GameplayWhore
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Because of this thread, I started up a new game of nethack for the first time in months.
Damnit. I was just starting to get productive again.
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I want to play a hack n' slash (Musou). What's the best?
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AdawgDaFAB
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Right now is a great time to be a fan of these kinds of games.
DW8 is the best mainline DW game so far. It is packed with content and upgrades that make it a clear choice over 7+XL (although I do love both and have been replaying the story mode in 7 the past week). It is well worth a full price purchase. Honestly too, I loved Orochi 3 but I find it hard to go back to it after playing 8. That said, I still do want to get 3 Ultimate when it comes out. I'm interested in all the new characters in it and I want to see wtf they do for a new story, considering how 3 ended.
One Piece Pirate Warriors 2 is a fantastic sequel that addressed nearly every issue from the first while adding a bunch of new stuff to it. I hate the first game, yet love 2. This comes out soon in English.
Kamen Rider Battride War recently came out in Japan and it is a surprisingly well done game. To me it feels less like a cash in licensed game and more like an attempt to make a Rider game with BASARA gameplay (closer to SB2H than SB3U tho). If you like the genre and are into Toku, then I certainly recommend it. The game won't set the world on fire, but it was really fun to play and I hope we get a sequel someday.
Speaking of BASARA, Sengoku BASARA 3 Utage is still my favorite game in the genre. It has been out for a while now, so it doesn't fit the current releases theme the above do, but its a game that shouldn't be missed. They doubled the roster from 3 (SB:SH in the west) and made all the returning characters even better than they were in 2H/3. I have sunk many, many a hour into that game.
Sengoku BASARA 4 and Sengoku Musou 4 are both coming out early next year in Japan and are bound to be really big. I'm already loving what I've seen in SB4 just from their first trailer, so I know it's gonna be a day 1 import for me.
Oh and lastly, I know its not a popular opinion but, if you are interested in the Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage games, I'd recommend 1 over 2. While 2 added a bunch of characters and covered the whole story, the gameplay was dumbed down far too much for my tastes. 1 may have had slower gameplay, but far more combat options that led to it being a deeper and more enjoyable combat engine.
DW8 is the best mainline DW game so far. It is packed with content and upgrades that make it a clear choice over 7+XL (although I do love both and have been replaying the story mode in 7 the past week). It is well worth a full price purchase. Honestly too, I loved Orochi 3 but I find it hard to go back to it after playing 8. That said, I still do want to get 3 Ultimate when it comes out. I'm interested in all the new characters in it and I want to see wtf they do for a new story, considering how 3 ended.
One Piece Pirate Warriors 2 is a fantastic sequel that addressed nearly every issue from the first while adding a bunch of new stuff to it. I hate the first game, yet love 2. This comes out soon in English.
Kamen Rider Battride War recently came out in Japan and it is a surprisingly well done game. To me it feels less like a cash in licensed game and more like an attempt to make a Rider game with BASARA gameplay (closer to SB2H than SB3U tho). If you like the genre and are into Toku, then I certainly recommend it. The game won't set the world on fire, but it was really fun to play and I hope we get a sequel someday.
Speaking of BASARA, Sengoku BASARA 3 Utage is still my favorite game in the genre. It has been out for a while now, so it doesn't fit the current releases theme the above do, but its a game that shouldn't be missed. They doubled the roster from 3 (SB:SH in the west) and made all the returning characters even better than they were in 2H/3. I have sunk many, many a hour into that game.
Sengoku BASARA 4 and Sengoku Musou 4 are both coming out early next year in Japan and are bound to be really big. I'm already loving what I've seen in SB4 just from their first trailer, so I know it's gonna be a day 1 import for me.
Oh and lastly, I know its not a popular opinion but, if you are interested in the Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage games, I'd recommend 1 over 2. While 2 added a bunch of characters and covered the whole story, the gameplay was dumbed down far too much for my tastes. 1 may have had slower gameplay, but far more combat options that led to it being a deeper and more enjoyable combat engine.
Lee Chaolan
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Warriors Orochi 3, Dynasty Warriors Gundam 3 or Samurai Warriors 2 if you have a 360. (PS3 Remake coming later)
Also honorable mention to Ninety-Nine Nights which is very hard, but rewarding on 360. Also dat soundtrack.
Also honorable mention to Ninety-Nine Nights which is very hard, but rewarding on 360. Also dat soundtrack.
AdawgDaFAB
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If it comes out in English then the Samurai Warriors 2 HD Collection is a really good group of games.
