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[64bitmodels]

Capcom's got some good stuff under their belt like DMC (which invented the genre), Monster Hunter (although i don't know if it truly counts), and Dragon's Dogma
Platinum works on more IPs but their stuff feels a bit more samey while Capcom's 3 main hack and slash games vary wildly. Dragon's Dogma is an open world hack and slash with lots of RPG elements, DMC is just pure action, and Monster Hunter is focused more on... monster hunting..? ( i don't play the games much)

However i feel the best of Platinum is much better than the best of Capcom. Nier Automata is a masterpiece from what ive played, bayonetta was so good it brought the genre to new heights of popularity, and MGR had a resurgence in popularity for a reason. I can't think of many Capcom hack and slashes that reach those heights besides the original DMC.

 

[SEGA_2012]

Capcom. The best third party of all time.

 

[ShirAhava]

Platinum! I'd take Astral Chain over anything Capcom has done that game really impressed me

 

[Lethal01]

Platinum! I'd take Astral Chain over anything Capcom has done that game really impressed me

It's an okay game I suppose.

If you are into genre defining masterpieces or whatever.

 

[Fart Knight]

PG makes AA games. Capcom triple AAAA.

 

[64bitmodels]

Capcom. The best third party of all time.

i can't deny that, i love them because they do a little bit of everything. Platformers, survival horror, shooter games, fighting games, hack and slash, they do all 5 of these genres and nail them every time. and out of every other third party they seem to actively hate their consumers the least.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Capcom. The best third party of all time.

That being said, the first Bayonetta is truly brilliant, a spectacular achievement of video game design. One of the best games ever made.

 

[hemo memo]

Capcom wins for Dragon's Dogma alone.

 

[Banjo64]

PG makes AA games. Capcom triple AAAA.

AAAAAAAAAAAA games!?

 

[InfiniteCombo]

This is actually a really, really good thread concept. Both Capcom and Platinum are awesome.

Wasn't Platinum at one point composed of former Capcom employees anyway? (Or maybe it still is?)

 

[The_hunter]

This is actually a really, really good thread concept. Both Capcom and Platinum are awesome.

Wasn't Platinum at one point composed of former Capcom employees anyway? (Or maybe it still is?)

Platinum has members from clover studio.

 

[Fart Knight]

This is actually a really, really good thread concept. Both Capcom and Platinum are awesome.

Wasn't Platinum at one point composed of former Capcom employees anyway? (Or maybe it still is?)

Never forget

 

[MasterDerico]

Both are awesome, with different flavors!

 

[jufonuk]

Capcom. The best third party of all time.

Old school Konami says hi

 

[ProgenitorCastle]

 

[01011001]

Bayonetta is better than any DMC

case closed

 

[Amiga]

Team Ninja

 

[Fbh]

Capcom seems more consistent with their quality (at least as of late) but overall I probably still enjoy Platinum games more.
I was quite disappointed with DMC5. The combat was nice but everything else about it felt really underwhelming.

 

[GametimeUK]

Strictly hack and slash? Platinum Games wins it for me. I think the quantity and quality just overwhelms the Capcom games that spring to my mind.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Old school Konami says hi

Old school Konami is a very close second to old school Capcom. The gap widens quite a bit in Capcom's favor when you take their entire history (not just "old school") into account.

 

[CosmicComet]

I would easily choose DMC5 over any Platinum game.

 

[jufonuk]

Old school Konami is a very close second to old school Capcom. The gap widens quite a bit in Capcom's favor when you take their entire history (not just "old school") into account.

Agreed. Modern Konami is shit

 

[Mister Wolf]

DMC5 is better than anything Platinum could even dream of making. This comparison is like an ant vs an elephant.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

DMC5 is better than anything Platinum could even dream of making. This comparison is like an ant vs an elephant.

DMC5 is still in my backlog so I have yet to make a direct comparison myself.

But I don't know man, Bayonetta 1 is a (flawed) masterpiece.

 

[lovetalkgames]

Can’t give Capcom DMC when the PlatinumGames founder created it.

