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[Zoramon089]

I wish someone would do a comparison of Xbone's TV features with the Wii U's TVii because they look like almost the same thing...

 

[shinra-bansho]

Came into thread for this.

Jaw-dropping. Okay.

 

[Paches]

Well, I can guess why. If you just watch the conference and don't follow much else they're presented as Xbox One games. It's by design you associate then with the system.

Isn't it a reporter's job to know the facts and not confused by Microsoft's presentation?

 

[Antiwhippy]

Did you read the OP, or even the article within the minute after it was posted? They bring up legitimate issues, also consider the audience they write it for before you expect them to make a checklist like GAF has for the X1's myriad of issues.

But I guess even suggesting any positives about the X1 is too much for folks.

Before you accuse people of not reading, are you telling me to trust an article that is just inaccurate?

In addition to EA Sports franchises, demos today included a preview of the next Forza racing game and a sneak peek of Call of Duty Ghosts (now with a playable special forces dog), which will all launch exclusively on the Xbox One.

 

[we.are.the.armada]

How the fuck did he figure COD and the EA sports games were exclusive to Xbone?

Because the writer exemplifies little integrity by seemingly being motivated to use false information for reasons.

Some of this shit is false and misinformed that it feels written by either a PR shill or somebody that didn't watch the reveal or both. It's revolting me right now because XBONE deserves better than this.

 

[Minions]

Heard it here first. COD only coming out on the Xbox One.... no PS3/360/PS4 versions.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Why are Americans supposed to care? Without access to the DVR or On Demand content from cable providers the Xbox One is incapable of providing an adequate alternative to the cable boxes that already inhabit many homes.

The lack of access to the DVR is grossly exaggerated. In the worse case scenario, you will still have access to your DVR through the Xbox One. It's a pass through connection. The GUI of your cable/satellite box is not going to go away.

I wish someone would do a comparison of Xbone's TV features with the Wii U's TVii because they look like almost the same thing...

Nintenedo TVii isn't ready for primetime usage. It's crap. Xbox One already looks better.

 

[Zukuu]

can anyone rewind this gif so it actually represents a jaw dropping? This will be soo good.

 

[sakipon]

Well, I can guess why. If you just watch the conference and don't follow much else they're presented as Xbox One games. It's by design you associate then with the system.

Yeah, I can see that. Especially when they stressed the console would be getting 15 exclusive games. A person who's not into gaming isn't sure which of the presented games weren't exclusive.

 

[Hex]

I'm sorry but this is an asinine accusation.

Better?

 

[we.are.the.armada]

The Xbox brand is very strong in the U.S. due to Madden, Call of Duty, Gears, and Halo. That won't change this generation. Despite the fact that the PS4 might have superior version of TWO of those titles. It's very weird. It seems like that 25 years olds+ greatly prefer Sony. Those people grew up with PS2s and PSXs. But the 18 to college age crowd loves the Xbox.

Hmmm, yeah, but I think you're selling the "18 to college crowd" short and not considering the various economic positions some of these people may be in. You may be right man, but I think that in this market climate, people are wanting to be more informed than ever about where their spending goes.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Isn't it a reporter's job to know the facts and not confused by Microsoft's presentation?

Sure.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Paid-off, or uninformed journalism?
You be the judge.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Hmmm, yeah, but I think you're selling the "18 to college crowd" short and not considering the various economic positions some of these people may be in. You may be right man, but I think that in this market climate, people are wanting to be more informed than ever about where their spending goes.

If this history of consumers shows anything, it's that they're rarely ever informed in general. It's more about perception than reality.

 

[dab0ne]

The console? Impressive.

The practices? Offensive.

 

[enzo_gt]

Before you accuse people of not reading, are you telling me to trust an article that is just inaccurate?

Definitely has its inaccuracies (inaccuracy?), but broad brushing the entire thing as uninformed journalism or being moneyhatted is ludicrous, especially considering what the article focuses on.

 

[Paches]

Definitely has its inaccuracies (inaccuracy?), but broad brushing the entire thing as uninformed journalism or being moneyhatted is ludicrous, especially considering what the article focuses on.

The author thought is was impressive because he was distracted by Microsoft smoke and mirrors and misdirection. Almost everything he said about the actual games is completely false.

 

[shinobi602]

It took a while during the presentation to get to gaming, but a demo of upcoming EA Sports titles was jaw-dropping.

 

[Escalation]

I watched and watched but I never saw the demo, I wanted to see the demo.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Definitely has its inaccuracies (inaccuracy?), but broad brushing the entire thing as uninformed journalism or being moneyhatted is ludicrous, especially considering what the article focuses on.

