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Capcom USA VP Disappointed By Darkstalkers Resurrection Sales
- Thread starter Takao
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Well how about...
BlazBlue: CT
BlazBlue: CS
BlazBlue: CS2
BlazBlue: CSEX
BlazBlue: CP
Well, a lot of those reeditions have been done as DLCs.
Fright Zone
Member
I'm a big fan of Capcom fighters and DS but like many didn't buy it as I'm a bit burnt out on fighters at the moment.
I will buy it when it goes on sale but it's not worth the full price to me, I don't have the time to get back into it competitively so I'm just going to mess around with it now and again.
It should have come out before MVC Origins and JoJo.
I will buy it when it goes on sale but it's not worth the full price to me, I don't have the time to get back into it competitively so I'm just going to mess around with it now and again.
It should have come out before MVC Origins and JoJo.
Tizoc
Member
What did they take out? The games are the arcade versions of the DS2 and 3. Donovan, Pyron and Phobos were not in the original DS3 to begin with far as I know.
Yeah, but they've been in every console port save the OG saturn release, right? I assume most people would think they're part of the roster.
You got me there, except I'm pretty sure one or two of those were DLC updates. Dunno which ones (don't care/follow Blazblue very much).
Still, people make it sound as if every fighter is getting an update every 6 months and they have to pay for it when such an occasion is actually an exception to the rule.
Professor Beef
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Hours Left
Member
If you look at it that way, then technically nothing was "taken out", but most people are familiar with the ports that have the additional characters.
It's beyond me why Capcom didn't include them with the option to ban them in online play for purists, just like they did with Oboro Bishamon. (Or just have a separate arrange mode.)
Arcade perfect is great, but not when in comes at the expense of having the most complete experience possible. Not everyone plays fighting games for the super hardcore FGC aspects of it, something I'm hoping Capcom is starting to realize.
Star Falcon
Member
It would help if they didn't charge such a high price for it.
PAULINK
I microwave steaks.
If it was $10, I would have bought it without hesitation. I was already burnt out for paying 15 for marvel super heroes/ mvc1. Now i'm just waiting for that inevitable sale.
toddhunter
Member
Logged in, saw it was $21.95. Laughed and logged out again. I think you would have to be pretty seriously into it to pay that much, and if you are that into it? You'd already have one version of the game or another.
joffocakes
Member
It's 1200 points, that's under ten pounds? That's not too bad at all for two games, really. Jojos being 1600 points was pretty ludicrous though. I'd never really even heard of it, manga or game, and likely still wouldn't have if I hadn't been reading shoryuken.com daily.
thesolidshark
Member
I guess Capcom's sales disappointment is like my disappointment at those missing characters. Still getting it down the line, but the way it's been described by players, there's no rush when I've got the PS2 version handy.
Bringing back the arcade scene would be pretty great, but I'm with Beef on some of the console advantages. I end up being better at something when I can practice with them. Either way, more offline play anywhere is ideal.
Most (older) KOF fans will change your quote to '98.
Bringing back the arcade scene would be pretty great, but I'm with Beef on some of the console advantages. I end up being better at something when I can practice with them. Either way, more offline play anywhere is ideal.
Most (older) KOF fans will change your quote to '98.
Red Liquorice
Member
Continue making the new one, but stick Ryu and Akuma on the box, problem solved.
Triple Da G.O.D!
Member
Not surprised in the least this is where this is going at all. Easy to condemn the future of the series based on this. I will give Capcom a bit of credit. They are standing behind the game and giving it a nice push by featuring it at tourneys and such. In the end if you're a fan for whatever reason and you want to see more you'll have to pay into this to show Capcom you want more. As eloquently displayed in this situation.
This just means we're never seeing Aliens vs Predator. I got dibs on Linn though. And all those compilations that could've been. Shame.
I don't mind it and nor have I. And to be quite honest with the Hunter Chain and how it works is that moves of that ilk can be linked into which takes a lot of the sting of doing them on command. You'd be surprised how major that is especially in Savior where characters have that as a safe and major damage option.
Not enough people play Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code v1.07. If they did...
Both of those games are the Vampire Darkstalkers Collection versions of the roms they used in DR. So not having some option for using either the Arranged Mode in VS or even acknowledging in some form that VH2 & VS2 even exist wasn't the smart thing. And all the options that VDC gives you to alter the games should've been included as well. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they were going for the arcade version so I can forgive but not forget on this one.
Vampire, Vampire Hunter 1 & 2, Vampire Savior 1 & 2, Vampire Chronicle for Matching Service, Marvel vs Capcom 1 & 2 & Capcom vs SNK 1, Pro & 2. I only could pull out 11.