 

[Labolas]

Bayonetta is still the game for me. And I tend to favor PG's games in general. But DMC5 was good, but I didn't love it. DMC3 is still my favorite of the franchise. But companies deserve love.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Team Ninja made the GOAT

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Can’t give Capcom DMC when the PlatinumGames founder created it.

What a weird take.

Capcom doesn't need you to "give" it anything. They own, develop, and publish the IP conceived by someone who was employed by them at the time of conception and creation of the fist game in the series.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Team Ninja made the GOAT

 

[Werewolf Jones]

DMC5 doesn't have dodge mechanics.

You ain't never catching me playing that on god.

PG* easily.

 

[Saber]

I would say Team Ninja as well, but Ninja Gaiden Black is the only one I remotly like(and it's freaking awesome).

My vote goes for Platinum. Bayonetta has being pretty consistent through years.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

dodge mechanics.

This is part of the genius of Bayonetta.

You have a dodge that allows for multiple skill levels:

- Dodge way too early, and you might even get hit by the enemy attack
- Dodge early, and you'll dodge the attack but get no reward
- Dodge on time, and you get Witch Time.
- Dodge at the last second, and you get Crow Within (Witch Time plus magic orbs)

And that's just for the dodge. The same design applies to parrying with the Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa accessory. (Which, when mastered, gives you even more rewards than dodging)

 

[Mister Wolf]

DMC5 is still in my backlog so I have yet to make a direct comparison myself.

But I don't know man, Bayonetta 1 is a (flawed) masterpiece.

You'll see........

 

[Labolas]

This is part of the genius of Bayonetta.

You have a dodge that allows for multiple skill levels:

- Dodge way too early, and you might even get hit by the enemy attack
- Dodge early, and you'll dodge the attack but get no reward
- Dodge on time, and you get Witch Time.
- Dodge at the last second, and you get Crow Within (Witch Time plus magic orbs)

And that's just for the dodge. The same design applies to parrying with the Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa accessory. (Which, when mastered, gives you even more rewards than dodging)

Yup and it gives longer witch time as well.

 

[Bragr]

The old Capcom sure, but not the modern.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Yup and it gives longer witch time as well.

Ah, that's right. I definitely remember that when you do a "perfect parry" with Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa, it gives you a shit ton of extra Witch Time, but didn't remember if you also got extra Witch Time from Crow Within.

Thanks, man!

EDIT: part of my trouble remembering was because once I mastered the game, I mostly played with Jeanne and never looked back. And remember, Jeanne doesn't get Witch Time from regular dodges like Bayo does, she only gets Witch Time from perfect dodges (her version is called "Moth Within"), so I didn't remember if it gives extra time compared to a regular dodge Witch Time. Anyway, carrying on...

 

[Begleiter]

It's difficult to compare because Platinum don't have the money or tech that Capcom teams work with. I'd say DMC5 has set a bar that Bayo 3 should aim to pass, though.

 

[Woopah]

I wouldn't call Monster Hunter or Dragons Dogma hack and slash, so the only recent game Capcom have in the category is DMC 5.

 

[T4keD0wN]

Platinum games = capcom at home

 

[Labolas]

Ah, that's right. I definitely remember that when you do a "perfect parry" with Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa, it gives you a shit ton of extra Witch Time, but didn't remember if you also got extra Witch Time from Crow Within.

Thanks, man!

EDIT: part of my trouble remembering was because once I mastered the game, I mostly played with Jeanne and never looked back. And remember, Jeanne doesn't get Witch Time from regular dodges like Bayo does, she only gets Witch Time from perfect dodges (her version is called "Moth Within"), so I didn't remember if it gives extra time compared to a regular dodge Witch Time. Anyway, carrying on...

Jeanne is the git gud character for sure. It's super difficult to Pure Platinum with her in Hard Mode.

 

[lachesis]

Aren't Soul-bourn games also hack and slash though...?

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Its a cowards answer but I honestly think it might be a tie. Toe for toe, blow for blow.

 

[kiphalfton]

That being said, the first Bayonetta is truly brilliant, a spectacular achievement of video game design. One of the best games ever made.

