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Okay, TeamCG. Come own up to your foolishness. #trolljima

Is Joakim Mogren CG?


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Kerub

Banned
Yeah it has to feel weird for him. People doubting he's real, inspecting him to find things that are "un-natural" to prove that he's not real. Kind of a weird situation to be in.
 

abrack08

Member
Now that I've been watching it in HD properly on GT (instead of a crappy quality flipped video), it looks pretty darn real to me.

His eyes at times are still strange though, and I do still think an animator could animate his facial features in a convincing manner with the right tools however.

But eh, it was fun to speculate based on a crappy YouTube video. ;)

http://www.hark.com/clips/fqddkfdyqd-dump-truck-backing-up-1
Shame, it was you, MormaPope, and NoirVisage I was most looking forward to eating crow :)
 
Previously I saw the mirrored youtube video on my phone, when I said I'm inclined to side with TeamCG because I want to believe. But now I saw the GT one in HD on my calibrated monitor in full screen... yeah

Sorry TeamCG, I'm defecting.
 

Makai

Member
For the record, there is actually no editing. You can repeat the experiment yourself with the video and advancing frames between 1:05:10 and 1:05:11.

Although it does somewhat ruin the comedic timing... ;)

For the record, "the tooth is out there" had me rolling, especially since I was watching X-Files at the time.
 
oops, forgot:

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Makai

Member
Okay, I just watched the HD GameTrailers version and I have to admit I'm losing faith.

Fuck it. I'm already in too deep. #TeamCG4Lyfe

Geoff looks HIGHHHHHHHH
 

Alastor3

Member
imagine that Joakim, before the interview, was actually a member of GAF, and he is now with us, commenting on if he is CG or not.
 

Des0lar

will learn eventually
But you can't even see his nose. It's squished under those tight bandages.

I am talking about the bridge (is it called that in english?), the part of the nose that is between the eyes. It looks unnatural to me, and when I asked my GF that was the first thing she noticed too.
 

Dahbomb

Member
its Cg

viral marketing for fox engine,they say we will hear more at GDC
thats for developers.to demonstrate the engine.
To demonstrate a realtime engine they will be showing... CG?

This does not make any sense to me, why would Kojima debut the Fox engine by showing off CG? Unless Joakim is made of realtime features of the Fox engine, now that would be godly.
 

genjiZERO

Member
Looking at it in HD and non-flipped definitely makes it look more real. However, there are still some really curious things.

First, even if it's real it doesn't seem like it was recorded it in the same room. The lighting, audio is all subtlety different.

Second, it's curious you see nothing of him except for the head and neck, and the remainder of the image is black on black.

Third, the whole iPad thing looks like it was filmed separately as well. In the "shock" scene I think I'd expect to see something - arm movement, the iPad, etc. There's no sense that there was actual body movement form the scene before (which there would have to be based on the positioning of the iPad and the hand controlling it.

Fourth, the hand is a bit more olive than the guys head. It's almost like it's really the hand of a Japanese dude...

So I'm still sticking with #TeamCG... What evidence there is seems to suggest, at a minimum, that something is "off" about the whole thing, and #TeamReal doesn't seem to offer any argument other than "if you think it's fake you are crazy" or "CG hasn't reached that level yet"... We'll see.... Damn, this whole thing is giving me a headache.
 

sTeLioSco

Banned
To demonstrate a realtime engine they will be showing... CG?

This does not make any sense to me, why would Kojima debut the Fox engine by showing off CG? Unless Joakim is made of realtime features of the Fox engine, now that would be godly.

to show the engines capabilities.you cant make a face like that with idtech2

or it could be a realtime tech demo. just a face running on next gen hardware? maybe
 

Shayan

Banned
It could be a surgery done on his nose:


And this is not CG before people start going off the wall.

well we know for certain that Konami has nailed it since they have been advertising comparison screenshots with real life in the last few weeks

FOX engine can really help PES regain its lost popularity too

BELIEVE TEAMCG!

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thats easily possible on both next ps and xbox. 8 gig ram dude. you can hold all the large textures u want
 

Sorian

Banned
What if Joakim does end up being real and the core teamcg members refuse to accept that they couldn't make a real time cg talking head and then they just say fuck it and make a cg Joakim themselves that can react in real time. NeoGAF is suddenly the next big game developer.
 

RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
I wish I could go back in time to when I said that the Ground Zeroes reveal was the most straight forward of all of Kojima's reveals and show myself this thread.
 

Sorian

Banned
I wish I could go back in time to when I said that the Ground Zeroes reveal was the most straight forward of all of Kojima's reveals and show myself this thread.

You would just think your future self was a construct made by Kojima to confuse you.

Edit: I also like to pretend that Kojima doesn't actually have a marketing team and he just sits awake, in the darkness, every night thinking of schemes like this to push his games and ideas.
 
Looking at it in HD and non-flipped definitely makes it look more real. However, there are still some really curious things.

First, even if it's real it doesn't seem like it was recorded it in the same room. The lighting, audio is all subtlety different.

Second, it's curious you see nothing of him except for the head and neck, and the remainder of the image is black on black.

Third, the whole iPad thing looks like it was filmed separately as well. In the "shock" scene I think I'd expect to see something - arm movement, the iPad, etc. There's no sense that there was actual body movement form the scene before (which there would have to be based on the positioning of the iPad and the hand controlling it.

Fourth, the hand is a bit more olive than the guys head. It's almost like it's really the hand of a Japanese dude...

So I'm still sticking with #TeamCG... What evidence there is seems to suggest, at a minimum, that something is "off" about the whole thing, and #TeamReal doesn't seem to offer any argument other than "if you think it's fake you are crazy" or "CG hasn't reached that level yet"... We'll see.... Damn, this whole thing is giving me a headache.

All the things you mentioned can be explained by it more likely to be a fake interview. It's a PR stunt in the vein of a hammy pseudo-interview, complete with exaggerated acting and accent. It's perfectly in line with the whole fake CEO, fake company, and bandaged man that Kojima's marketing team has done so far, not to mention Kojima's history for crazy antics. That's why it's so "off". It's meant to be off.
 

RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
well we know for certain that Konami has nailed it since they have been advertising comparison screenshots with real life in the last few weeks

FOX engine can really help PES regain its lost popularity too



thats easily possible on both next ps and xbox. 8 gig ram dude. you can hold all the large textures u want
That's supposedly what the PS3 version will look like.
 

Gui_PT

Member
I am talking about the bridge (is it called that in english?), the part of the nose that is between the eyes. It looks unnatural to me, and when I asked my GF that was the first thing she noticed too.

Oh Christ...

And how did you ask her? Bet you asked in a way that'd make her think the nose is weird.
 
its Cg

viral marketing for fox engine,they say we will hear more at GDC
thats for developers.to demonstrate the engine.

This is why I still hold that this could be true. It was odd to pick GDC as the place to fully unveil the game and its "secrets", no? Normally Kojima would just hold off until E3.
 
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