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Nintendo Downloads - May 2013
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Glass Rebel
Member
Badly worded on my part, I meant inferior for GBA emulation. I'm just going off the above posts so correct me if I'm wrong but I got the impression that it make them work, seeing as the Ambassador games run in native mode.
This week in Europe
Nintendo eShop (Wii U)
Resident Evil Revelations Demo (Capcom, available tomorrow) - Free
Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo, NES VC) - €4.99/£3.49
[This is the US version of the game.]
Super Ghouls'n Ghosts (Capcom, SNES VC) - €7.99/£5.49
[This is the US version of the game.]
Super Metroid (Nintendo, SNES VC) - €0.30/£0.30 (Ends June 14, normally €7.99)
[This is the European version of the game, which was optimised originally by the developer to offer gameplay and music speed similar to the US version. Demos and animations may run at PAL speed. The aspect ratio has been corrected for this release.]
Special offers
Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition (Namco Bandai) - €29.99/£23.99 (Permanent, before €54.99/£37.49)
BIT.TRIP Presents... Runner2: Future Legend of Rhythm Alien (Gaijin Games) - €8.99/£8.00 (Ends May 30, normally €11.99/£10.79
Nintendo eShop (3DS)
The Starship Damrey (Level-5) - €7.99/£7.19
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity (Nintendo) - €39.99/£34.99
Mega Man 5 (Capcom, NES VC) - €4.99/£4.49
Retro Pocket (UFO Interactive) - €4.99/£4.49
Special offers
Planet Crashers 3D (Ignition Entertainment) - €6.99/£6.29 (End May 30, normally €9.99/£8.99)
Nintendo eShop (Wii U)
Resident Evil Revelations Demo (Capcom, available tomorrow) - Free
Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo, NES VC) - €4.99/£3.49
[This is the US version of the game.]
Super Ghouls'n Ghosts (Capcom, SNES VC) - €7.99/£5.49
[This is the US version of the game.]
Super Metroid (Nintendo, SNES VC) - €0.30/£0.30 (Ends June 14, normally €7.99)
[This is the European version of the game, which was optimised originally by the developer to offer gameplay and music speed similar to the US version. Demos and animations may run at PAL speed. The aspect ratio has been corrected for this release.]
Special offers
Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition (Namco Bandai) - €29.99/£23.99 (Permanent, before €54.99/£37.49)
BIT.TRIP Presents... Runner2: Future Legend of Rhythm Alien (Gaijin Games) - €8.99/£8.00 (Ends May 30, normally €11.99/£10.79
Nintendo eShop (3DS)
The Starship Damrey (Level-5) - €7.99/£7.19
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity (Nintendo) - €39.99/£34.99
Mega Man 5 (Capcom, NES VC) - €4.99/£4.49
Retro Pocket (UFO Interactive) - €4.99/£4.49
Special offers
Planet Crashers 3D (Ignition Entertainment) - €6.99/£6.29 (End May 30, normally €9.99/£8.99)
frankie_baby
Member
good to see the permanent reduction in tekken may pick it up sometime, though need to clear some of my backlog and buy a harddrive (i'm right thinking ts pretty huge aren't i?)
If I remember it's something like 17GB. I'm still awaiting a hard-drive purchase before I get anymore (non-Virtual Console) games.
frankie_baby
Member
so yeah i'd need a harddrive
Robin64
Member
Oh Nintendo, you absolutely fucked up this time. This was THE game that needed to be the US version. Absolute morons.
frankie_baby
Member
i'm not really bothered, enjoyed playing the pal version as a teenager not really knowing any better and cant really see it needing to be faster, plus i'd imagine there'd be far more complaints from french and german people if they forced it to be in english
because the game has so much text to read?
Robin64
Member
It's not about being faster.
See, this will be "sped up" to match the US speed, but that has two drawbacks.
Firstly, the game will be moving the same physical distance as the US one in the same time, but because we're running at 50hz rather than 60hz, that means that every so often a frame is dropped. It creates a jerkier experience.
