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[Dead Prince]

Just curious....

But who actually goes to a friend's house and downloads their profile there to play locally? Seriously.

I brought my mii to my friend's house ;D i carry my wiimote all the time.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

So to sell used games I have to give my profile too? lol

This changes nothing. People will have to pay the fee if they want to play the game. I guess you can bring now your games to play with your friends in their console...

 

[Woffls]

So the only restriction on account sharing is that the same profile can't be online on two systems? What about playing the game offline? Is a connection required to play games on someone else's console on your own profile? Maybe a unique session key type thing needs to be passed online from one console to the other for it to work so it can't exist twice? Otherwise this could surely be exploited quite nicely?

Edit
Selling games is different because you permanently relinquish your key. Perhaps this same key is what's used to make sure only one person is using it at once and it can only be used on one console and profile at a time. When it's sold, the profile loses it and the key is then passed on to whatever system the new profile is signed in on?

 

[TriniTrin]

So its Steam....holy shit people overreacted

Can you put one computer into offline mode in steam, then put another computer online and have 2 computers working at the same time with the same steam account?

 

[GuardianE]

So its Steam....holy shit people overreacted

Once Microsoft has sales and general discounted prices like Steam does, you can start talking.

 

[Jallopy]

Can I loan a game to a friend? My kids love borrowing games from the library, will that work? What about Redbox? If the answer to any of those three is no, my purchase decision is also no. I'm a huge MS fanboy, but with what I know now, its a no-buy.

 

[commedieu]

So its Steam....holy shit people overreacted

says the guy that keeps missing info and has to keep updating his posts ;-)

Steam doesn't force you to stay connected 24 hours.

 

[lol51]

This just means that activating games is for the user account and not console wide. We already knew this.

Basically, if you are in a house where there's multiple profiles you will only have the game associated to the one profile it is registered to. The other profiles cannot play the game unless they are logged in through your account.

 

[Croc]

So now instead of just trading games people are going to trade profiles with them.

I think we can all see where this is heading.

 

[Trevelyon]

The horrendous message control and the general huma-nah-huma-nah-huma-nah right now is fucking fascinating.

How did they not have their shit together on this.

 

[harSon]

Just curious....

But who actually goes to a friend's house and downloads their profile there to play locally? Seriously.

I do it all the time for games like Madden or Fifa. Or downloading my save file from the 360 cloud.

 

[JCreasy]

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/x...-out-used-game-market/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

Phil Harrison says you have to pay for the entire game.

So yes, no fee. A FULL $60 will be extracted from you.

 

[Uno Venova]

So still a huge downgrade from what you used to be able to do with gaming, which was just bring a fucking game to anyone's house and pop it in and play.

 

[Tenki]

So do I have to rent a profile from Gamestop along with a game? If a friend lends me a game he will have to lend me his profile too? LOL

 

[msdstc]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Or at least I think that that will work (since I think MS would recommend that).

How would this work for the online portion or for hunting achievements? That account would need to be subbed to live.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

So its Steam....holy shit people overreacted

Once I can buy a major release for 10€ or less on Xbox One, then I'll stop complaining.

 

[Meelow]

So this is how it looks.

- You can play your game on another Xbox but you have to sign in your account.
- You have to pay a fee if you don't use your account (so pretty much buying the game)

 

[sangreal]

Phil actually did discuss a specific scenario where you have to pay full price for a second hand game's activation, major. Keep backpedaling though and maybe you'll have people so confused they'll actually buy the console when it's released. Worked for the wii u.

No, Phil said that there is no difference on Xbox One between installing via a disc or online and both will be treated as if it was downloaded. Just like with online titles today, you can install it on any console but the original buyer needs to be online to play it. To remove that restriction, the game needs to be bought again on that console -- just like today. Nobody has ever referred to that as a "pre-owned fee" in the current ecosystem.

 

[TheFeedingHand]

Bye renting games.

 

[Y2Kev]

I'm assuming you're going to be able to release the 'CD-Key' from your Xbox One/Live Profile, and then be free to what you want with it. That's the most logical way of implementing a used game system at least.

Harrison was pretty clear this will not be free.

 

[Tom Penny]

If you want to lend your buddy a game you give him your profile. What's the big deal?

 

[Kazerei]

...

Isn't it just that you need the code to install the game so that you no longer need the disc, and if you don't have it (or offline) you have to play from the slow ass BluRay drive?

So in other words, Steam?

So its Steam....holy shit people overreacted

Every. Fucking. Thread.

 

[ironcreed]

Such draconian bullshit. Seriously, Microsoft can go jump in a volcano for all I care.

 

[dallow_bg]

So its Steam....holy shit people overreacted

No?
It's a console that you can't rent or lend/borrow games for.

 

[vg260]

So basically Steam.

More like XBLA and GoD games currently, except those have no possible way to sell under any scenario.