How is that not uninformed journalism then? Accusation of moneyhatting might be a bit much, but those are some pretty damn big misinformation to spread.

 

[we.are.the.armada]

If this history of consumers shows anything, it's that they're rarely ever informed in general. It's more about perception than reality.

Hahahaha, what are you even talking about? I'd like to see you substantiate this "history of consumers" for USA/EU/JP and their "informed" acumen.

"It's more about perception than reality" - Oh lord, if this cynicism was indicative of general consumers our houses would be full of Wii U's right now. Gimme a break, Marty

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

With a command of "Xbox Watch Live TV," Matrick called up "The Price Is Right," then switched to an interactive, voice-controlled TV programming guide called OneGuide that puts every cable box to shame.

Is there a 24 hours The Price Is Right channel or something in the US?

 

[enzo_gt]

The author thought is was impressive because he was distracted by Microsoft smoke and mirrors and misdirection. Almost everything he said about the actual games is completely false.

What smoke and mirrors? What are you talking about? Did you read the article or have you read Popular Mechanics before?

Almost everything he said about the games was false?

It took a while during the presentation to get to gaming (correct), but a demo of upcoming EA Sports titles (correct) was jaw-dropping. Both EA and Call of Duty developers Infinity Ward have created new game engines (correct) that produce super high-fidelity rendering of human movement as well as textures that dwarf the capabilities of the current generation of consoles (correct). In addition to EA Sports franchises, demos today included a preview of the next Forza racing game (correct) and a sneak peek of Call of Duty Ghosts (correct) (now with a playable special forces dog), which will all launch exclusively on the Xbox One (incorrect).

The article confused CoD DLC exclusive as the game itself. OMG UNINFORMED ARTICLE CANNOT BE SALVAGED.

Consider the rest. Even those of us that are not liking what we know about the X1 should be happy about how this article at least acknowledges the uncertainty surrounding the thing.

 

[Delusibeta]

GAF is going to have to get over the fact that this thing is going to be enormously popular in the United States and probably Canada. The writing is on the wall. A lot of people love Live and if they get a PS4 it will be secondary to their Xbox One. The rest of the world is another story altogether. I think you'll see Japan shun it even worse than the 360 and Europe will heavily favor the PS4. But the Xbox One will be huge in North America. That's not to say that Sony won't gain back market share in the U.S. (I think it will), but NA is Xbox land.

I'm fairly sure that's what they said about Windows 8. And the PlayStation 3, come to think of it.

 

[graywolf323]

Popular Mechanics used to be so much better...

and no fanboys I don't say that because they are excited about the Xbox One, I say that because of all the factual errors in the article

just plain laziness when writing

 

[shinra-bansho]

The article confused CoD DLC exclusive as the game itself. OMG UNINFORMED ARTICLE CANNOT BE SALVAGED.

The article states all of that content, including EA's sports titles to be exclusive.

And EA's titles weren't really jaw-dropping impressive, neither in animation or graphically really, made worse in that they were pre-rendered.

The paragraph, the only paragraph, that a lot of people on here care about - the one pertaining to games - was essentially terribly off.

 

[Freshmaker]

What smoke and mirrors? What are you talking about? Did you read the article or have you read Popular Mechanics before?

Almost everything he said about the games was false?

It took a while during the presentation to get to gaming (correct), but a demo of upcoming EA Sports titles (correct) was jaw-dropping. Both EA and Call of Duty developers Infinity Ward have created new game engines (correct)

Target renders count for that now?

 

[Delusibeta]

What smoke and mirrors? What are you talking about? Did you read the article or have you read Popular Mechanics before?

Almost everything he said about the games was false?

It took a while during the presentation to get to gaming (correct), but a demo of upcoming EA Sports titles (false, pre-rendered trailer) was jaw-dropping. Both EA and Call of Duty developers Infinity Ward have created new game engines (false on IW's part) that produce super high-fidelity rendering of human movement as well as textures that dwarf the capabilities of the current generation of consoles (correct). In addition to EA Sports franchises, demos today included a preview of the next Forza racing game (false, it was a pre-rendered trailer) and a sneak peek of Call of Duty Ghosts (correct) (now with a playable special forces dog), which will all launch exclusively on the Xbox One (false, CoD won't, EA Sports games won't).

The article confused CoD DLC exclusive as the game itself. OMG UNINFORMED ARTICLE CANNOT BE SALVAGED.

Fix'd.

 

[baekshi]

Boo....the Kinect 2 and voice command is incredibly impressive, especially from a tech perspective

Xbox, go home.