Being technical about it because Savior was the sprite they used for as a basis her & the rest of the cast outside of Savior/VH2/VS2 (MvC2 and Capcom Fighting Jam) you could drop both Vampire & Vampire Hunter 1 because the Savior sprite isn't a 1:1 for either one of those games which would put that count at 9 games. Then her MvC sprites are dramatically different from any of her others which would then put that count to 7.
To be honest the only time where this even mattered was in Capcom vs SNK because of how she looked in contrast to those Alpha sprites. In all honesty if they did a Kyosuke sprite they could've easily done something for her where she wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb.
So all in all it isn't as bad as people like to tout it to be.
It does but with 4 players there's only so much you can get out of that. The thing with that is the Level Up system does change those VS fights depending on who've you selected. You don't get the same fight from L1 characters that L32 characters give. The thing is that you need to not only play the Story Mode but Versus as well to fully level your character up and have all their tools available to you for battle. It does encourage multiple playthroughs of the Story Mode (especially important for Leo) so you can get the best out of each of them.
Capcom really had something in Warzard and no idea why they didn't follow up on it somehow. Again, shame.
I wonder when Mei-Ling will break out of her cameo role and actually be featured in something like the rest of her cast mates?
This just means we're never seeing Aliens vs Predator. I got dibs on Linn though. And all those compilations that could've been. Shame.
I don't mind it and nor have I. And to be quite honest with the Hunter Chain and how it works is that moves of that ilk can be linked into which takes a lot of the sting of doing them on command. You'd be surprised how major that is especially in Savior where characters have that as a safe and major damage option.
Not enough people play Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code v1.07. If they did...
Both of those games are the Vampire Darkstalkers Collection versions of the roms they used in DR. So not having some option for using either the Arranged Mode in VS or even acknowledging in some form that VH2 & VS2 even exist wasn't the smart thing. And all the options that VDC gives you to alter the games should've been included as well. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they were going for the arcade version so I can forgive but not forget on this one.
Vampire, Vampire Hunter 1 & 2, Vampire Savior 1 & 2, Vampire Chronicle for Matching Service, Marvel vs Capcom 1 & 2 & Capcom vs SNK 1, Pro & 2. I only could pull out 11.
Being technical about it because Savior was the sprite they used for as a basis her & the rest of the cast outside of Savior/VH2/VS2 (MvC2 and Capcom Fighting Jam) you could drop both Vampire & Vampire Hunter 1 because the Savior sprite isn't a 1:1 for either one of those games which would put that count at 9 games. Then her MvC sprites are dramatically different from any of her others which would then put that count to 7.
To be honest the only time where this even mattered was in Capcom vs SNK because of how she looked in contrast to those Alpha sprites. In all honesty if they did a Kyosuke sprite they could've easily done something for her where she wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb.
So all in all it isn't as bad as people like to tout it to be.
It does but with 4 players there's only so much you can get out of that. The thing with that is the Level Up system does change those VS fights depending on who've you selected. You don't get the same fight from L1 characters that L32 characters give. The thing is that you need to not only play the Story Mode but Versus as well to fully level your character up and have all their tools available to you for battle. It does encourage multiple playthroughs of the Story Mode (especially important for Leo) so you can get the best out of each of them.
Capcom really had something in Warzard and no idea why they didn't follow up on it somehow. Again, shame.
I wonder when Mei-Ling will break out of her cameo role and actually be featured in something like the rest of her cast mates?
I bought the game, and surprised I liked it like I did, but not surprised at the "poor" sales.
The hardcore FGC isn't that big, and they are the only ones who would buy this. Skullgirls had the advantage of outside animation appeal- more of their fans will hit an anime con over a major.
If your game isn't named SF, Marvel, Smash, MK, or maybe Soul Calibur- you are going to have a tough time selling outside the hardcore market (and Soul Calibur probably lost that Status this gen) This is espectially true after last year, when very few FG fans are actively looking for a new game- everyone has the game they love now.
The FG boom is over right now, and the market is stabilizing around a slightly higher norm than before. I do think this might bode ill for next-gen, depending on if FG's can be profitable at these levels of sales.
The proper time to release a big-name new fighter probably won't be until late 2014-early 2015 when next-gen has about a year on it.
The hardcore FGC isn't that big, and they are the only ones who would buy this. Skullgirls had the advantage of outside animation appeal- more of their fans will hit an anime con over a major.
If your game isn't named SF, Marvel, Smash, MK, or maybe Soul Calibur- you are going to have a tough time selling outside the hardcore market (and Soul Calibur probably lost that Status this gen) This is espectially true after last year, when very few FG fans are actively looking for a new game- everyone has the game they love now.
The FG boom is over right now, and the market is stabilizing around a slightly higher norm than before. I do think this might bode ill for next-gen, depending on if FG's can be profitable at these levels of sales.
The proper time to release a big-name new fighter probably won't be until late 2014-early 2015 when next-gen has about a year on it.
nailbombxx
Member
Because re-releasing an old game digitally is a huge financial risk.
