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[AdventureRacing]

Terrible numbers for the wii U and i have no idea how they can turn things around. 360 putting up better numbers than i would have expected. It is definitely performing better than is often implied in sales threads.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Reading Road's post - perhaps he was simply using UKGerFrSp as "Europe".

The numbers I posted were from a FT article. It reads like they're talking sell through.

I thought it was also Italy and Belgium but maybe not.

The 360 figure stuck out because that was literally their shipment figure for EMEA in 2005 (+900k NA & 100k Japan). There's pretty much no way that FT article is accurate on that count.

 

[Mpl90]

You know what? I thought 3DS was doing way worse hardwarewise in UK, especially looking at all the top 40s. Instead, it's just behind 360 and actually slightly ahead of PS3. And not that far behind 360. I'm not saying it's a good result ( it isn't), but I thought it was way worse.

Also: 3DS is the best selling console not just in France (where it's beasting), but in Belgium and Italy too looking at this chart

 

[sphinx]

I just don't believe those PSP numbers. Where is it selling? Mainland EU people, is the PSP still on sale over there?

Here in the UK PSP has been dead for about three years if not more.

exactly my thoughts and I am in Germany, I can't believe those numebrs PSP, it has been dead for years.

 

[Mpl90]

exactly my thoughts and I am in Germany, I can't believe those numebrs PSP, it has been dead for years.

I just don't believe those PSP numbers. Where is it selling? Mainland EU people, is the PSP still on sale over there?

Here in the UK PSP has been dead for about three years if not more.

Looking at the hardware ratios graph, it's pretty obvious: Italy, Spain, Belgium and a little in France.

 

[Aostia]

We guessed right from the French numbers we got last week.
Europe will be very tough for Nintendo with the Wii U.
Overall very good performance for the 3DS btw

 

[Mpl90]

Ah, right.
The ratio between UK Wii U sales and European sales. Comparison with 3DS XL's debut week

3DS OG + XL UK Sales debut week - 15.000
3DS OG + XL European Sales debut week - 92.000
Ratio UK / Europe - 16,3%

Wii U UK First Weeks - 80.000
Wii U European First Weeks - 430.000
Ratio UK / Europe - 18,6%

 

[Rhindle]

Interestingly, the markets where WiiU is selling the worst are those where OG Wii is still selling best. Not sure what that means.

 

[SmokyDave]

Dat Vita consistency.

 

[michaelius]

You know what? I thought 3DS was doing way worse hardwarewise in UK, especially looking at all the top 40s. Instead, it's just behind 360 and actually slightly ahead of PS3. And not that far behind 360. I'm not saying it's a good result ( it isn't), but I thought it was way worse.

Also: 3DS is the best selling console not just in France (where it's beasting), but in Belgium and Italy too looking at this chart

Are those the only countries counted in Nintendo PAL numbers ?

Because if it is they are missing quite a lot of Sony land in eastern europe. Poland alone is selling > 50k PS3 per year

 

[AdventureRacing]

You know what? I thought 3DS was doing way worse hardwarewise in UK, especially looking at all the top 40s. Instead, it's just behind 360 and actually slightly ahead of PS3. And not that far behind 360. I'm not saying it's a good result ( it isn't), but I thought it was way worse.

Also: 3DS is the best selling console not just in France (where it's beasting), but in Belgium and Italy too looking at this chart

As i said in the PAL charts recently the software charts are misleading. Home consoles tend to have better representation on the charts regardless of hardware sales.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Also, you might be mixing some shipped and sold figures. 360 shipped 500k to all of Europe in 2005 for example, not sold through, and not justfor these 7 specific regions.

I would like to remind you that I said 300-350k for 5 countries.

I never gave out a 300k figure, I always say about. I can't give an exact figure otherwise I get into trouble.

 

[Visualante2]

Hard to imagine Nintendo having a good E3, or year in general right now.

Time for some heads to roll at their European operation imo.