 

[Paches]

What smoke and mirrors? What are you talking about? Did you read the article or have you read Popular Mechanics before?

Almost everything he said about the games was false?

It took a while during the presentation to get to gaming (correct), but a demo of upcoming EA Sports titles (correct) was jaw-dropping. Both EA and Call of Duty developers Infinity Ward have created new game engines (correct) that produce super high-fidelity rendering of human movement as well as textures that dwarf the capabilities of the current generation of consoles (correct). In addition to EA Sports franchises, demos today included a preview of the next Forza racing game (correct) and a sneak peek of Call of Duty Ghosts (correct) (now with a playable special forces dog), which will all launch exclusively on the Xbox One (incorrect).

The article confused CoD DLC exclusive as the game itself. OMG UNINFORMED ARTICLE CANNOT BE SALVAGED.

It is easy to say "correct" after every single statement. Here is my shot:

It took a while during the presentation to get to gaming, but a demo of upcoming EA Sports titles (False) was jaw-dropping. Both EA and Call of Duty developers Infinity Ward have created new game engines (False) that produce super high-fidelity rendering of human movement as well as textures that dwarf the capabilities of the current generation of consoles. In addition to EA Sports franchises, demos today included a preview of the next Forza racing game and a sneak peek of Call of Duty Ghosts (now with a playable special forces dog), which will all launch exclusively on the Xbox One. (False)

 

[Delusibeta]

Boo....the Kinect 2 and voice command is incredibly impressive, especially from a tech perspective

I dunno, considering the stage set-up was probably faked, judgement will be reserved to the real-life tests, and I recall someone managing to bamboozle the Kinect 2 already.

 

[enzo_gt]

Fix'd.

Pre-rendered things don't count as demonstrations or previews? Well then.

Also pretty sure CoD has a new engine, and they're not using the same exact one from their previous game, updated or not.

The article states all of that content, including EA's sports titles to be exclusive.

And EA's titles weren't really jaw-dropping impressive, neither in animation or graphically really, made worse in that they were pre-rendered.

The paragraph, the only paragraph, that a lot of people on here care about - the one pertaining to games - was essentially terribly off.

Whether its jaw dropping or not is subjective. The exclusive bit is wrong as it does include EA too I see. Also horrible run on sentence.

The last paragraph is relevant and so is the rest too that focuses on, you know, the technology. But I guess that doesn't matter much at the end of the day, even when they do raise legitimate issues to the public unlike some "moneyhatted" articles that have been pushed out recently.

 

[strata8]

Fix'd.

TIL trailers don't count as previews.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Hahahaha, what are you even talking about? I'd like to see you substantiate this "history of consumers" for USA/EU/JP and their "informed" acumen.

"It's more about perception than reality" - Oh lord, if this cynicism was indicative of general consumers our houses would be full of Wii U's right now. Gimme a break, Marty

If consumers were informed then the best products would always sell. That's rarely ever the case. It's the perception of what the best product is not the reality of what the best product is. Just look at what sells and look at how great products fail. You can't tell me consumers are informed when you see that popular things aren't the best things. Was the Wii a better system than the Xbox 360 or PS3?

 

[Delusibeta]

Pre-rendered things don't count as demonstrations or previews? Well then.

Also pretty sure CoD has a new engine, and they're not using the same exact one from their previous game, updated or not.

Last time I checked, trailers aren't demos, they're trailers. And IW clarified it was about as much of a "new engine" as Bethesda's Creation Engine was a "new engine" (i.e. it's a modified version of the old engine, now with new bells and whistles. It's a bit like claiming Valve made a new engine for Portal 2).

 

[Spongebob]

Amature article.

 

[FrostuTheNinja]

Well, it is Popular Mechanics.

Spoiler

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[BillyBats]

I LOVE positive press on the XBox One. You just know it really bothers so many people here. "Paid off?", "Popular Mechanics?". It makes for great reading.

 

[Takuya]

So good that you didn't even realize who the hell was presenting the pre-recorded footage.

 

[Delusibeta]

I LOVE positive press on the XBox One. You just know it really bothers so many people here. "Paid off?", "Popular Mechanics?". It makes for great reading.

In this case, it reads like someone reading IGN and copying them and never actually watched the conference.

 

[enzo_gt]

Last time I checked, trailers aren't demos, they're trailers. And IW clarified it was about as much of a "new engine" as Bethesda's Creation Engine was a "new engine" (i.e. it's a modified version of the old engine, now with new bells and whistles. It's a bit like claiming Valve made a new engine for Portal 2).

