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[coldfoot]

For 7 years of paying for XBL, you don't have anything to show for.
For 3 years of PS+, I have more than 50 games to show for. It would be 200+ games over the lifetime of a console, so it's a bit different. Still though, if locking MP behind a paywall, you should spend money for dedicated servers.

 

[NullPointer]

It feels like free to me. Paid some 37€ for a year of PS+ and that was redeemed on my PS Vita easily.

The feeling of free.

I'll have to remember that.

 

[GamerJM]

Whatevs. I'll just cancel my Xbox Live and get PlayStation Plus. No money lost in the process. Not a deal breaker in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Proven]

For 7 years of paying for XBL, you don't have anything to show for.
For 3 years of PS+, I have more than 50 games to show for. It would be 200+ games over the lifetime of a console, so it's a bit different. Still though, if locking MP behind a paywall, you should spend money for dedicated servers.

YOU DON'T HAVE 50 GAMES TO SHOW FOR IT'S A SERVICE LIKE NETFLIX THAT LOCKS YOU OUT THE SECOND YOU STOP GIVING THEM MONEY.

 

[BobTheFork]

Says the fan base who has held free online as a Playstation feature above everyone's head for 7 years

He's a poster, not a fanbase.

I already have + so fine. It's not great, but weight the options I guess.

 

[Freezie KO]

Yes, compared to the XBone PS4 doesn't look so bad, but it's still a big step backwards from where we were with the PS3. If Sony wasn't riffing off Microsoft's massive failings they would have had a pretty mediocre conference with a massive sour-spot of paywalled online.

Nailed it.

Microsoft is so shitty right now, that Sony moving backwards from their PS3 policies is still seen as a positive since it's not as bad.

 

[boredandlazy]

I already have PS+ so it's not going to affect me per se. But my friend who pretty much uses his Playstation 3 exclusively to play the odd co-op game with me this is a kick in the pants.

 

[CookedChocobo]

The irony here is that a lot of people would have bought PS+ anyway because of the free PS4 games.

Now it kind of makes Sony look like dicks.

At least they're not stuffing other features behind the paywall, but it's still shitty.

Exactly...And playing online isn't the only benefit of psn plus, not by far.


Yeah, it's a shame no more free online....but I know a lot of people who play online with 360 currently, this is not a big deal at all.

Not shitty at all.

 

[Wickerbasket]

I still wonder what's the distinction between Drive Club PS+ Edition vs the normal game. I don't think they've ever had separate versions of a PS+ game before?

I think Starhawk PS+ was single player campaign only; which made it a separate version from the full one.

Maybe it will be something like that, or a freemium version with bought content.

 

[MirageDwarf]

I'm pretty sure Sony saw big opportunity in MS's screw up and getting on paywall train without any disadvantage.

Had M$ not Xboned everybody, Sony would have gone with free MP. Of course, we will never know.

Although I do think PS+ is 100 times more value for what it offers than shitty offering of Xbox live gold.

 

[coldfoot]

YOU DON'T HAVE 50 GAMES TO SHOW FOR IT'S A SERVICE LIKE NETFLIX THAT LOCKS YOU OUT THE SECOND YOU STOP GIVING THEM MONEY.

Incorrect. Someone who just signed up for PS+ would not have all the games I have. And unlike XBLG, you don't feel like your money is going to waste when you're not playing online, because you still get all the games.

 

[WrenchNinja]

You are jumping to conclusions though. You dont know how accounts will work on PS4 yet.

I am going by how Plus works on the PS3 currently. They haven't said it works any differently. I have no reason to assume it works differently. And I have Xbox Live Gold to look at with a company ripping off their base with multiplayer fees. Unless you have some inside information saying that it's console wide, then I'm going to continue assuming that this shit sucks.

Cloud saves are only on the Plus account.
Automatic downloads are only on the Plus account.
Games are the only thing available to all users.

 

[Survival Of The Fittest]

I'll gladly pay them $500 or more shit I don't give a fuck as long as I have my privacy and can trade games and have no bullshit DRM Sony won my wallet and all my savings

 

[NullPointer]

You know, since we live in dark days where Gold and PSN+ are now more comparable, I think it'd be fair to provide any "Free-To-Play" games on the console with the base game + a one premium pack (on Xbone and PS4).