 

[Taker666]

Surprised to see that the Wii sales are still matching or outselling the 360 everywhere in Europe on that chart (other than the UK).

I guess because we only really hear about the UK sales I had a dimmer view of how it was selling.

I wonder if the PSP is selling as a cheap media player as opposed to a games console?

 

[Clay Davis]

Hard to imagine Nintendo having a good E3, or year in general right now.

Time for some heads to roll at their European operation imo.

why at their euro division? they are simply following orders from the japanese division no? that's where heads need to roll, they should have rolled after the 3ds debacle but didn't and thus we have the current wii u debacle.

 

[Celine]

I wonder if the PSP is selling as a cheap media player as opposed to a games console?

I have my doubts.
It's a great gaming proposition.
You can get one for less than 80 euro and software is dirty cheap too.

 

[michaelius]

Surprised to see that the Wii sales are still matching or outselling the 360 everywhere in Europe on that chart (other than the UK).

I guess because we only really hear about the UK sales I had a dimmer view of how it was selling.

I wonder if the PSP is selling as a cheap media player as opposed to a games console?

Nope - the PSP is selling because it is cheap handheld with tons of 10 euro games - and the titles it have are good for mainstream European consumer (read FIFA, NFS etc)

 

[deviljho]

 

[Visualante2]

why at their euro division? they are simply following orders from the japanese division no? that's where heads need to roll, they should have rolled after the 3ds debacle but didn't and thus we have the current wii u debacle.

I don't know how multinational works but I'm fairly confident it is more complex than just a bunch of orders from Japan. For instance, people point to the marketing being a failure for the WiiU, yeah Nintendo Japan might have decided the name but someone at Nintendo Europe contracted marketing agencies to sell this product. They failed, no? Needs to be accountability for the poor performance. Some can be chalked up to the economic troubles, pricing etc. But even so, this is laughable. It has sold much better in America. Why can NoA follow these "orders" so much better, I ask.

 

[Mr Swine]

So is 3.8 million units sold a good number for vita compared to what 3DS sold this year? Won't this go down his year with no major game releases?

 

[GhostTrick]

So is 3.8 million units sold a good number for vita compared to what 3DS sold this year? Won't this go down his year with no major game releases?

No, it's really not. Even if you take this alone, and not comparing to 3DS.

 

[snowdog1971]

Terrible numbers for the wii U and i have no idea how they can turn things around. 360 putting up better numbers than i would have expected. It is definitely performing better than is often implied in sales threads.

Sales should pick up around April or May imo, but still not enough. Think it will take a first party megaton released just after E3 like they did with Super Mario Galaxy 2. Was quite funny the way they did it; nobody knew a thing about it until they announced it at E3 and basically said, 'Oh, by the way, it's out next week' lololol

If they have any sense they'll also have a price cut along with 2 big name first party titles around November.

I was originally expecting the Wii U to have sold between 10 and 15m by the time the PS4 and 720 are released but can't see that happening now unless they cut the price. It's a shame, because it's an awesome console imo. :'o(

 

[E-phonk]

This seems in line with our (my) calculations in the france numbers thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=46588701&highlight=#post46588701

450-500k including the first 2 weeks of januari.

 

[Celine]

So is 3.8 million units sold a good number for vita compared to what 3DS sold this year? Won't this go down his year with no major game releases?

No, also keep in mind Vita was launched that year in US,Europe (with the realtively high sales launch weeks bring).

 

[Striek]

As i said in the PAL charts recently the software charts are misleading. Home consoles tend to have better representation on the charts regardless of hardware sales.

Well thats not misleading in the purpose of the charts. Handhelds traditionally have much lower attach rates, and 3DS and Vita even lower than normal.

 

[Taurus]

Terrible numbers for the wii U and i have no idea how they can turn things around. 360 putting up better numbers than i would have expected. It is definitely performing better than is often implied in sales threads.

1) Release interesting exclusive software
2) ???
3) Profit!