Bayonetta had crap level design and looked like a PS2 game. That's the problem with PG though, is they have have no budget and their games look like ass.

 

[Hoppa]

Omega Force

 

[Shifty]

No man should be forced to make such a choice...

Platinum have inarguably been more prolific with good melee combat games over the last decade or so, but they're also in kind of a weird spot right now where their recent output has included some real trash, and it's encumbent on Bayonetta 3 to kick all kinds of ass in order to drag their rep back up.

Meanwhile Capcom killed it with DMC5, but we're not likely to see another for a long ass time because they are - as ever - busy with Resi.

Both have something to offer, therefore:

Aren't Soul-bourn games also hack and slash though...?

In the most literal sense, yes.

Luckily they aren't made by Capcom or Platinum, so despite the broad classification this discussion is rolling with, we should be able to avoid the inevitable arguments about whether RPG elements and game structure disqualify a given game from the genre.

Bayonetta had crap level design and looked like a PS2 game. That's the problem with PG though, is they have have no budget and their games look like ass.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Bayonetta had crap level design and looked like a PS2 game. That's the problem with PG though, is they have have no budget and their games look like ass.

Forget about the looks (or even about the mostly throwaway "plot") -- how does the game actually play!?

EDIT: Actually I want to elaborate. I played it on PC and the game actually looked decent. Yes, there were a couple of levels (mostly the Jeanne boss fights) were the camera design did not help at all (so it's not so much that the level design itself is bad, is that the camera doesn't help, but again, it's only the Jeanne boss fight levels.)

But beyond these flaws, Bayonetta is a straight up masterpiece. Which I why I always use the term "flawed masterpiece" to describe the game, something I borrowed from a movie review I once read.

Jeanne is the git gud character for sure. It's super difficult to Pure Platinum with her in Hard Mode.

This is how much I loved the game (pictures are my own).

Bayo:

Jeanne:

 

[kiphalfton]

Forget about the looks (or even about the mostly throwaway "plot") -- how does the game actually play!?

EDIT: Actually I want to elaborate. I played it on PC and the game actually looked decent. Yes, there were a couple of levels (mostly the Jeanne boss fights) were the camera design did not help at all (so it's not so much that the level design itself is bad, is that the camera doesn't help, but again, it's only the Jeanne boss fight levels.)

But beyond these flaws, Bayonetta is a straight up masterpiece. Which I why I always use the term "flawed masterpiece" to describe the game, something I borrowed from a movie review I once read.



This is how much I loved the game (pictures are my own).

Bayo:

Jeanne:

Not the worst thing in the world. Haven't played it, but sounds like DMC 5 had crap level design too. Same for Kingdom Hearts III. Guess as long as the gameplay si good it's not that big of a deal.

 

[Labolas]

Forget about the looks (or even about the mostly throwaway "plot") -- how does the game actually play!?

EDIT: Actually I want to elaborate. I played it on PC and the game actually looked decent. Yes, there were a couple of levels (mostly the Jeanne boss fights) were the camera design did not help at all (so it's not so much that the level design itself is bad, is that the camera doesn't help, but again, it's only the Jeanne boss fight levels.)

But beyond these flaws, Bayonetta is a straight up masterpiece. Which I why I always use the term "flawed masterpiece" to describe the game, something I borrowed from a movie review I once read.



This is how much I loved the game (pictures are my own).

Bayo:

Jeanne:

Yeah, sweet. I have the same thing on my Switch, didn't finish Jeanne though. My original run on 360, I only had PP'd NSIC. Currently doing the same for PC.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Yeah, sweet. I have the same thing on my Switch, didn't finish Jeanne though. My original run on 360, I only had PP'd NSIC. Currently doing the same for PC.

Nicely done! A man after my own heart. Hell yeah!

 

[ssringo]

Hack n Slash is too wide a net really. Dragon's Dogma and Monster Hunter is a bit different than DMC.

Absolutely love both but Capcom > Platinum for pretty much everything except Bayonetta > DMC

Though to be fair, in retrospect, I really hate the camera of DMC until (ugh) DmC and 5. The need to reorient your controls on camera change drives me up the wall.