So maybe WarFrame is free as in free on the PC, but on PS4 you get an additional character or PS4 exclusive versions of "paid" weaponry. Same with Planetside 2 and World of Tanks. Provide something a little more than you'd get on the actually free platforms.

Yeah, I really just can't get over the paying for Free-To-Play games. I know.

 

[Twinduct]

Sucks. But not going to act surprised. Needs to make money somewhere I guess. I would be more outraged if I weren't subscribed already. Guess this is what it feels like in those Xbox live threads.

 

[boredandlazy]

YOU DON'T HAVE 50 GAMES TO SHOW FOR IT'S A SERVICE LIKE NETFLIX THAT LOCKS YOU OUT THE SECOND YOU STOP GIVING THEM MONEY.

I'd still have all those games I bought at a discount though. Pretty much paid for itself. The whole f2p angle the PS4 was going for is a little bogus now though...

 

[GraveRobberX]

YOU DON'T HAVE 50 GAMES TO SHOW FOR IT'S A SERVICE LIKE NETFLIX THAT LOCKS YOU OUT THE SECOND YOU STOP GIVING THEM MONEY.

Yeah but what about all the fucking Discounts PS+ offers

I mean $50 investment pays back close to ten fold if you are moderate to heavy purchaser

Have you seen the crazy PS+ prices that get put on

Shit if you purchased titles you would be in the black right now, pay $50 to join the party, and save over $200-400+ in savings!
That's on top of getting rentals from PS+

So unless Netflix lets you purchase a movie for a discounted price from their streaming service, PS+ is not totally like Netflix, so calm the fuck down (I can't believe I typed those words) and let go of the caps lock cruise control

Fake Edit: Beaten >_<, I should've known better =/

 

[1138]

Exactly...And playing online isn't the only benefit of psn plus, not by far.


Yeah, it's a shame no more free online....but I know a lot of people who play online with 360 currently, this is not a big deal at all.

Not shitty at all.

This is pretty far from insignificant. Sony will definately have noticeable increase in revenue from screwing over everyone who wants online multiplayer. It's 6 billion dollars for over 5 years with 20 million subscribers.

 

[damaph]

Yes, compared to the XBone PS4 doesn't look so bad, but it's still a big step backwards from where we were with the PS3. If Sony wasn't riffing off Microsoft's massive failings they would have had a pretty mediocre conference with a massive sour-spot of paywalled online.

Yea. I had already given up on the Xbone a while ago and was not interested. I had a lot of hope for the PS4 though. Now that online gaming is behind a paywall, I'm no longer interested.

 

[Blastoise]

Bundle 3 months of PS+ with every new PS4 (1 month at least). Soon (hopefully) consumers will see some benefit.

I'm a satisfied paying member of PS+. I also have a Vita, so that might be why I don't mind paying. All in all, this may become a good long term strategy for Sony. Its been working for Microsoft.

 

[dcx4610]

Drive Club being free for PS+ members definitely helps ease the blow of pay to play online.

I'm not much of a driving game fan but that's a $60 launch title for free. That pretty much pays for PS+ for an entire year alone.

Hopefully the other free games and features are compelling enough to make it worth paying for.

 

[Ponn]

The feeling of free.

I'll have to remember that.

Really you are just arguing semantics which isnt productive. People get it and know when you drop sub you lose access. Its a rental service that builds library over time. If you tweak your buying habits, like with rentals you save alot of money and dont have to return the game as long as you keep renting the next months slew of games.

 

[NekoFever]

Incorrect. Someone who just signed up for PS+ would not have all the games I have. And unlike XBLG, you don't feel like your money is going to waste when you're not playing online, because you still get all the games.

You'd have more games than a new subscriber, but he's not wrong that you'd be locked out of them the moment you stopped subscribing to PS Plus, which was his point.

 

[kuppy]

I don't want to defend it but there really is no reason why one would not already have PS+, it is so worth the price.

 

[Eternia]

I think Starhawk PS+ was single player campaign only; which made it a separate version from the full one.

