Celestial Mortal
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Why is Microsoft using a Nvidia GTX 7xx in the Xbox One demo units?
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Jeeze, you guys...
Should say 'that's the one approach'.
If you don't know why they chose to do that how can you judge their decision.
Celestial Mortal
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Green Yoshi
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It exists already a Xbox One emulator for PC? Great to hear. ^^
And I guess they have internet in L.A. ...
@Topic: Nvidia. The way it's meant to be played. ;-)
gaming_noob
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Celestial Mortal
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That's not a bad idea for a trend
It's not like he's gonna reply
That's not the issue, it's childish.
Just LocoCycle it seems, yeah.
Yup, it probably has SLI'd Titans. I mean look at the Xbone's size compared to PS4. When there is smoke ..
Celestial Mortal
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BruceLeeRoy
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Hasan, this tip is for free.
When they don't announce what the specific specs of the unit are it is never because the components are superior.
dragonelite
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Nah chance are bigger that it has received a downclock given console history or that they have a 7790 in it.
But given the 764 ops/cycle an engineer said on the hardware panel makes the 7790 unlikely given that it can do 896 ops/cycle. It would bring the performance closer to the ps4 with 1.79Tflops on 7790 on 1.0 Ghz, 1.57Tflops on 900mhz or 1.4TFlops on 800mhz.
These would all be valid options for microsoft. But they don't have the time to do it if unless they did have multiple prototypes. The case is so big so they could tinker with the cooling.
Or they are late and that is why they are supporting only like 21 countries at launch because they think they are supply strained..
But i have given up hope for a better gpu because of the pr push for cloud resources. And the games showed on E3 don't seem to show the 50% more gpu performance on the ps4, they both are probably more cpu constrained then gpu constrained. They also didn't push the SHAPE sound block so either sony has the same block or something similar. It could be a very good push to improve immersion in games sounds do lag behind graphics. But the developers that do push audio you can tell in game especially dice with Bad company and BF3. Explosion have a bang to them.
I don't care if its Sony, Nintendo, or MS. Show your game on devkits, not representative PCs. In this case it wasn't even representative therefore misrepresenting the game. It's beyond questionable to me. It's a shady practice, full stop!
Ninja Moomin
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xbox 360 was exactly the same... Its first e3 was actually g3 macs if i remember right.
mysteriousmage09
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The big thing is, when these games are usually running on PC, they are built as close to the actual system specs as possible, except, usually, ram amount. The main thing people are pointing out in this thread, is that the Xbone games are running on PCs outfitted with GPUs that are more then twice as powerful then what the actual console will have, at least on that specific demo stand in the OP. The biggest point about all this is the console is suppose to be out in 5 months and MS are stepping beyond the definition of bullshit by showing these games on PC's with way higher specs rather then "console ballpark" specs and when they actually have to get these games running on the farrrrr weaker hardware that the actual console will contain....they are fucked.
Windom Earle
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I think launch titles on PS4 like Killzone or Infamous already look better than anything on Xbox. Titanfall was also PC like all the EA stuff. The heavy hitters that make better use of the hardware will come later, stuff like The Order, Deep Down or the Wizard demo show a glimpse. Also Ubi is using PS4 hardware (DS4 on stage?) to demo Watch Dogs and Division, but not 100% sure on that.
I think the difference will only get bigger over time and even the early multiplatform titles should show it.
Difference being that those were MS certified Xenon kits. This here is just a desktop PC.
Moral Panic
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You're making assumptions in bad faith. If my GPU is a GTX Titan and I play Crysis at locked 30FPS medium settings, how is that any different to playing it on a GTX660Ti at the same settings?
that you will play at solid 30 fps throughout, with a less powerful GPU the same can't be said specially playing Crisis, so if the demo units had a 7XX series GPU even if the framerate was capped those PC-based kiosks were in theory pushing more eye-candy while suffer little to no slowdown, something that we cannot say about the actual Xbox One GPU... we can only "guess" the performance and IQ won't be the same even if the framerate was capped.
Nah, but only minors games like Crismon dragon seems to not have an xbox 1.
Other big games like Ryse were on Xbox 1 from what I saw.
Source > http://www.pcworld.com/video/26823/microsoft-booth-tour-e3-2013.html
dragonelite
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They looked better but i said its not the that much better that every one claimed it was going to be. 5o% more flops 100% more bandwidth EDram is just shit we have been there with last gen when ps3 was all better on paper. While the 360 beat it a lot multiplat games at the start and it was evened out like last year.
The Hewlett pc could be certified Durango dev kits. Its seems EA also used the same kit to promote BF4 on console at least that was what i heard on B3D.
Windom Earle
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People keep bringing up the PS360 comparison from last gen, but as many have already said it is not valid. This time both systems have the same architecture with one have 50% more raw power and a faster and easier RAM setup. Sony is also rumored to have the more mature dev environment at the moment. All this does not bode well for MS and this thread and the rumors we have heard make me think that people might be in for a rude awakening when checking out the launch titles.
A certified Durango kit with Corsair water cooling and W7? I doubt it.
captainraincoat
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Is the actual GPU in the xbone confirmed as an AMD based chip?
Yeah, a long time ago.
dr_rus
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Ryse is a Crytek game. When a Crytek game looks just "good" you have a reason to be worried.
PopcornMegaphone
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Used-ID
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in this cabinet, there is no xbox one
Is it just me or is there no kinect in that pic either?
Yoda
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Good point, the system isn't suppose to turn on w/o a functional kinect.
as explained here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62236567&postcount=5246
SuperEpicGuy
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How do you know it's 7xx and not 6xx or 5xx?
Tfault
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Knack was definitely running on PS4 hardware as a games crash revealed that only about 400GB of HDD is available to the user.
Knack PS4 Game Crash Reveals HDD Space At E3
Knack PS4 Game Crash Reveals HDD Space At E3
all launch game to be Aliens:Colonial Marine'd?
running on a more powerful GPU doesn't mean anything in terms of what specs they are coding to. They'll want more power because they are emulating a closed system, and it doesn't mean they're using all the power of a Titan for instance.
It is curious they are using an Nvidia rather than an AMD GPU, you'd think that'd make it more difficult to run their devkits on. Oh well.
I'm a little surprised they are still running games on PCs - shouldn't they have final silicon now - at least enough for devkits?
Well, damn!
angular graphics
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We actually don't know that. How do we know these machines hadn't drivers for the controller preinstalled? Drivers that MS might or might not release for PC?
BF4 is as big as they come. Passed PC demo as Xbone footage. On their conference stage too, lame as fuck.
FiveMinuteHero
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I think the day when Xbox One games are hacked to run on a PC will come.
Amey
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Why wudn't they wanna sell millions of more xbone controllers?
@ $60-70 per piece that's a lot of sales.
Amey
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No.
Rumored to be heavily gimped pitcairn. Which again is being downgraded to control yield issues.
Im thinking the same since they announced the specs of both consoles...they really are like Pcs, arent they? so if they dont have an exotic arquitecture anymore what could be the reason for not having a perfect emulation?
Can somebody shed some light on this matter?
Nobody really seems to want to talk about the idea of emulating the new consoles. Probably sounds farfetched indeed because they'll be new and strong.