- 2+XL may be missing characters, spirit dash and Ultimate Musou attacks from 3, but it has a lot of good stories and I found Mercenaries Mode to be really enjoyable. Oh and
- SW2 Empires is tied with DW5E as my favorite English released Empires game (if only DW7E had a free mode like these did 
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- 2+XL may be missing characters, spirit dash and Ultimate Musou attacks from 3, but it has a lot of good stories and I found Mercenaries Mode to be really enjoyable. Oh and
I have spent more time than I'm willing to admit playing Sugoroku.
).Lee Chaolan
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If it comes out in English then the Samurai Warriors 2 HD Collection is a really good group of games.
- 2+XL may be missing characters, spirit dash and Ultimate Musou attacks from 3, but it has a lot of good stories and I found Mercenaries Mode to be really enjoyable. Oh and- SW2 Empires is tied with DW5E as my favorite English released Empires game (if only DW7E had a free mode like these didI have spent more time than I'm willing to admit playing Sugoroku.
OMG you played tons of
Sugoroku!
Also, yes, Mercenary Mode is amazing. "Important Request" is one of my favorite Samurai Warriors songs.
QisTopTier
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Picked up Warriors Orochi 3.
Then, once DW 8 drops in price a bit, I will pick that one up.
This should be good. Thanks for all the advice, and starting the thread
Warriors Orochi 3 is the marvel vs capcom 3 of musou games. It's fucking hectic and fun as hell. You made a wonderful choice
I completely agree with you. Hokuto Musou was awesome and I spent so many hours on it with just Kenshiro and Mamiya alone. The story mode wasn't the best but the dream mode was very much inline with other musou games.
Was pumped for Shin Hokuto Musou but it ended up being a pretty big let down. It didn't even look as good as the original game did. :/ I think Omega Force only worked on the original and didn't do the sequel, which would explain a lot.
Boogalogist
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I'd recommend Warriors Orochi 3. Had tons of fun with that...but you might want to wait for the Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate version coming out...uh...sometime soon. MOAR characters and....uh...stuff..
I've been hearing good things with Dynasty Warriors 8. Though I haven't played it, you could check it out based on the positive user reviews so far.
I've been hearing good things with Dynasty Warriors 8. Though I haven't played it, you could check it out based on the positive user reviews so far.
robotzombie
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Sengoku basara samurai heroes is far and away the absolute best gameplay wise (and much more subjectively, character design wise)
The only knock against it would be only having 16 characters. But then again each of the 16 is extremely unique and fun as opposed to the trend dynasty warriors games have been going which is adding tons and tons of kind of same-y movesets
The only knock against it would be only having 16 characters. But then again each of the 16 is extremely unique and fun as opposed to the trend dynasty warriors games have been going which is adding tons and tons of kind of same-y movesets
digita1alchemy
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Another vote for Sengoku Basara Samurai Heroes. I'm also really enjoying Ken's Rage 2, although I guess that would be more of a "punch n' kick". For a possible change of scenery, were the DW Gundam games any good?
robotzombie
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Language barrier isn't significant at all and I'd be able to point you in the direction of any translation guides should you be interested. Utage is definitely an improvement over vanilla SB3, moreso in the realm of just more "stuff", like characters and stages. The gameplay itself is awesome in both games. I'd definitely recommend Utage if you are fine with importing. I'd even recommend the HD ps3 collection of the original games if you get real interested in the series
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Honestly I'm surprised it took this long for a post like this to pop up.
Personally, I'm waiting for the Warriors Orochi 3 complete version as I enjoy the 3 members team in the other two.
If you have no idea about the history that Samurai Warriors is based on, I recommend Samurai Warriors for the 3DS. It's pretty much the only game in the Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors series that doesn't assume you know the history the games are based on.
If you have no idea about the history that Samurai Warriors is based on, I recommend Samurai Warriors for the 3DS. It's pretty much the only game in the Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors series that doesn't assume you know the history the games are based on.
Hm, honestly, I like SB3 as much as the next person (and am still hopelessly waiting for Utage to come over), but that series would be kind of a weird one to jump into without previous Musou experience. SB3's combat is a step above what you find in the Warriors games (due to individual character gimmicks that make them a smidge more complex in comparison), but everything else beyond that is a step way down (like the severe lack of mission types or any real sort of map strategy whatsoever). A genuine Musou title would still be worth a look, I think. WO3, DW8, Gundam 3, and even Samurai Warriors: Chronicles on 3DS have all been recommended and would be great places to start.
