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[RedAssedApe]

I get the same feeling with Cerny that I do when Carmack does these talks. Their background and just the way they speak makes you want to trust them.

Like a siren luring men from their ships. Mesmerized

Move > Kinect CONFIRMED.

 

[sunnz]

It's just an impression but even though he said that both platforms are very close. He's favouring the PS4 because of the development tool set.

Did he say that?

I know SONY have improved the dev tools for the ps4 A LOT, but MS are pretty much as good as you can get in that category so for that to be the case is pretty impressive.

 

[cyberheater]

I don't understand how they have essentially the same raw power, when Xbox One and PS4 have the same CPU, PS4 has a significantly better GPU, and PS4 uses much faster RAM.

Is this one of those instances where he is just guessing based on hearing about the architecture.

No. He clearly has both dev kits. He admits that he's not done vigorous benchmarking which from Carmacks point of view is going to be a deep dive but from what he's done on them so far. The performance is very close.

That's more then good enough for me. I'll take his real world experience of the respective dev kits backed up by his amazing background and knowledge over some internet fanboys reading leaked specs and declaring a winner.

 

[Just_myles]

^ This

As far as I'm concerned debate over. Carmack has spoken. Regardless of him benefiting from multi-platform sales I'm pretty positive he knows what the deal is. Its more about the services or lack thereof imo and Msft already showed their hand.

 

[JABEE]

No. He clearly has both dev kits. He admits that he's not done vigorous benchmarking which from Carmacks point of view is going to be a deep dive but from what he's done on them so far. The performance is very close.

That's more then good enough for me. I'll take his real world experience of the respective dev kits backed up by his amazing background and knowledge over some internet fanboys reading leaked specs and declaring a winner.

Yeah. He's also a brilliant programmer who has years of experience on the system. The two systems are relatively close.

 

[cyberheater]

Did he say that?

I know SONY have improved the dev tools for the ps4 A LOT, but MS are pretty much as good as you can get in that category so for that to be the case is pretty impressive.

He said the dev tools are a lot better from Sony coming 'out of the gate' then what they used to be like.

 

[imtehman]

He said the dev tools are a lot better from Sony coming 'out of the gate'.

i think he said the dev tools are better coming out of the gate compared to the ps3

 

[Sub_Level]

I don't care what Carmack says. I want to hear what Cerny has to say.

>: |

 

[cyberheater]

i think he said the dev tools are better coming out of the gate compared to the ps3

Yes. I've kinda just added that.

 

[Tmecha]

Since Carmack is a PC guy from way, way, back, his opinion sense.

From a PC perspective the two systems look similar:
1) Identical CPU's (8 AMD Jaguar cores)
2) 8 GB of RAM
3) Both use AMD GCN graphics achitecture

We know that there are differences:
1) GDDR5 vs. DDR3 + ESRAM
2) 18 CU GPU vs. 12 CU GPU
3) 32 ROP's vs. 16 ROP's

Once Carmack gets a chance to do actual benchmarking, the differences (or lack there of) will be apparent to him.

His opinion on Kinect though, doesn't bode well for Microsoft's long term plan to bring Kinect to PC's.

that didn't take long... Do you seriously think he just went 'yep they look identical' with CPU, GPU and Ram they must be the same. I think he will have a broader knowledge of what they can and cant do even if he hasn't played around with them much.

 

[Replicant]

RAGE is probably still a #mess on either console though. Oh wait, it was shit on PC as well.

 

[CoG]

It's really sad when Sony, a hardware company, has better build tools than Microsoft. Visual Studio was the premiere development tool for years. Microsoft is spending their toolchain budget on Kinect and the NFL it seems.

 

[Portugeezer]

So what does that mean exactly?

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Yup PS4 has a better GPU and better ram but they are still very close. You'll definitely see a difference in exclusives though.

 

[Persona86]

I'm glad people like Carmack exist, seriously.

 

[cyberheater]

Yup PS4 has a better GPU and better ram but they are still very close. You'll definitely see a difference in exclusives though.

I've been saying it for a while now. They are a lot closer in power in reality then a lot of folks on here think they'll be.

I look forward to finding out why that is the case over the next year or so.

 

[imtehman]

Yup PS4 has a better GPU and better ram but they are still very close. You'll definitely see a difference in exclusives though.

how will you see the difference exactly? Unless the game shifted between consoles like Resident Evil 4 did from the gamecube to the ps2 and you can see the clear difference in graphics fidelity, you can't make an apples to oranges comparison between exclusive games.

 

[allan-bh]

What he said about Wii U and Vita?

 

[CoG]

Yup PS4 has a better GPU and better ram but they are still very close. You'll definitely see a difference in exclusives though.

Why only exclusives? You have two of the same base machine and one has a better video card you see a difference.

 

[JudgeB]

MS paid him to say that!!!

 

[Biker19]

He said it in 2005-2006 that the xbox360 was more powerful than the PS3, 8 years later he has been proven right, see multiplatform games

No. Multiplatform games doesn't exactly prove that the 360 was more powerful. The reason why the 360 had mostly better multiplats in the first place is because of the cell processor inside PS3 which made it very difficult for 3rd party developers to program games for.

 

[Senor Kami]

I wish he was on board with Kinect. Kinect 2 + Occulus Rift seem like a match made in heaven.

Go look at PS3 exclusives like Uncharted 2, The Last of Us, & Final Fantasy XIII. Blows away most 360 games graphically (both exclusive & multiplatform).

