.

 

[DocStar]

If we are just throwing out ideas. I would love to see some unique things like a Banjo RPG. Ya I said it. I know its a plateformer but I love people stretching their wings.
Sega still has the Moogle Brothers...course I was probably the only person in the world who liked that game

Ok another one. Bring Back Sega's MR. Bones to XBLA(next). That was a game.

Hell, a Banjo RPG in the vein of Super Mario RPG but modernized would be great!

 

[Hindle]

I'm thinking CD Project, Bethesda, and Crystal Dynamics will all reveal thier next gen games at the MS conference.

 

[Karak]

Hell, a Banjo RPG in the vein of Super Mario RPG but modernized would be great!

I know. I think that, if I were MS, I would break out some of the older stuff I missed but really make them unique for the next system. Not ignoring sequels or anything. I mean every single time a next gen system releases I YEARN for one of them to bring Sega out and say Shenmue 3 is exclusive to them.

MR. Bones will never be made or remade. But...it holds a special play in my heart.

I'm thinking CD Project, Bethesda, and Crystal Dynamics will all reveal thier next gen games at the MS conference.

I could see that as well. Especially as CD Projekt seems to have a good deal of love for MS. Just even in interviews they have been really positive about working with MS. Then again most of the big devs are(ignoring that some indies and others have valid complaints)

 

[derFeef]

Anything B&K would be sweet, hope it's still alive.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

Hell, a Banjo RPG in the vein of Super Mario RPG but modernized would be great!

Interesting idea.

Or how about Banjo Kart...
all the framework is already in place from the car stuff in Nuts & Bolts. All they would need to add is the ability to create your own tracks (like Modnation).

 

[fritolay]

I sure am glad MS and Sony make consoles. I would hate to have some other company making consoles like Nintendo. That would suck.

 

[DocStar]

I know. I think that, if I were MS, I would break out some of the older stuff I missed but really make them unique for the next system. Not ignoring sequels or anything. I mean every single time a next gen system releases I YEARN for one of them to bring Sega out and say Shenmue 3 is exclusive to them.

MR. Bones will never be made or remade. But...it holds a special play in my heart.


I could see that as well. Especially as CD Projekt seems to have a good deal of love for MS.

Don't get my hopes up for Shenmue 3.

IF that thing ever launches... whatever system it will be on, I will buy one on day ZERO!

 

[Karak]

Interesting idea.

Or how about Banjo Kart...
all the framework is already in place from the car stuff in Nuts & Bolts. All they would need to add is the ability to create your own tracks (like Modnation).

Right. That is what I was talking about when I brought up Banjo.
Those kinds of things would not only excite a particular group of gamers but brings a new interest where a normal sequel might not.

Don't get my hopes up for Shenmue 3.

IF that thing ever launches... whatever system it will be on, I will buy one on day ZERO!

Lets be honest. If a company wanted to Moneyhat something. Just for the hardcore. It would be some of the aged Dreamcast games like Shenmue. Sega has a very particular backlog. Some of which still haven't been touched.

 

[Verendus]

The reverse is also true. People complain about exclusives(moneyhat or dev buying) like anything is actually, in reality, more evil than another choice.

Competition does lead to excellent prices and so forth. However, playing a bit of devils advocate, devs have been pretty damn loud about the issues between this gens big hardcore systems. I think at times they would rather have 1 high power and 1 low power(with some special stuff).
So competition has very practical pluses for us...but some caveats for the game makers themselves.

This is all that matters. I'm a consumer. I don't really care about the benefits devs get from one console. What I do know is that competition helps stop complacency. Sony being a prime example this last generation. Knocked down a peg due to their arrogance but ultimately, we're all better off for it because they went from being the worst console to arguably the best console.

No one company should hold all that power.

 

[Messofanego]

Alan Wake 2 vertical slice gameplay

I needs it.