As for a hack and slash game with more involved mechanics akin to DMC or Bayonetta, I can't think of any, mainly because they're totally different in my eyes. Even some shooter-esque games like EDF and experiments like Crimson Sea (Koei) have more in common with Musou titles than the latter has with DMC/Bayo. I think Sengoku Basara would've been the most apt recommendation for your request. I'd venture to say that most people who appreciate this genre do so for many reasons beyond combat, whether it be battlefield management, grinding/collection, relaxation/unwinding, or even just the campiness and sheer audacity of everything. If deep fighting mechanics are mainly what you're looking for then you might be out of luck.
Now, putting yourself into a cathartic state by killing things is another story. Plenty of other games would work for that. I remember feeling really satisfied sending enemies careening across the screen in something like Otogi, for example, and Kratos' double-chained blades have a really wide attacking radius that can sometimes make God of War feel Musou-ish in terms of killing mobs of enemies (whereas DMC/Bayo tend to feel a bit more one-on-one). If you ignore the ranking system, Raiden can go to town on hapless foes in much the same way. Action RPGs like Kingdom Hearts and Darksiders can evoke a similar "trampling over bubble wrap" feeling, as well. Even some shmups with their popcorn/zako enemies do the trick for me sometimes.
It all just depends on what you're craving, I guess. =\
Maybe try Drakengard 2, it isnt MUCH deeper but has some other stuff to it, look it up and see what you think. Also batshit crazy story
I've seen tons of posts recommending Gundam Musou 3, but I really can't agree. I thought it was the worst in the series, with map variety basically removed altogether, the laziest possible story mode without even an attempt at a good Official mode like GM1 and 2, mobile suit balance being tossed out the window (lol KNIGHT GUNDAM) and tons of missions being the laziest possible copy/paste attempts. It's seriously one of the most boring musou titles I've played, despite the new combat features. I'd greatly suggest playing 1 or 2 instead, even if they're more mechanically dated.
jayfrontz08
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God of war
God of war 2
God of war 3
God of war 2
God of war 3
Polioliolio
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Muramasa.
I have this on Wii, but for some reason I can't be bothered to play it.. PC version please?
Yeah...all this.
BASARA 4 looks amazing, so I certainly hope that Koei actually makes a solid effort to up the ante with Sengoku Musou 4. SM3 just left me feeling so flat in comparison to SB3.
Once upon a time, before Koei started making "franchise" Musou games, Samurai Warriors was where they did a lot of experimenting. I wouldn't mind that aspect returning again...
dakkumauji
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The only thing that Utage really lacks is the story mode from SB3. Only the really new characters have a story mode now, though most of your time will be spent in Conquest mode instead of Story mode.
But, yes, great improvement over the original game.
Valkyria
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Thanks both of you. I have played almost every game you recommended (outside of Dynasty Warriors and such), even Crimson Dragon 2. I liked the demo of Bladestorm, it reminded me Kingdom under fire, if I could find it cheap I would give it a go.
Seeing how this is turning into a general musou recommendation thread, what are you guys thoughts on the following?
Warriors: Legends of Troy
Bladestorm: The Hundred Year's War
Trinity: Souls of Zill Oll
Dynasty Warriors NEXT
I've been wanting to pick them up on the cheap for some time now, but I've heard that the quality of some these can vary wildly. I didn't like the touchscreen stuff in the NEXT demo all that much either, but having a Musou title on the go sounds great.
Warriors: Legends of Troy
Bladestorm: The Hundred Year's War
Trinity: Souls of Zill Oll
Dynasty Warriors NEXT
I've been wanting to pick them up on the cheap for some time now, but I've heard that the quality of some these can vary wildly. I didn't like the touchscreen stuff in the NEXT demo all that much either, but having a Musou title on the go sounds great.
AdawgDaFAB
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Personally I can't recommend Utage enough. They doubled the roster by making npcs playable and bringing back SB2H vets. They finally made Matsunaga playable. They added a bunch of new stages. They brought back Unification mode. They made it so every character now had 5 skills at once (hold square being the new one for many). Etc... The improvements over 3 are enough that the only reason I ever suggest 3 is for those who refuse to import yet can easily get SB:SH.
The language barrier becomes near nonexistent after a brief time usings some FAQs (mostly for equipmtable item).