Secondly, because the game is only reading inputs 50 times per second rather than 60, the controls themselves will feel a little sluggish. If you hit an unlucky missing frame, you have to wait til the next draw. And for a game like Super Metroid, this is pretty crucial.
Cosmonaut X
Member
Time to hit up Miiverse with complaints about Super Metroid, then. I understand the position re: localised games, but there should be no reason why a US version couldn't be offered as an alternative, especially now it's clear NoE will release US versions here.
So why can't they actually put some effort into VC and give us more options?
frankie_baby
Member
i can't remember to be honest, but i know i'd be annoyed if i couldn't read what text there is
frankie_baby
Member
is that it thought there was more, hmmm then maybe they should've gone with the us version
won't stop me buying it and never had any probs with the pal version
seem to remember it coming with a great big guide, wonder if that'll be included digitally
Where is the best place to go before the release? (The SM section isn't open yet)
And yeah, why not offering the 60 Hz US Version as an Alternative?
Cosmonaut X
Member
There's bugger-all text in the game, and to illustrate the issue here - Super Mario World, which just saw a nice 60Hz release on the service, almost certainly has significantly more text than Super Metroid. If that doesn't prevent Nintendo from releasing that game, then it shouldn't block SM.
The one ray of hope is that this is part of their VC promotion, and I wonder if - when it comes to the VC "officially" - there's a chance of it being the 60Hz version. Balloon Fight is conspicuous by its absence, and every other "official" release so far has been the 60Hz version...
I'd mention it in one of the other active VC communities, but spamming up unrelated communities is a bit shitty for users who want to discuss those games. The official community should be up soon, and it'll likely be more noticeable - and will remain more relevant - there.
Super Metroid 50hz..
Nintendo
It is like they are trying to make us hate them
Seriously... WiiU is such a f***ing letdown
frankie_baby
Member
the difference is there was no translation of mario world
Cosmonaut X
Member
Fair point.
PSA: don't buy it and try to fight those urges just because it's just 30 cents. If you do, you're sending them two clear messages:
- You don't mind getting fucked over with botched versions that have no reason to exist in the 21st century, thus encouraging them to go the easy route.
- Your Miiverse complaints are something not to be taken seriously (remember they have a tag that states "hey, I actually have this game!") because you're going to give them the money anyway
- You don't mind getting fucked over with botched versions that have no reason to exist in the 21st century, thus encouraging them to go the easy route.
- Your Miiverse complaints are something not to be taken seriously (remember they have a tag that states "hey, I actually have this game!") because you're going to give them the money anyway
Glass Rebel
Member
Super Metroid of all games being 60fps is such a poor showing.
For shame, Nintendo.
For shame, Nintendo.
The only message you will send is the one you put on Miiverse. Everything else is open to interpretation.
Of course this backfires horribly if Nintendo does fix it with the NTSC version and you then have to pay full price for it instead of .30 for a perfectly playable version of the game...
Cosmonaut X
Member
Yeah, I'm not sure on this one. Would they weigh the opinions of those who own the game more heavily than they do those who don't?
Robin64
Member
I'd pay full price for the NTSC version over paying 30p for a jerky sluggish mess.
The fact that we know they actually read Miiverse gives us some pieces of info:
- They can more-or-less-easily quantify the amount of people complaining. It's as easy to implement internally as asking moderators to "tag" the messages they see with complaints so they can be batch-escalated.
- They can instantly know the percentage of people that complained but bought the game anyway
Even if they're Nintendo, they're a still a publicly owned corporation. Their main goal is earning money, the fastest, easiest and quickest, the better and if they see a good number of people complaining but still spending the money, they know they have a batch of customers that lack self-control and that can be easily exploited for more money with the laziest of the efforts. Therefore the only way of hurting them and make them change route is attacking the only place that will put them in trouble: the wallet. Every 30 cents not spent in the game have more power that a dozen of disgruntled fans that still gave them their money.