 

[Baki]

Wow, WiiU numbers were worse than I imagined. Nintendo over shipped by close to a million. Worst case scenario, they remain flat from this quarter. Best case, they sell 200k more units. But yeah, they'll miss their fiscal target by 800k.

 

[michaelius]

Well thats not misleading in the purpose of the charts. Handhelds traditionally have much lower attach rates, and 3DS and Vita even lower than normal.

Lower absolute sales - maybe
But attach rate is probably lot higher then for DS/PSP.

Lower hardware sales mean higher hardcore gamer ownership so attach rate should be higher.

 

[perfectchaos007]

why at their euro division? they are simply following orders from the japanese division no? that's where heads need to roll, they should have rolled after the 3ds debacle but didn't and thus we have the current wii u debacle.

The GAF Aggregate could run Nintendo's world wide operations better than their current company heads. Sure we may localize a couple of niche japanese games that never had a chance to sell well in other territories, but on the whole, we would be better. For starters, we would not have named this console the WiiU to avoid consumer confusion. The Wii already exists with tons of peripherals available, and the WiiU sounds like it could be a Wii peripheral. Worst of all, after the 2011 WiiU reveal, even the informed gaming public wasn't totally sure if the WiiU was a new console or peripheral because Nintendo only talked about the controller and not the console itself! The 3DS is finally gaining some momentum in the US, but the same issue kept it from taking off from the get go partially because the 3DS sounded like yet another DS revision to the general public.

Anyways, that's just one of the shared ideas from previous launch threads and those name changes alone would have sold more systems. Too late to give them name changes now, Nintendo has to live with the consequences.

 

[thehypocrite]

Finally, Numbers.

 

[Bruno MB]

Lower absolute sales - maybe
But attach rate is probably lot higher then for DS/PSP.

Lower hardware sales mean higher hardcore gamer ownership so attach rate should be higher.

NDS software attach rate dwarfs its competitors.

 

[Xater]

The 3DS market share is kind of impressive. It looks like in Europe it is bigger than the 360 one.

 

[LayLa]

Market share percentages

UK 3DS 24% Vita 10%
France 3DS 32% Vita 7%
Germany 3DS 26% Vita 4%
Spain 3DS 24% Vita 8%
Italy 3DS 22% Vita 5%
Netherland 3DS 24% Vita 5%
Belgium 3DS 27% Vita 6%

3DS doing well considering the spotty EU software release schedule, in France almost 1/3 of the market
Vita doing relatively ok in UK, but taking a pasting everywhere else especially Germany, ouch

 

[Burai]

You know what? I thought 3DS was doing way worse hardwarewise in UK, especially looking at all the top 40s. Instead, it's just behind 360 and actually slightly ahead of PS3. And not that far behind 360. I'm not saying it's a good result ( it isn't), but I thought it was way worse.

Also: 3DS is the best selling console not just in France (where it's beasting), but in Belgium and Italy too looking at this chart

That's because it's easy to get caught up in the Nintendo fanboy "UK don't buy Nintendo products, don't use the UK as a benchmark for Wii U sales!" damage control that gets spouted every week.

It just isn't true. It never has been on the handheld side and hasn't been true since the Wii launched.

 

[SmokyDave]

Market share percentages

UK 3DS 24% Vita 10%
France 3DS 32% Vita 7%
Germany 3DS 26% Vita 4%
Spain 3DS 24% Vita 8%
Italy 3DS 22% Vita 5%
Netherland 3DS 24% Vita 5%
Belgium 3DS 27% Vita 6%

3DS doing well considering the spotty EU software release schedule, in France almost 1/3 of the market
Vita doing relatively ok in UK, but taking a pasting everywhere else especially Germany, ouch

Do we know Vita marketshare numbers for US & Japan?

If it has the highest marketshare in the UK, I'm going to exploded with nationalistic pride.

 

[pieatorium]

Do we know Vita marketshare numbers for US & Japan?