Maybe it will be something like that, or a freemium version with bought content.

Interesting, albeit it doesn't shed any light here. I must have missed that one.

I'd still have all those games I bought at a discount though. Pretty much paid for itself. The whole f2p angle the PS4 was going for is a little bogus now though...

You keep the games you buy at a discount with Gold promotions as well so that concept isn't any different between the two (without factoring what they put on sale). How F2P games work on PS4 is a good question though.

 

[WrenchNinja]

I don't want to defend it but there really is no reason why one would not already have PS+, it is so worth the price.

How about where it's not worth getting for every single user on the console?

 

[Darryl]

I can't believe the excuses being made for Sony here. No one should be okay with this.

it really shows how impressive sony's marketing is, and it's really depressing how successful it has worked. i cannot believe anyone would argue for this or even be apathetic towards it. i think xbox live was the most anti-consumer move made on gaming in history, locking regular every day features behind a pay wall is far up and above "no used games". at least you know what you're getting when you buy a game you can't trade used, you really have no idea with xbox live. you never know when it's going to get more expensive, when they'll take away more features, or how they'll find a way to charge you for stuff you normally wouldn't pay for. yet each month you subscribe to xbox live/playstation plus, it gets harder for you to quit. i think people really underestimate how dangerous it is to be so committed into closed box ecosystems like this. sony is a business, not a charity. the more they can get you to willfully commit, the more money they'll try to get out of you. the free games they pile on only further your commitment into the ecosystem

 

[Kak.efes]

I blame the idiots who subscribed to gold, and made it a viable revenue generator for MS.

I'm disappointed, but really, five clams a month is a drop in the bucket.

 

[keuja]

I planned to be a PS+ member anyway. So it sucks but not too much in my case.
Basically for the price of one game each year, you get a dozen of other games for free.

 

[dimb]

The importance of online integration into titles has been gradually growing over time. Single player and multiplayer elements find themselves mixed together more and more often. Excluding players from being able to fully appreciate every aspect of the game only serves as an inhibitor for developers. The practice of pay walls for basic functionality is completely putrid, and something I would rather not support.

 

[OddworldBOY]

Can other family members on the console get features, games, and such without each individual paying for PS+???

My wife wont pay for PS+ as a casual unlike me who's been a member since day one. I still want her to play with me online or by herself every now and then.

 

[DrPirate]

Bah, we have Microsoft to thank for this for starting this stupid trend in the first place, and everyone that actually payed to play games online.

Thanks guys.

 

[NullPointer]

Can other family members on the console get features, games, and such without each individual paying for PS+???

My wife wont pay for PS+ as a casual unlike me who's been a member since day one. I still want her to play with me online or by herself every now and then.

I'd also like to know this. Is there a family plan or sharing with PSN+?

 

[painful fart]

That sucks!

Hope they stay away from adopting more of MS shitty business practices.

I have PSN+, but I prefer to have it optional rather than mandatory.

 

[Lucent]

As long as they don't hid video apps like Netflix and such behind PS+ like Microsoft does with Gold, then it's not as bad in comparison.

I'm a PS+ subscriber and I always will be so yeah.

 

[GraveRobberX]

Can other family members on the console get features, games, and such without each individual paying for PS+???

My wife wont pay for PS+ as a casual unlike me who's been a member since day one. I still want her to play with me online or by herself every now and then.

They might do if you have + on that console all users created have access to MP?

I know all my PS+ games can be shared with my bro, he doesn't have the features + the logo by his name, but he still benefits off the rental games

 

[Ponn]

I am going by how Plus works on the PS3 currently. They haven't said it works any differently. I have no reason to assume it works differently. And I have Xbox Live Gold to look at with a company ripping off their base with multiplayer fees. Unless you have some inside information saying that it's console wide, then I'm going to continue assuming that this shit sucks.

Cloud saves are only on the Plus account.
Automatic downloads are only on the Plus account.
Games are the only thing available to all users.

You can have multiple accounts on one ps3. The big thing is ps3 wasnt designed with ps plus in mind or available, ps 4 is. It should be simple to flag a system for online access or create family ps plus accounts. If not, yes that will be shitty.

