We've seen it happen a couple of times and their description of what they do does make it seem like that's a possibility, but I'd hope people were aware enough to catch on to that type of thing.
I really hope it's not like that.
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John Walker's anti-BS SimCity news articles.
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We've seen it happen a couple of times and their description of what they do does make it seem like that's a possibility, but I'd hope people were aware enough to catch on to that type of thing.
I really hope it's not like that.
Really? That tweet was pretty cringeworthy but he always seemed decent enough in other podcasts and shows I'd seen him in. Surprised he'd draw strong opinions either way like that.
I was wondering if someone would catch on to my description. >.>
Unfortunately that describes the website quite well as well.
So, in other words, they're shills?
Edit: oh, they're actually like polygon? Man, that's, like, on a whole other level.
I'm being serious. Polygon and advertising firms are indistinguishable unless I assume you had access to their income data
Heh, I guess that is an apt description as well... I guess we can start calling them the Andy Rooney effect(or explanation)?
Shot's fired shot's fired, man your stations!
Snowden's Secret
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That's because they are literally the worst parts of those websites put together.
Ya, as soon as they were mentioned I wasnt able to really care about the hype originally surrounding them, it came off as glorified bloviating, something you see all the time in the tech and financial industry.
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What goes around is all around.
All I know is this entire situation is a shit tornado, with a bunch of execs climbing up shit ropes. And we know what happens when you climb a shit rope. It's a rope covered in shit. The shit acts like grease-the harder you try to hang on the faster you slide down.
I found the whitepaper for the marketing strategy EA hired Azyenberg group, mainly on media coordination, as we are all seeing:
http://www.ayzenberg.com/assets/whitepaper/Earned_Media_Guarantee.pdf
it's interesting to see how everything is broken down to a formula.
also an interview with the creator http://promaxbda.org/news-media/blog/promax-blog/2012/10/25/ayzenberg's-earned-media-performance-guarantee
"Justin W. Sanders spoke with Ayzenberg’s Chris Younger, principal and VP of strategy, and Simon Ward, director of strategic development, to hear more about the mechanics of sharing, the "vagueness of virility" and how a company can guarantee results at the tricky convergence of earned, paid and owned media."
http://www.ayzenberg.com/assets/whitepaper/Earned_Media_Guarantee.pdf
it's interesting to see how everything is broken down to a formula.
also an interview with the creator http://promaxbda.org/news-media/blog/promax-blog/2012/10/25/ayzenberg's-earned-media-performance-guarantee
"Justin W. Sanders spoke with Ayzenberg’s Chris Younger, principal and VP of strategy, and Simon Ward, director of strategic development, to hear more about the mechanics of sharing, the "vagueness of virility" and how a company can guarantee results at the tricky convergence of earned, paid and owned media."
Ya, that link plus the interview make it seem pretty obvious that their goal is to be directly tied to the mediums that are supposed to be the ones that separate the consumer from the publisher. Instead, the advacocy of this seems more like a decisive plan to remove the wall and just have:
Publisher/developer PR-Games Media PR-Consumer PR-Consumer-Games Media PR-Advertisement PR-DLC PR.
Setup in this way the consumer has to work very hard(and games media not PR) to be able to sift through the BS. It is incredibly anti-consumer, but probably very effective in driving a narrative that they want. Hopefully consumers start to more and more catch on.
Palette Swap
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The funny part is that their formula is vague as fuck in the metrics it uses. They don't define the way they measure value.
("vagueness of virility", lol, paging Freud)
eot
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Just wondering, does he write any features at all? I just see his name pop up when people are laughing about some review.
It doesn't matter if he's a decent dude or not, he's a journalist reporting on video games. He's not trying to be your friend and he doesn't want you to be his (unless you're selling games, evidently).
He could be the bestest person ever but he's a shit journo and it's hard to see how he has any credibility after this.
oh my god this reply
Wow.
WOW.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.
I remember Matt C. getting money from generous people on GAF after the 1UP layoffs.
Neuromancer
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I tipped RPS $5 for their excellent and continuing coverage of this train wreck of a game.
Matt C. is talkingorange, right? He was a producer of the 1UP Show. After the layoffs a bunch of GAF members donated money to both the 1UP Show guys and former members of GFW Radio (which became Rebel FM).