If it has the highest marketshare in the UK, I'm going to exploded with nationalistic pride.

It's definitely under 10% in both

 

[SmokyDave]

It's definitely under 10% in both

 

[Mpl90]

Market share percentages

UK 3DS 24% Vita 10%
France 3DS 32% Vita 7%
Germany 3DS 26% Vita 4%
Spain 3DS 24% Vita 8%
Italy 3DS 22% Vita 5%
Netherland 3DS 24% Vita 5%
Belgium 3DS 27% Vita 6%

3DS doing well considering the spotty EU software release schedule, in France almost 1/3 of the market
Vita doing relatively ok in UK, but taking a pasting everywhere else especially Germany, ouch

Could you do the same for all the other consoles? Thanks

 

[javac]

SmokyDave putting that Near app to good use ;p

 

[Carl]

High five British vitabros.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Still kinda shocked its below 500k. An unmitigated disaster. Seems like Nintendo has forsaken the entirety of Europe at this point if they're really not prepared to make a savage pricecut barring a fluke fad out of nowhere in the vein of Nintendogs/Brain Training.

VITA UK FORCE REPRESENTTTTTTTTTTTT~

 

[Goldrusher]

Xbox country:

UK
55% 360
45% PS3

---------------

PS3 zone:

Belgium
78% PS3
22% 360

Spain
74% PS3
26% 360

France
67% PS3
33% 360

Germany
67% PS3
33% 360

Netherlands
64% PS3
36% 360

Italy
59% PS3
41% 360

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Jesus those Wii U numbers are insane.

I don't know how much more it costs in Europe relative to the dollar but it needs a price cut.

 

[Mpl90]

Xbox country:

UK
55% 360
45% PS3

---------------

PS3 zone:

Belgium
78% PS3
22% 360

Spain
74% PS3
26% 360

France
67% PS3
33% 360

Germany
67% PS3
33% 360

Netherlands
64% PS3
36% 360

Italy
59% PS3
41% 360

Err, I was thinking about numbers like LayLa posted, so total market share, not just HD market share.

 

[liger05]

Bad Wii U sales.

Vita is dead.

 

[Katana_Strikes]

Completely amazed by the huge drop off of the Wii in the UK compared to other European countries. In fact it looks like Vita outsold the Wii and Wii U combined in the UK.

Seems to be good hardware shares for the 3DS, though software paints a different picture.

 

[javac]

Still kinda shocked its below 500k. An unmitigated disaster. Seems like Nintendo has forsaken the entirety of Europe at this point if they're really not prepared to make a savage pricecut barring a fluke fad out of nowhere in the vein of Nintendogs/Brain Training.

VITA UK FORCE REPRESENTTTTTTTTTTTT~

Basically

Wii U sold bad so its a bomb and should be punished! Wii was a fad! Fluke!

Vita selling bad so obviously the PSP was a fad/fluke but who cares? Its awesome!

I never understood this? Is it the mentality that you want to defend the underdog? People enjoy the Wii U too, even with its lack of sales/games :/

 

[shinra-bansho]

Err, I was thinking about numbers like LayLa posted, so total market share, not just HD market share.

	Percent	Units (000s)
3DS	23.13	584
NDS	2.8	71
WII	7.09	179
WIU	3.17	80
PSP	2.61	66
PSV	10.07	254
PS3	22.39	565
360	28.54	720

For UK. Units estimate extrapolated from 80K for Wii U.

 

[Mpl90]

	Percent	Units (000s)
3DS	23.13	584
NDS	2.8	71
WII	7.09	179
WIU	3.17	80
PSP	2.61	66
PSV	10.07	254
PS3	22.39	565
360	28.54	720

For UK. Units estimate extrapolated from 80K for Wii U.

I was talking for all Europe, but nice contribution!

 

[Carl]

So which sold more on week 52? WiiU or Vita? It looks close... very close

WiiU maybe just edges it?