Part of the problem is that fighting game players have to dedicate their time to a select few games or they would otherwise fall behind. As a fan of these fighters, it's simply not worth my time to go back and try the series after seeing how 3SO and MvC2 didn't revive that community. Furthermore without an HD Remix type of balance change I'm already years behind the curve. The only reason to go back to these is nostalgia.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Just give me a SFA HD Collection. Or hell, just an HD remaster of the Dreamcast version of SFA3. Then you can stop releasing HD remasters, Capcom.
Augemitbutter
Member
i got the capcom e-shop version!
i wish more people were playing. it's pretty much dead on gaf.
i wish more people were playing. it's pretty much dead on gaf.
DecoyOctopus
Member
Huh? It seems it's doing pretty well!
What did they expect?! (Yes, that's a rhetorical question)
What did they expect?! (Yes, that's a rhetorical question)
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
And if you take out the full PS3 games, it's third place, behind only Journey and Terraria. Seriously, what did they expect here?
Karsticles
Member
I sent Sven the following PM, and thought people might be interested:
Tizoc
Member
Understandable, altho I could see Pyron, Donovan and Phobos being added to DS3 as DLC...and so long as they're $3 for all 3, I'm cool with it.
As is I have the games as they would be and have been played in Japan for the past years, so I'm good.
I wonder how the Japanese scene feels about this release...
But they released this game based on their past experiences with fanboy cries for rereleases. So they were trying to match their development process to the level of anticipation they thought they could accurately perceive.
The price is another matter.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
Another Capcom game underperforming?
Ouch
Ouch
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Worked for Marvel vs Capcom 2. Of course, MVC2, Super Turbo, and 3rd Strike were the only legacy fighters that still had sizeable fanbases, so those rereleases sold well and their sequels sold well.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Probably more like Capcom setting their expectations too high yet again (lol 1.5 million for Dragon's Dogma).
SolarPowered
Member
It's the best thing to happen to HD re-releases and the IP in a while.
Everything underperforms to a company in dire straights. Here's looking at you, Square.
Capcom must be hungry for a surprise hit after all the middling results from the last year and a half. I like to think that it would be doing okay to them had it come out a year earlier when the market wasn't so crowded.
Very straightforward letter. Good of you to write to him and explain why you didn't buy. More people should do that.
Jawmuncher
Member
Well at least DS fans got something.
They still haven't thrown a bone to Resident Evil Outbreak with online.
They still haven't thrown a bone to Resident Evil Outbreak with online.
Tizoc
Member
Funnily enough, none of those are a problem for me, but I see where you're going with that.
You'll be getting the PS2 ver. of CvSNK2, and even if THAT got a PSN/XBL release with online, I'd see the same issue show up.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Yes.
yurinka
Member
Add enough value to your product and price it properly. This game missed the sequels of these games, the original Darkstalkers and was way too expensive, so they are morons if were expecting great sales.
Extra stuff like EX options from the PSX version and the Tower Mode of the PSP version would have been a nice addition.
But by far the main problem is it's pricing. With the current content it should have been $7.99 or lower. Jojo game suffered the same issues, and this is the main reason of why I didn't buy both games even if I'm a huge fan of the Capcom 2D fighters.
And then after the abusive pricing of their downloadable fighters and other retro game, their 2nd biggest problem are their unrealistic sales expectations. They use to be too high, so even games who did a good work in both of quality and sales they are seen as 'failures'.
I assume will buy them if had the proper price cut in PSN. And will buy day one Darkstalkers IV if it has the same quality than all the Capcom fighters of this gen. I even love SFxT, I don't understand why it receives all the hate.
Extra stuff like EX options from the PSX version and the Tower Mode of the PSP version would have been a nice addition.
But by far the main problem is it's pricing. With the current content it should have been $7.99 or lower. Jojo game suffered the same issues, and this is the main reason of why I didn't buy both games even if I'm a huge fan of the Capcom 2D fighters.
And then after the abusive pricing of their downloadable fighters and other retro game, their 2nd biggest problem are their unrealistic sales expectations. They use to be too high, so even games who did a good work in both of quality and sales they are seen as 'failures'.
I assume will buy them if had the proper price cut in PSN. And will buy day one Darkstalkers IV if it has the same quality than all the Capcom fighters of this gen. I even love SFxT, I don't understand why it receives all the hate.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
I bought it day one, but I can't say I'm surprised. DS has always been kinda niche outside Japan.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
SFxT is amazing. I hope he ignores you.
"Our game didn't sell well enough" = blaming the audience?
SolarPowered
Member
I don't think it sold in Japan either. I've been following the PSN JP charts since Skullgirls came out(It broke it's expected LTD by week 2 of 7) and I never saw Resurrection chart once. I got the screen captures too.