Final Fantasy is a multiplat and the only graphical difference is that the PS3 version has higher bitrate cutscenes due to more storage space. Real time in-engine stuff (not the cutscenes that are in engine but rendered out as low bitrate video files) is identical.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Quite generous of him but I wouldn't say very close.

 

[Oublieux]

how will you see the difference exactly? Unless the game shifted between consoles like Resident Evil 4 did from the gamecube to the ps2 and you can see the clear difference in graphics fidelity, you can't make an apples to oranges comparison between exclusive games.

I don't think shifting between two consoles is the greatest comparison either. RE4 was designed ground up for GC. Shoehorning that into PS2 architecture would undoubtedly be a mess (and was; they painstakingly ended up programming a lot of workarounds). Building the same game from scratch for both systems' individual strengths--that would be a different story.

 

[JABEE]

I've been saying it for a while now. They are a lot closer in power in reality then a lot of folks on here think they'll be.

I look forward to finding out why that is the case over the next year or so.

I'm waiting to find out what makes up the difference. On the surface, it appears like there will be a noticeable difference. In most cases using a better GPU and faster RAM would not be considered insignificant, especially when the two consoles are using similar architectures.

 

[imtehman]

No. Multiplatform games doesn't exactly prove that the 360 was more powerful. The reason why the 360 had mostly better multiplats in the first place is because of the cell processor inside PS3 which made it very difficult for 3rd party developers to program games for.

Does not compute, 360 multiplatform games look better than its ps3 counterpart, but that's because the ps3 is more powerful system.

 

[EagleEyes]

i definitely trust a man with his integrity and one that actually has the hardware in his possession then the random so called experts on the internets. Boasts very well for the future of both consoles. I'm definitely getting both but it seems the X1 will be getting more of my attention at least at launch due to the games, multitasking abilities and of course Xbox Live.

 

[Becky]

Quite generous of him but I wouldn't say very close.

I think I will go with Carmack over you thanks.

 

[Biker19]

Does not compute, 360 multiplatform games look better than its ps3 counterpart, but that's because the ps3 is more powerful system.

Go look at PS3 exclusives like Uncharted 2, The Last of Us, & Final Fantasy XIII. Blows away most 360 games graphically (both exclusive & multiplatform).

 

[Curufinwe]

He said it in 2005-2006 that the xbox360 was more powerful thatn the ps3, 8 years later he has been proven right, see multiplatform games

360 was more powerful in some ways, less powerful in others. There are plenty of multiplatform games that look better on the PS3, as well as the obvious exclusives.

 

[Satchel]

He'd know.

Man is basically a certified genius.

 

[Oublieux]

Does not compute, 360 multiplatform games look better than its ps3 counterpart, but that's because the ps3 is more powerful system.

No... multiplatform games on the 360 typically performed better than its PS3 counterpart because the 360 was simpler to develop for; it was closer to a PC environment. The PS3's cell, on the other hand, not exactly programming friendly unless you dig deep into it. Sony was notorious for developing systems that were too complex programming-wise. It's why they stepped into x86 for the next generation.

 

[Arklite]

He's likely right, but on the net people go nuts over a 3 frame per second advantage, or slightly less screen tearing, or which had slightly better AA when compared side by side under digital magnifying glass. Carmack's 'very close' could be the internet's 'gulf'.

 

[cyberheater]

MS paid him to say that!!!

Fuck off with shit like that.

 

[Chobel]

Fuck off with shit like that.

It's obviously sarcasm, chill out.

 

[CoG]

Carmack's main beef with the PS3 was the split memory architecture in particular he kept running out of memory on the PS3 developing Rage. 360 has better looking 3rd party titles because it's easier to develop for, which is a principle design tenant on the PS4.

 

[Takuya]

As the article states, he hasn't done enough benchmarking to be able to give a real answer. He's just saying that for PR.

 

[cyberheater]

Quite generous of him but I wouldn't say very close.

So you have devkit for both systems. And are currently working on a multiplatform title for both machines and can say the he's wrong can you?

 

[RedAssedApe]

Fuck off with shit like that.

but PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 XBOX PS4 PS4

 

[FullMetalx117]

This is an XB1 hater's worst nightmare.

 

[Biker19]

As the article states, he hasn't done enough benchmarking to be able to give a real answer. He's just saying that for PR.

This. Sadly people will ignore it.

 

[cyberheater]

It's obviously sarcasm, chill out.

Doesn't look like sarcasm to me and I'm not the chilling type. You'll learn that in time.

 

[Fezan]

what did he say about vita ?

 

[Odrion]

They're "very close" to him in the same way all ants look the same to us.

 

[cammy2]

He is clearly lying and being paid off by Microsoft.

 

[Becky]

As the article states, he hasn't done enough benchmarking to be able to give a real answer. He's just saying that for PR.

Do you think he is wrong? Do you think multi platform games will not be close?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

So you have devkit for both systems. And are currently working on a multiplatform title for both machines and can say the he's wrong can you?

I have specs. More than that, I will not share. Most of the stuff we know.

I find it amusing that he is making this call when the system aren't even out.

I stick to my words.

The article sheds some light on his pre-emptiveness.

 

[USC-fan]

He is clearly lying and being paid off by Microsoft.

why?

 

[Takuya]

He is clearly lying and being paid off by Microsoft.

His answer is just PR, he hasn't done enough benchmarking to give a straight-up answer on the difference in power, as the article clearly states.

Do you think he is wrong? Do you think multi platform games will not be close?

Wrong in? He gave a PR answer, it's not a real comparison of power. Multiplatform games will be "close" at launch, but the difference will widen starting from year 2.

 

[cammy2]

why?

/sarcasm