 

[Brinbe]

yeah, didn't confuse things. I knew it was profile-tied. Still shitty as ever.

 

[Terra Firma]

It is not like Steam.

You are not required to be online to play games attached to your profile on Steam. With the Xbox One, it does appear that you must go online to change to your profile on a different console.

On Steam, you CAN play the same game attached to the same account on different computers in offline mode. With the Xbox One, you cannot.

And above all, sales on Steam are so ridiculous that unless the Xbox One pulls something like Playstation Plus, any comparison to Steam is moot.

 

[Chucker]

This is how Steam has worked for the past X years. If I sign into my Steam account on another computer, I can play my games on that computer. I sign out and they go away.

Keep in mind, I don't like it for my console games, but it's just Steam's model with some form of selling games.

 

[oVerde]

Just like XBLA. Not good or bad, but how it is now.

 

[hank_tree]

That's basically the way the Xbox works now for digital titles right?

And Xbox One games boxed games are basically digital games anyways since you have to install to play them.

 

[trmas]

Wow, MS really does want a piece of EVERYTHING. No used games except through them, and no lending games unless you want to give someone your account information.

Unbelievable.

 

[Penguins&PolarBears]

Because of all the hysteria I haven't been able to ask, but is this system any different than the PC or Steam?

I never play PC/Steam games so I don't know how sharing/lending/reselling works on PC today.

I assume with Xbox One you can use the game on any system as long as you login to your MS Account. MS said they have about 1 billion MS Accounts already so most people don't even need to sign up for an account.

 

[Robot Pants]

So I still can't LET my friend borrow my game. I'd have to let him borrow my game and my profile.
And you know I won't be able to use my profile at my house while he's using it at his.
Good job, MS.

 

[FoneBone]

I'm assuming you're going to be able to release the 'CD-Key' from your Xbox One/Live Profile, and then be free to what you want with it. That's the most logical way of implementing a used game system at least.

Unlikely as that wouldn't give MS further revenue from the sale of the key.

 

[Rebel Leader]

 

[shinobi602]

So its Steam....holy shit people overreacted

Umm...what?

You can't play that game unless logged in to your profile, if you don't want to do that, well your friend has to pony up FULL PRICE for the game he borrows from you.

So you're going to give up your profile?

 

[falconzss]

What am I reading?
How does this change anything? I can't give my copy of a game to a friend without giving him access to my profil? Am I missing something here?

 

[GQman2121]

So there are fees....but only if you don't/can't sign in with the initial profile that purchased the game originally?

So if it's a single player game and my friend doesn't have his system online, then we can't play on that system?

Shit is completely fucked.

 

[Jacksonlee]

IT'S OKAY GUYS!

YOU HAVE THEIR PERMISSION TO PLAY GAMES AT FRIENSDS HOUSES!

 

[Y2Kev]

No, Phil said that there is no difference on Xbox One between installing via a disc or online and both will be treated as if it was downloaded. Just like with online titles today, you can install it on any console but the original buyer needs to be online to play it. To remove that restriction, the game needs to be bought again on that console -- just like today.

Ok, but treating physical and digital the same IS a major and shitty change, no? Understanding that the account system already works this way, this isn't what people seem to be concerned about.

 

[Kosma]

If you want to lend your buddy a game you give him your profile. What's the big deal?

You wont be able to use your profile at the same time

 

[speculawyer]

So its Steam....holy shit people overreacted

-Except that you have to buy your xbox from only a single supplier.
-You can't upgrade it over time.
-It requires internet once a day for the off-line mode
-You'll have to pay the console tax
-You don't trust Microsoft as much as you trust Gabe
-They probably won't have the great sales Steam has
-You have to pay to access xbox live. Steam is free.

Etc.

 

[Kyoufu]

So he basically confirms that there is a fee for used games.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Every. Fucking. Thread.

It is Steam. The only difference is it's on a console and people pretend Steam is only about sales.

 

[Bgamer90]

But it has to be signed in and can only be signed in on one console...

Yes but I'm pretty sure that people can have more than one profile on their Xbox One.

Just have one profile for sharing games.

It should work... right?

Heh, I'm not even really sure. These statements are confusing me a bit.

 

[soulassssns]

Its not the same...

How is it not?

 

[Izuna]

Every. Fucking. Thread.

Explain to me why this is not correct?

Also I'm pretty sure the install will also be tied to the console like Windows 8 and XBLA.

 

[harSon]

Harrison was pretty clear this will not be free.

He was also pretty clear about your friend having to pay the full price of the game if you wanted to play at his or her house.

 

[xxracerxx]

You wont be able to use your profile at the same time

Why do people not understand this?

 

[Terra Firma]

If you want to lend your buddy a game you give him your profile. What's the big deal?

You cannot buy used games for cheap. You cannot sell your used games without selling the profile they are tied to. And if you have more than one game tied to a profile, good luck if the buyer doesn't buy all the games attached to said profile.