 

[ilikesanta]

I was thinking about PS+ vs XBL+ and general PS4 vs Xbone, even with the $100 price difference, XBone is a better value if you live in a household with more then one person that wants to play online. Xbone you can have 10 people using one sub on your machine, PS+ I'm still assuming it's only 1 (unless I missed something). Also you get 2 free games a month with XBL+ vs only 1 on PS+. If you look at it that way, $100 price difference can go away quick and then some.

24 hour check in shouldn't be an issue if you're planning on paying to play online anyway. You still have to worry about game loaning, and what exclusives you care about more.

Then the issue that everyone on GAF cares about, Xbone comes with Kinect, and it's an extra $60 for the new PSEye, so there's that.......

 

[Stimpack]

I blame the idiots who subscribed to gold, and made it a viable revenue generator for MS.

I'm disappointed, but really, five clams a month is a drop in the bucket.

I think this is exactly right.

Also Sony is offering more than enough to justify me paying for it, regardless. I understand that it's crappy, but it was already my plan to buy into Playstation Plus next-gen. It's a hell of a lot better than the BS that is Gold.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I'd also like to know this. Is there a family plan or sharing with PSN+?

Not at the moment, each account needs Plus to access content. But all accounts on the console can access the content from one sub. Online play will likely work as it does ont he 360, you need to be logged into the account with plus to play online.

Need more info tho.

 

[kuppy]

How about where it's not worth getting for every single user on the console?

Oh sorry, I did not think about that. Good point.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

Did I hear it right when they said that Driveclub is going to be free for PS+ subscribers?

 

[Pop]

$5 a month...

c'mon guys

 

[J-Man]

Sucks that Sony locked multiplayer behind a paywall. Not surprised though, and since I'm already a PS+ subscriber for the free games it does not affect me now. I only play NHL maybe a couple of times a month online, which is not enough that it'd make me pay for online if I was not already a subscriber, but enough to make me miss it.

The announcement kinda went under the raider (pr at least did not have a reaction) as it was mashed into the good news of no DRM and no online required.

 

[AllenShrz]

Well, this is it. Im getting PSN plus today.

 

[WrenchNinja]

$5 a month...

c'mon guys

Multiple users on a single console, come on dude.

 

[haikira]

Microsoft wins. Game over Sony.

How exactly does Microsoft win, by still charging more a month?

 

[Card Boy]

Multiple users on a single console, come on dude.

Your brother/sister/cousin/partner can't use the same profile as you now? Unless you care that much about your kill death ratio.

 

[davepoobond]

im disappointed, but there's a couple things to consider:

1. PS+ actually has more benefits than Xbox Live -- free games most of all.
2. it doesnt lock you out of anything else, like netflix or the web browser.


i think that its fine considering the two points, but i really am not going to be subscribing to it. i never play online games and the one or two times i ever go online for a game i won't be able to do it on a console i guess.


also, i dont understand how xbox one benefits from this at all. you were already paying for xbox live and it costs more each month. it just knocks off a benefit from getting a playstation.

 

[Proven]

Incorrect. Someone who just signed up for PS+ would not have all the games I have. And unlike XBLG, you don't feel like your money is going to waste when you're not playing online, because you still get all the games.

And then you'd lose them all the second you stop subscribing! You don't actually own any "free" games!

I'd still have all those games I bought at a discount though. Pretty much paid for itself. The whole f2p angle the PS4 was going for is a little bogus now though...

Yeah but what about all the fucking Discounts PS+ offers

I mean $50 investment pays back close to ten fold if you are moderate to heavy purchaser

Have you seen the crazy PS+ prices that get put on

Shit if you purchased titles you would be in the black right now, pay $50 to join the party, and save over $200-400+ in savings!
That's on top of getting rentals from PS+

So unless Netflix lets you purchase a movie for a discounted price from their streaming service, PS+ is not totally like Netflix, so calm the fuck down (I can't believe I typed those words) and let go of the caps lock cruise control

Fake Edit: Beaten >_<, I should've known better =/

Oh, great. Savings. I'm just going to stick with Steam for those, where I get the savings without having to make any investment.