Now that's just semantics on the meaning of "new" in an industry where barely anything is made from the ground up 100% to be classified as brand spanking new.

They're demonstrating what they can do in engine or what they're targeting. If it was a gameplay demo, I'd understand, but we got none of that. Could be worse, they could have believed Activision and their "gameplay" demo. This has devolved to semantics at this point so yeah I'm gonna leave it here before somebody starts quoting dictionary.com.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Pre-rendered things don't count as demonstrations or previews? Well then.

Also pretty sure CoD has a new engine, and they're not using the same exact one from their previous game, updated or not.

Highlighting the most basic statements (a new COD was shown) as accurate, doesn't really change that the message of the paragraph as a whole is pretty inaccurate.

The crux of the paragraph is that there was gaming content shown that was significantly beyond the current systems (where I guess ymmv on how accurate) and this content is all coming exclusively (which is inaccurate.)

I don't even think the article is bad per se. But that paragraph itself, and the underlying message, is largely inaccurate/uninformed. I don't know why anyone would dispute that the claim of EA Sports games and COD being an XBO exclusive is a very major inaccuracy.

 

[Delusibeta]

Now that's just semantics on the meaning of "new" in an industry where barely anything is made from the ground up 100% to be classified as brand spanking new.

They're demonstrating what they can do in engine or what they're targeting. If it was a gameplay demo, I'd understand, but we got none of that. Could be worse, they could have believed Activision and their "gameplay" demo.

Don't take my word for it. Take Infinity Ward's word.

When we’re talking about a new engine we’re talking about upgrading significant systems within in that engine. We’re not talking about throwing it all away and saying we’re starting from the ground up.

As I said, it's like saying Dota 2 or CS:GO has a new engine.

And no, trailers are still not demos.

 

[ghostmind]

I don't seem to recall any "drubbing" Sony took for not revealing the PS4 hardware a few months ago. Are we sure that Microsoft marketing didn't write this article?

 

[enzo_gt]

Highlighting the most basic statements (a new COD was shown) as accurate, doesn't really change that the message of the paragraph as a whole is pretty inaccurate.

The crux of the paragraph is that there was gaming content shown that was significantly beyond the current systems (where I guess ymmv on how accurate) and this content is all coming exclusively (which is inaccurate.)

I don't even think the article is bad per se. But that paragraph itself, and the underlying message, is largely inaccurate/uninformed. I don't know why anyone would dispute that the claim of EA Sports games and COD being an XBO exclusive is a very major inaccuracy.

That is indeed a very inaccurate statement, we are on the same page. I just hate it when people broad brushstroke over entire articles. Especially when this probably represents a pretty fair article otherwise, that is fairly undeserving of being called uninformed or paid off as a whole when they do bring up both sides of the fence if you really want to look at it that way. It also represents a sort of layman enthusiasts opinion and reaches a similar audience, which I think is interesting, but the discussion will never get there because of semantics and looking at only one part of it.

 

[Deleted member 8095]

I went to Google and picked the first pro Xbox One article I found that also brought up some concerns and didn't seem too over the top positive. I should have picked a better one due to the stupid inaccuracies like CoD being an exclusive and what not. I made the thread because I was simply curious to see what the reaction to a pro-XB1 article would be. Here are the results:

-I was called a fan boy
-article author was called a shill/money hats
-MS Paid Popular Mechanics
-Popular Mechanics is always pro MS
-LOL Popular Mechanics doesn't know anything
-Uniformed (which is somewhat true)
-CoD dog jaw gif
-Author is skewed in the favor of XB1
-"smoke and mirrors"

I am not any more pro-MS than I am pro-Sony or Nintendo. I already have a WiiU and E3 will probably decide if I get the PS4/XB1 or both. As a fan of all the big consoles it's becoming incredibly frustrating to be a part of this community when you can't even say you like something without being called a fanboy. Come on GAF, we're better than this!

 

[Zoramon089]

Nintenedo TVii isn't ready for primetime usage. It's crap. Xbox One already looks better.

Almost everything was faked though...the voice commands weren't real time, the footage wasn't live...

 

[Antiwhippy]

You know a lot of your problems wouldn't have happened if not for this bit:

I should have picked a better one due to the stupid inaccuracies like CoD being an exclusive and what not.

Probably.

Which is then pretty silly for you to take the moral high ground.

 

[Cipherr]

lol @ this image. Where the hell does it come from. So random.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Poorly written piece, surprising that it made into the magazine.

You must not be familiar with Popular Mechanics.

Don't ever read Popular Science either, your brain will explode.