WrenchNinja
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Does aegies even post here any more? I remember him talking about secret sauce or something for the durango in one of the PS4 threads
Neuromancer
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He's mad at us
Ya, only thing is linking twitter caps can get harry, since it is all relevant to SimCity and John, I havnt created another topic on this. I assume this is something that could be added to the journalist/doritos mega thread, but beyond that, the twitter stuff would be talked out of fairly quickly to relegate it to its own topic. I would think it would need an over reaching theme, and outside of this(SimCity) item of discussion, specifically, I have not noticed anything new.
If anything, I think whoever created the journalism/megathread needs to recreate a version 2, so it isn't an echo chamber anymore, imo.
That thread needs a reboot, imo. Maybe Papersleeves/someone is willing to reboot, so discussion can reform, without all the 100's of pages in between.
Puppet Shadow
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Yeah that thread is super old so no one checks it out anymore. Also, new threads for new news.
bigdaddygamebot
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Always
Fine Ham Abounds
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I haven't been a dedicated PC gamer in almost 30 years, but RPS is about the only gaming site I bother reading other than GAF.
Well, there was that New Vegas review...
Jake Tower
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It was 1UP FM that became Rebel FM.
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wait so do some people believe that having integrity means never admitting you're wrong?
would also explain part of the problem with republicans....
would also explain part of the problem with republicans....
I have over 100 hours replaying it. Awesome game.
What Steam skin is that?
Area 5 was kick-started (ha) by fan funding as well.
IISANDERII
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I almost never read gaming articles because it's mostly boring shite. And it's boring shite because it seems like the profession is under a gag order or that it's an extension of a PR arm for publishers. They're filled with fear. There's never anything hard hitting[no, bad reviews don't count at all].
I'll watch a hundred episodes of 60 Minutes before I watch one interview with my favourite developer. Gaming journalism is just a circle jerk of rainbows and fluffy bunnies.
So here we are again with somebody trying to get to a real story or ask the questions that need to be asked, and what happens? They're all but ostracized.
Keep fighting, John Walker and the few like him. Fuck everybody else, including the apathetic who just sit there and watch it go down.
I'll watch a hundred episodes of 60 Minutes before I watch one interview with my favourite developer. Gaming journalism is just a circle jerk of rainbows and fluffy bunnies.
So here we are again with somebody trying to get to a real story or ask the questions that need to be asked, and what happens? They're all but ostracized.
Keep fighting, John Walker and the few like him. Fuck everybody else, including the apathetic who just sit there and watch it go down.
Yup. Right on the money. So embarrassing for so many members of this development team, for EA, and for the "journalists" who have accommodated their bullshit.
What's fucking new, right?
Matt C's tweet actually would have made sense if it was sent to John Walker instead
Puppet Shadow
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It's called Blue Pulse.
Either way. There were two donation pools - one for the video stuff (Matt C. and Ryan O'Donnell) and another for the podcast stuff (Anthony Gallegos and others)...
Just saying that's kind of a shitty thing to say from someone who benefited from the generosity of those he's now insulting.
Lactose_Intolerant
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haha, oh man
EmCeeGramr
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The weirdest thing about Polygon's coverage was that I'm like 99% sure that Arthur or someone else at one point made it very clear that Polygon, like many other sites, was proudly waiting until the game came out to review it instead of kowtowing to EA's review event shenanigans.
Then shortly before the review's publishing they suddenly said "whoops, disregard that," and now they had an early review of SimCity filled with hyperbole and awarded a 9.5. Meanwhile, even sites like IGN and GameInformer waited until after the release to actually review it, and were far harsher and more critically evaluative of SimCity. Polygon was forced to lower their score twice to save face as the disaster of a launch unfolds, their review standards became an online joke amongst their readers and journalistic peers, MetaCritic permanently branded their initial lauaghable score on the history books, and a half-dozen cascading stories of progressive Maxis failure have become the most popular on their site for days.
Then shortly before the review's publishing they suddenly said "whoops, disregard that," and now they had an early review of SimCity filled with hyperbole and awarded a 9.5. Meanwhile, even sites like IGN and GameInformer waited until after the release to actually review it, and were far harsher and more critically evaluative of SimCity. Polygon was forced to lower their score twice to save face as the disaster of a launch unfolds, their review standards became an online joke amongst their readers and journalistic peers, MetaCritic permanently branded their initial lauaghable score on the history books, and a half-dozen cascading stories of progressive Maxis failure have become the most popular on their site for days.
funkystudent
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Never apologising and never admiring you are wrong are key skills needed for Video Game Journalism.
The closest we might get is he might find a way to blame his actions all on someone else.
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