IDK what team worked on them, but I'm almost certain that the team that did OPKM1 did SHM. It feels like they tried to take what was done in HM and toss it into OPKM's engine. Sure it speed things up, but it removed jump, block and enough other combat options to the point where the sequel felt watered down to me.
I've also been looking. I can say do not bother with One Piece or Dynasty Warriors Next. I want to try DW8 on PS3 or Warriors Orochi 3 on Wii U. These games need an interesting character growth mechanic to keep me hooked. Neither of the games I listed do a good job at that. Dynasty Warriors 7 also failed in that regard.
For anyone interested, DW7 > Next = Ninety Nine Nights > One Piece
Those are all of the current gen musou games I've played.
For anyone interested, DW7 > Next = Ninety Nine Nights > One Piece
Those are all of the current gen musou games I've played.
dakkumauji
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Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
AdawgDaFAB
Member
Completely agree.
Another suggestion for a non-standard Musou game is DW Strikeforce and Multi-Raid 2. Its a shame MR2 never came here as SF2, as it had a lot of nice improvements. Alas both are fun and worth checking out if you want a different take on things.
Also, Anarchy Reigns' is very musou like and extremely fun overall. I had a blast with that game in both SP and MP.
Nier is closer to a standard arpg than musou, but seeing some previous recommendations I figured I should toss that out there as well. AMAZING music, engaging world / characters and some interesting takes on hack n slash arpg gameplay.
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FrontalMonk
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of the recent musou games, I've played DW8, DW7, DW7E, and WO3. IMO if you're between DW7 or WO3, go for WO3. The character selection is completely ridiculous, and the game is fun as hell, to boot. DW7E is a solid entry in the Empires series, but isn't what I'd recommend for someone new to the musou games.
In all honesty, I've been absolutely adoring DW8 and I'd say if you're willing to spring for the $60 pricetag, you won't be disappointed. Easily the best DW entry this generation; there's a lot of game to be had there. If not though, I'd say get WO3, or wait for WO3 ultra as others have stated.
In all honesty, I've been absolutely adoring DW8 and I'd say if you're willing to spring for the $60 pricetag, you won't be disappointed. Easily the best DW entry this generation; there's a lot of game to be had there. If not though, I'd say get WO3, or wait for WO3 ultra as others have stated.
Ah that's right, I forgot Orochi 3 Ultimate was Vita-bound as well. Hopefully TecmoKoei announce a NA localization soon, I'd much rather not have to import it.
Glowing praise! I'll definitely pick it up next time I see it then.
I love me some Basara, but...no. There's just way more going on in the recent Koei games. They have eclipsed Capcom.
You get more characters with the Sengoku Basara 3 Utage expansion (Japanese-only), but your comment about the movesets tells me that you haven't played Dynasty Warriors 8, which offers unique main weapons for everyone.
Warriors Orochi 3 is the best of them all though. The team switching system is so good.
Wait for Orochi 3 Ultimate (which may not come out in English) or import One Piece Kaizoku Musou 2 (which is definitely not coming out in English for the Vita), which is a fantastic port of the PS3 version. I have the game on both platforms and the Vita version is missing nothing and visually is very close.
And there's also Senran Kagura Shonovi Versus, which is another awesome Vita musou game, albeit an extremely, embarrassingly, hilariously perverted one.
Question for Dynasty fans:
I'm thinking about buying Dynasty 7 Empires... but how likely are they to make an 8 Empires?
I've read 8 has fixed a lot of the FPS issues and that would probably make it a much better candidate.
(also, I'm a patient man, if I have to wait a year for 8 Empires, I don't mind)
I'm thinking about buying Dynasty 7 Empires... but how likely are they to make an 8 Empires?
I've read 8 has fixed a lot of the FPS issues and that would probably make it a much better candidate.
(also, I'm a patient man, if I have to wait a year for 8 Empires, I don't mind)
Is 8 Empires even necessary with the Ambition mode in DW8?
But look at Koei's track record...seems pretty likely, lol.