Also, this.
Cosmonaut X
Member
...which is why I've just been posting on Miiverse from Firefox. The Super Mario World community seems to be where people have started complaining, so I'd hit that if I were you.
The Ambassador GBA games aren't emulated at all: they run in a modified version of the DS/DSi BC mode. The DS is a superset of the GBA, so any hardware capable of playing DS games can run GBA games, as long as there is a way to access the ROMs.
When running a GBA games, the 3DS will load the entire ROM into RAM and boot into "GBA mode", which redirects ROM address access into the area in RAM where the ROMs are and intercepts save memory reads/writes to save on the SD card. This is why they behave almost exactly like DS games: no home menu, no streetpass/spotpass, no wifi.
GBA games can't suspend when closing the lid because the GBA didn't have such a behavior: suspending was something implement game-by-game and each game did it in different ways. DS games suspend because closing the DS lid is an actual input that triggers the suspend code in (most) games. Pressing "home" actually tells the DS game the lid was closed and puts a black overlay on top of everything: if a game ignores the "lid closed" command, it won't suspend (for example: multiplayer Mario Kart DS).
Anyone who hasn't purchased Runner2 should definitely take advantage of the upcoming sale. I just picked it up for full price over the weekend and absolutely could not put it down. Such a nice change for me to get into a game where just push start and play, rather than suffer through a bunch of tutorials.
sakipon
Member
Depends on how sensitive you are to such things. While original speed is always better, personally I think the issue is a bit blown out of proportion. I have no major issues playing them and will buy this one.
PAL optimized = "we had to delete animation frames in order to have the game moving at a comparable speed"
Which is bad enough itself but bearable although the gameplay might feel less responsive and animations a bit rougher. The problem comes when the WiiU forces a 50Hz signal on a 60Hz output (something that didn't happen on the Wii VC) wich means that every 5th frame will be doubled, adding EVEN MORE choppiness to the image, gameplay and control response.
Then you have colossal fuck-ups like Kirby's Adventure where their optimization was just a mere "placebo" hack-in because they only got rid of animation frames from Kirby and not the enemies, making the gameplay completely diffferent and WAY EASIER. Yeah, it feels like it moves at the same speed as the NTSC game if we go by the speed the screen scrolls through, but the enemies are still PAL-slow
May 15th for NA, May 16th for Europe.
Sale, huh? Bah, I should never buy a game at launch again. If I'd waited I'd have got it more cheaply and the leaderboard would actually have worked properly on my day one.
Happy happy happy
Hero of Legend
Member
This makes sense, but why do the GBA games have flaws, like being darker and have that blur and other little graphical hiccups (Yoshi's Island has these greyish pixels when the screen goes black when beginning a stage, just before the title comes up).
I guess tapping into 2 gens ago tech buried in the 3DS to power them is the culprit, and proper emulation would eliminate these flaws.
Explains why GBA games are no where in sight on the VC; because Nintenedo basically gave us literal ROM dumps.
We ask for them, and sadly the results aren't what we would have thought, might explain why Nintendo doesn't just dump all ROMS; they have to redo them to fit the 3DS' tech. The 3DS was built with DS support in mind, but not GBA so the GBA compatibility was likely not properly adjusted even though it exists and works for the most part.
If it's like the 3DS demo, it will be quite short, but sweet.
Robin64
Member
You'll notice when Samus doesn't quite jump when you expect, or you see how choppy it is as you scroll the screen. There's simply no way you can not notice.
As for not caring about it, well, whatever makes you happy.
natkingcoleslaw
Neo Member
I onl;y have a 3DS though. It completely sucks that the 3DS eshop has nothing comparable to what the WiiU has, when it comes to VC. Even the monthly club nintendo rewards suck ass. This month we have Super Mario RPG for WiiU and fucking Art Style Aquia for the 3DS. I just don't get it. I wonder why this step mother treatment for 3DS?