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[Lyonaz]

So I guess if friends want to share games they should just make a new account specifically for that purpose and share that profile?

 

[Kyon]

Still blocks used games. I can't

 

[Kosma]

Expect bans and security questions if you share your account with a friend.

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[JABEE]

That last line basically is confirming the fee scenario, if passing a game to a friend or whatever.

PR wise this has been a mess. Someone needs to tell phil Harrison they're not divulging specifics yet...he's pretty much let the cat out of the bag.

Yep. Major Nelson's post is the spinned version of the truth Phil Harrison told.

 

[BronsonLee]

SPIN THE WHEEL. MAKE THE DEAL

 

[Guevara]

I just keep hearing: No lending.

 

[ironcreed]

So, you still can't loan a game to your friend or rent without paying FULL PRICE? Nice spin, but it's not working.

 

[Durante]

I'll give translating a shot.

While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.

You will be able to trade games at our conditions at our select retail partners, which will monetize the transaction for us and our esteemed third party associates.

Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios.

Private sales and lending are out.

Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.

Games are locked to your account, not your box. See, we are better than Nintendo at online!

 

[El-Suave]

What is it with conferences leaving people confused for the past few years? There are paid professionals at work designing the messages and this still happens.
The wording in the blog post sounds fishy somehow as well.

 

[bigboss370]

this doesn't solve me wanting to lend or borrow games. or rent them.

 

[shinobi602]

"Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile."

So just like the 360 then?

What is the issue here?

but, my question is will there be issues with other accounts on my system? Do I have to pay a fee so that my son can play my game on my system but on his gamertag?

The issue is you can't lend it to a friend without having him sign in to your account. If he wants to play your game, he has to pay another $60 just to play it.

 

[Owzers]

How charitable.

 

[Froli]

This is confusing so far lol

 

[Fried Food]

whats the problem, just let your friend borrow your profile lol

but seriously this is still worse than the current system because now the friend can't play the game on his own profile without paying.

 

[JCreasy]

So as long as you refrain from playing on your own system at home, your friend can borrow and play your games on his system all he wants.

 

[GuardianE]

Guess what, MajorNelson? I don't give a shit. You fucked up.

 

[sangreal]

No. My friend can play a retail 360 regardless of the account.

Great vague statement though

and with a 360 GoD game you install on their system? Phil Harrison is trying to explain that there is no difference between digital and retail games on Xbox One other than the delivery mechanism. They both install the same and once installed the system doesn't care.

 

[Phazon]

Do you need to be online this time when you want to log in? I guess so?

 

[Bgamer90]

So I guess if friends want to share games they should just make a new account specifically for that purpose and share that profile?

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Or at least I think that that will work (since I don't think that MS would publicly recommend that).

 

[Ephemeris]

I'm used to rolling with a USB Drive with my 360 profile + games.

Difference is, they better have the net up and running our we may be assed out.

 

[trineo_feo]

What if my gf has a different user in the same console because we live together? She cant play with her user?

 

[Raide]

So its just go to friends house, access profile via the cloud and play game? OK, not seeing any issue at all here. No internet? USB memory stick or have it on my smartphone or something?

 

[msdstc]

So gamefly and rentals are still out of the question then. I'm also not giving my account info to my friends so they can play a damn game.

 

[CambriaRising]

Same deal, said differently to try to soften the blow.

 

[Father_Brain]

Worst PR clusterfuck in gaming history? Certainly in the past few years, at least.

I'll give translating a shot.

You will be able to trade games at our conditions at our select retail partners, which will monetize the transaction for us and our esteemed third party associates.

Private sales and lending are out.

Games are locked to your account, not your box. See, we are better than Nintendo at online!

Think you nailed it.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Just because you say you aren't doing something doesn't mean you're not still doing it.

 

[scytherage]

So basically "yeah a friend can play it for free as long as you're there watching him".

I loled, good one

 

[Phonomezer]

This is the Steam Box.

 

[BobTheFork]

So as long as you don't mind giving you username and password to a friend or a random person online you used to be able to sell your game to, there is no fee.

So as long as you refrain from playing on your own system at home, your friend can borrow and play your games on his system all he wants.

As long as they sign in as you. It seems to be tied to the account.

 

[L.O.R.D]

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/x...-out-used-game-market/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

No fee, correct - and they just got that information wrong. As soon as we saw, we contacted them to correct it.

 

[Foffy]

This doesn't address the central issues at all in the slightest. Way to go.

 

[matty2Dfraud]

So online IS required for playing games not on the system it was activated on?

yup.

 

[Dead Prince]

What if my gf has a different user in the same console because we live together? She cant play with her user?

pretty sure she can play if it's on the same console. but what do i know.

 

[Zep]

"Hey bro, log off the internet, I'm trying to play your game over here."

 

[Beer Monkey]

Major, it will just be simpler if I don't buy your system.

Can't wait for the next CAGCast.

 

[Kyon]

whats the problem, just let your friend borrow your profile lol

but seriously this is still worse than the current system because now the friend can't play the game on his own profile without paying.

RIP

 

[Izuna]

...

Isn't it just that you need the code to install the game so that you no longer need the disc, and if you don't have it (or offline) you have to play from the slow ass BluRay drive?

So in other words, Steam?

 

[Kazerei]

That's helpful if I'm playing my game over at my friend's house, but what if I just want to lend the game to my friend? Guess I'll have to give him/her my password so they can sign in to my account? Such bullshit.

 

[sn00zer]

So its Steam....holy shit people overreacted

 

[Erimriv]

Never thought that MS could do even worse than Nintendo unveiling a new console.

 

[ironcreed]

whats the problem, just let your friend borrow your profile lol

Yeah, no thanks.

 

[DigitalRicket]

Lol, you'll have to upload your profile everywhere you go. Lets bring back the VMU!

Just curious....

But who actually goes to a friend's house and downloads their profile there to play locally? Seriously.

 

[EvB]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

But it has to be signed in and can only be signed in on one console...

 

[Fried Food]

What if my gf has a different user in the same console because we live together? She cant play with her user?

any account on the originating system can play the game.

 

[Yagharek]

Some real doublespeak from major nelson

 

[daxgame]

so I can't fucking leave my friends' house without giving him my account password or he won't be able to play the goddamn game alone! That's very kind of you Microsoft!

 

[speculawyer]

MS: Yeah . . . we basically just copied Steam but made it much worse and you'll have to pay us the console tax.

 

[harSon]

So still no lending or renting. All this does is solve the "what if I am physically at my bros house and we just want to bro my bro game" quandary.

I'm assuming you're going to be able to release the 'CD-Key' from your Xbox One/Live Profile, and then be free to what you want with it. That's the most logical way of implementing a used game system at least.

 

[Suikoguy]

Phil actually did discuss a specific scenario where you have to pay full price for a second hand game's activation, major. Keep backpedaling though and maybe you'll have people so confused they'll actually buy the console when it's released. Worked for the wii u.

Oh shit, shots fired, bwhahah.

I do love this time of the generation, but I never expected so many laughs in one day.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

"can play used games on other consoles as long as they're tied to your account"

WTF? those aren't "used" games...those are new games that you previously tied to your goddamn account.