Haha, I'm unfortunately not much of a One Piece fan. I can dig original stuff like Zill O'll and properties I'm not as familiar with like Hokuto Musou (hell, that and the first Gundam Musou got me into watching those series in the first place), but OP doesn't do much for me.
robotzombie
Member
Edit: this response is to lyte edge, for some reason the quote didn't work
I'm currently playing dw8 and what I meant by my comment was that koei has decided on a quantity over quality path. While yes, you can look on the back of the box and see a bullet point of "77 unique movesets!", the vast majority are still very same-y. You are going to play most of the characters the same way, there honestly isn't much uniqueness between them. That is why I stand by my initial statement. For all the "more" koei tries to pile on, capcom actually took a risk and hit the reset button bigtime going into SB3 and really focus on making exciting and unique experiences for each character. My enjoyment of these games is built mostly on experiencing the different characters, finding my favorites, and building them up, and I feel capcom just flat out wins in that department. I really don't see a contest in terms of flat out gameplay, to me SB is king
I'm currently playing dw8 and what I meant by my comment was that koei has decided on a quantity over quality path. While yes, you can look on the back of the box and see a bullet point of "77 unique movesets!", the vast majority are still very same-y. You are going to play most of the characters the same way, there honestly isn't much uniqueness between them. That is why I stand by my initial statement. For all the "more" koei tries to pile on, capcom actually took a risk and hit the reset button bigtime going into SB3 and really focus on making exciting and unique experiences for each character. My enjoyment of these games is built mostly on experiencing the different characters, finding my favorites, and building them up, and I feel capcom just flat out wins in that department. I really don't see a contest in terms of flat out gameplay, to me SB is king
Sengoku BASARA Samurai Warriors (DA BESS, just feels so good, experimenting with all your various moves to make the longest and hardest hitting combos is so much fun)
Dynasty Warriors Gundam 1 or 3 (1 feels better, 3 has a fuckton of playable MS)
Warriors Orochi 3 (though you might want to wait for Ultimate)
FOTNS: Ken's Rage 2 (just improves on everything in the original)
I've heard good things about Trinity: Souls of Zill O'll, and Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce looks wild 'n' currayzee enough for the DBZ fans among us. One Piece Kaizoku Musou 2 looks neat, I'd really like to play that one myself.
Actually, now that I look at it, there's a lot of these games about, isn't there?
Dynasty Warriors Gundam 1 or 3 (1 feels better, 3 has a fuckton of playable MS)
Warriors Orochi 3 (though you might want to wait for Ultimate)
FOTNS: Ken's Rage 2 (just improves on everything in the original)
I've heard good things about Trinity: Souls of Zill O'll, and Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce looks wild 'n' currayzee enough for the DBZ fans among us. One Piece Kaizoku Musou 2 looks neat, I'd really like to play that one myself.
Actually, now that I look at it, there's a lot of these games about, isn't there?
It depends on what you're looking for in the game, I guess. I do agree that SB gives you a bit more flexibility in how you customize/set up your character due to accessories and the changeable special attack and has more "variety" between characters (which honestly isn't that hard when your roster size is 1/4 the amount of SSM), but then SB3 makes you play the same 10 or so stages with every character multiple times for every route, with only the ones at the end being (rarely) unique to them. At least when doing the story modes in SSM, even maps from different viewpoints have different objectives to them. By the time I fully finished SB3, I was so done with having to repeat the same stages over and over again with little to no variety, which greatly hampers just how creative you can be with different characters.
There's only so many times I'm gonna want to do Hetsugigawa: Memories, THE LAST STAND or Gassantoda Castle before I totally lose it.
There's only so many times I'm gonna want to do Hetsugigawa: Memories, THE LAST STAND or Gassantoda Castle before I totally lose it.
dakkumauji
Member
Most definitely. They always make an Empires spinoff and that ends up selling decently enough for them.
Empires is pretty different from Ambition mode since it follows much more closely with the gameplay of the ROTK games.
robotzombie
Member
You highlighted one of the things that actually bothers me a lot about basara. Even when there are a lot of unique stages, they games tend to funnel you into modes where you end up seeing the same small group over and over again. While you can just go into free mode and have a ton of options, you are losing out on unlocking things playing other modes. It's something I'm really hoping gets corrected in sb4
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Dolphin it if you own the game already.
Also, so many people recommending games that aren't Musou games.
Orochi 3 is great. Three characters (and dynamic switching) is a game changer.
Might pick up the ultimate version too. Perhaps on vita.
1) When a "deluxe" edition is announced for a musou game, is there a chance to "upgrade" to the complete edition by buying some DLC on the PSN store?
2) Are save-games compatible between the versions, or is it possible to import progress form the older game?
Thanks
Might pick up the ultimate version too. Perhaps on vita.
1) When a "deluxe" edition is announced for a musou game, is there a chance to "upgrade" to the complete edition by buying some DLC on the PSN store?
2) Are save-games compatible between the versions, or is it possible to import progress form the older game?
Thanks